VN Ren'Py Summer's Gone [S1 Steam + DLC] [Oceanlab]

[BobTheDuck]

In addition to your post, I would just like to give an example of how both games are linked:

Katie in WIAB
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Katie in Summer's Gone
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Of course, playing WiaB means more Katie than in SG, so I can only see positive reasons for playing both

I was just mentioning that if someone didn't like WiaB (which would make Katie sad, so just like it anyway), SG would work even if you didn't know how awesome Katie is. You'd still work out she's awesome from the first SG screen she appears on, without knowing what happens before

 

[Mr. Harper]

We can be almost certain it's a scar because of the way Nami asks where Sasha got it (assuming the scar because of the images and the way Nami worries it is a sensitive topic) and when Ayua touches the scar and says "I know you don't" hinting she knows how Sasha got the scar.

He had better ones in the old Wiab, when Willi was in hospital after being beaten up, and when Katie got scratched by the raccoon.

But maybe they were too generic for what he had in mind for Sasha's story, he customised it early, and now it's kinda like a birthmark even if it's a scar - would we think of her as the same character with a different scar?

Nika's fight scar looks odd, but more believable, and was developed at a similar time, so I'm just going to assume Ocean wanted it to look a certain way. In some angles, it looks like it's meant to have stitches, suggesting it is recent (which might be why she has Inessa as a bodyguard):

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Hi, can you share the image without text?

 

[BobTheDuck]

Hi, can you share the image without text?

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[Doomyk]

By the way, I was thinking that theoretically we could see Marla in the past (Wiab)

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[rudy007]

By the way, I was thinking that theoretically we could see Marla in the past (Wiab)

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And not only her; Nojiko and Amber are there too... It's difficult to say how big is the time gap between WIAB and SG, but Amber is a late teen probably in WIAB.

 

[minibaer12]

By the way, I was thinking that theoretically we could see Marla in the past (Wiab)

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Next question: Will we also see Noji in WIAB?
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[minibaer12]

And not only her; Nojiko and Amber are there too... It's difficult to say how big is the time gap between WIAB and SG, but Amber is a late teen probably in WIAB.

well, I would estimate 20 years. Look at Katie's two pictures and judge for yourself.

What makes it even more interesting is the fact that the Katie we know from WIAB has absolutely nothing in common with the Katie from Summer's Gone. What has happened there?

 

[rudy007]

Next question: Will we also see Noji in WIAB?
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I hope we see them in WIAB... I have many unanswered question about Nojiko... If we say that Willy is the father of SG MC (everybody say Nika, but they don't call him so in they game, so I refuse to call him so), how the hell did he end in Nojiko's house? If he was a child without mother (we don't know who is her mother, we know his parents died, but we don't even know if that's true...) they could be in prison, we know only what we see from both stories. Means, his (SG MC) parents are alive in WIAB... Nojiko is probably they friend or something, there is no way he would end up in Nojiko's house otherwise... Especially if he has his roots in Zane family..

 

[Raynare69]

About 20 years apart between WIAB and SG seems about right, based on appearances and offspring ages.

Besides Katie, you can also see how Emilio has aged, as well as Stefan Holgerson.
And Stefan has that 18 year old kid now, Nika's schoolmate Mario.

 

[rudy007]

About 20 years apart between WIAB and SG seems about right, based on appearances and offspring ages.

Besides Katie, you can also see how Emilio has aged, as well as Stefan Holgerson.
And Stefan has that 18 year old kid now, Mario.

Yeah, 20 years could work... So, Amber and Nojiko are about 18-23 years old in WIAB...

 

[Maviarab]

In addition to your post, I would just like to give an example of how both games are linked:

Katie in WIAB
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Katie in Summer's Gone
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well, I would estimate 20 years. Look at Katie's two pictures and judge for yourself.

What makes it even more interesting is the fact that the Katie we know from WIAB has absolutely nothing in common with the Katie from Summer's Gone. What has happened there?

No offence mini, but we are well aware of the connection, the time difference and everything and anything else.

You're preaching to the choir to us old members, especially Bob

 

[minibaer12]

No offence mini, but we are well aware of the connection, the time difference and everything and anything else.

You're preaching to the choir to us old members, especially Bob

Okay, okay, big guy, let's agree on this: Too many questions with too few answers?

 

[Maviarab]

Okay, okay, big guy, let's agree on this: Too many questions with too few answers?

There's always too many questions, that I do agree. Seems all my favourite VN's suffer from the same issue, I must be a masochist or something

 

[minibaer12]

There's always too many questions, that I do agree. Seems all my favourite VN's suffer from the same issue, I must be a masochist or something

I can see we have the same vice...

 

[Don Sucio]

I hope we see them in WIAB... I have many unanswered question about Nojiko... If we say that Willy is the father of SG MC (everybody say Nika, but they don't call him so in they game, so I refuse to call him so), how the hell did he end in Nojiko's house? If he was a child without mother (we don't know who is her mother, we know his parents died, but we don't even know if that's true...) they could be in prison, we know only what we see from both stories. Means, his (SG MC) parents are alive in WIAB... Nojiko is probably they friend or something, there is no way he would end up in Nojiko's house otherwise... Especially if he has his roots in Zane family..

I know i´m going to upset some people here, but i use the incest patch for SG so... For me the only canon story is my path
Nah but being serious now the connection between Wiab and SG is fantastic. Maybe he is working in two games because that, maybe he wants people make theories about the connections between both games.

 

[BobTheDuck]

By the way, I was thinking that theoretically we could see Marla in the past (Wiab)

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And not only her; Nojiko and Amber are there too... It's difficult to say how big is the time gap between WIAB and SG, but Amber is a late teen probably in WIAB.

well, I would estimate 20 years. Look at Katie's two pictures and judge for yourself.

What makes it even more interesting is the fact that the Katie we know from WIAB has absolutely nothing in common with the Katie from Summer's Gone. What has happened there?

Dare I say, where it all began is what happened before (sorry not sorry)

I hope we see them in WIAB... I have many unanswered question about Nojiko... If we say that Willy is the father of SG MC (everybody say Nika, but they don't call him so in they game, so I refuse to call him so), how the hell did he end in Nojiko's house? If he was a child without mother (we don't know who is her mother, we know his parents died, but we don't even know if that's true...) they could be in prison, we know only what we see from both stories. Means, his (SG MC) parents are alive in WIAB... Nojiko is probably they friend or something, there is no way he would end up in Nojiko's house otherwise... Especially if he has his roots in Zane family..

We know the gap in time as Ocean has said it was 20 years. Even if we didn't have Ocean's timeline, or he changed it, we have to have enough time for Ayua to be a Zane baby from inception (no Zane is pregnant in WiaB) to college age. We've established this, and will probably have to keep passing the info down through the thread for people who can't find the dev logs buried between talk about video cards Based on 20 years, Amber is going to get pregnant with Bella soon in Wiab's time.

Regards the presence of characters earlier, it is most likely we'll see them as easter eggs if they're not directly relevant ie Amber might not be there as a part of the plot in WiaB, but she might be there as a side character dancing at Leia's nightclub, or having drinks with friends at the bar etc. Or she might be a later part of the story, where we see her meet Mr Von Halen, who knows?

Something I've been cosnidering about the book club - so many of them are associated with interesting backgrounds. One thought I have is that some of the book clubs members might be ex working girls from Leia's club, and that might include Noji. We don't know anything for certain about what Katie's interest in Nika and Nami is, only that Noji has been going to the same bookclub with Katie and Leia for years as well as working with Scarlet. We might discover her connection to Leia runs deep in WiaB, but it'll be a while before we know anything like that, Ocean won't spoiler SG with WiaB and vice versa. The reason I think this is an interesting avenue for thought is when we saw Emilio in WiaB, suddenly we have all kinds of new potential plots or angles appear, and certain things seem more plausible (still creeped out by Desiree creeping through the college in the background).

Something about Marla - I think if we see her in WiaB, it'll explain why Nika is 'part of her problems'. She might have been a bystander during some of the events, maybe she saw what happened to the Cyrus's.

Finding these things out is impossible though, just like we never expected Emilio in WiaB, even if they appear, Ocean loves misdirection.

 

[John972]

Dare I say, where it all began is what happened before (sorry not sorry)



We know the gap in time as Ocean has said it was 20 years. Even if we didn't have Ocean's timeline, or he changed it, we have to have enough time for Ayua to be a Zane baby from inception (no Zane is pregnant in WiaB) to college age. We've established this, and will probably have to keep passing the info down through the thread for people who can't find the dev logs buried between talk about video cards Based on 20 years, Amber is going to get pregnant with Bella soon in Wiab's time.

Regards the presence of characters earlier, it is most likely we'll see them as easter eggs if they're not directly relevant ie Amber might not be there as a part of the plot in WiaB, but she might be there as a side character dancing at Leia's nightclub, or having drinks with friends at the bar etc. Or she might be a later part of the story, where we see her meet Mr Von Halen, who knows?

Something I've been cosnidering about the book club - so many of them are associated with interesting backgrounds. One thought I have is that some of the book clubs members might be ex working girls from Leia's club, and that might include Noji. We don't know anything for certain about what Katie's interest in Nika and Nami is, only that Noji has been going to the same bookclub with Katie and Leia for years as well as working with Scarlet. We might discover her connection to Leia runs deep in WiaB, but it'll be a while before we know anything like that, Ocean won't spoiler SG with WiaB and vice versa. The reason I think this is an interesting avenue for thought is when we saw Emilio in WiaB, suddenly we have all kinds of new potential plots or angles appear, and certain things seem more plausible (still creeped out by Desiree creeping through the college in the background).

Something about Marla - I think if we see her in WiaB, it'll explain why Nika is 'part of her problems'. She might have been a bystander during some of the events, maybe she saw what happened to the Cyrus's.

Finding these things out is impossible though, just like we never expected Emilio in WiaB, even if they appear, Ocean loves misdirection.

To me, the most interesting revelation with meeting Emilio in WIAB, and him being Leia's right-hand man, is that he has no idea who Nika is when they meet in SG. Why? Is it because Nojiko was so successful so shielding Nika and Nami from the whatever happened in their collective "past?" Did Emilio just not associate Nika with events or people he knows from the past? Is Nika and Nami's past so secret that not even the Zane family right-hand man has knowledge of it? Are Nika and Nami simply not as important to the Zane family story as we all think?

After meeting Nika in SG, Emilio initiated a background check on Nika (because of his concern for Bella) while Nika resolved to ask Emilio to find out what happened to Summer. If Nika and Nami do have a secret past involving the Zane family in some way, then I think future meetings between Nika and Emilio could be among the most interesting sub-plots in SG.

 

[minibaer12]

To me, the most interesting revelation with meeting Emilio in WIAB, and him being Leia's right-hand man, is that he has no idea who Nika is when they meet in SG. Why? Is it because Nojiko was so successful so shielding Nika and Nami from the whatever happened in their collective "past?" Did Emilio just not associate Nika with events or people he knows from the past? Is Nika and Nami's past so secret that not even the Zane family right-hand man has knowledge of it? Are Nika and Nami simply not as important to the Zane family story as we all think?

After meeting Nika in SG, Emilio initiated a background check on Nika (because of his concern for Bella) while Nika resolved to ask Emilio to find out what happened to Summer. If Nika and Nami do have a secret past involving the Zane family in some way, then I think future meetings between Nika and Emilio could be among the most interesting sub-plots in SG.

you have interesting ideas. Very interesting...

But then I have another initial question: Is Emilio still Leia's right-hand man?

btw. He doesn't have the background check specifically arranged, but only purely as a matter of fact

 

[BobTheDuck]

To me, the most interesting revelation with meeting Emilio in WIAB, and him being Leia's right-hand man, is that he has no idea who Nika is when they meet in SG. Why? Is it because Nojiko was so successful so shielding Nika and Nami from the whatever happened in their collective "past?" Did Emilio just not associate Nika with events or people he knows from the past? Is Nika and Nami's past so secret that not even the Zane family right-hand man has knowledge of it? Are Nika and Nami simply not as important to the Zane family story as we all think?

After meeting Nika in SG, Emilio initiated a background check on Nika (because of his concern for Bella) while Nika resolved to ask Emilio to find out what happened to Summer. If Nika and Nami do have a secret past involving the Zane family in some way, then I think future meetings between Nika and Emilio could be among the most interesting sub-plots in SG.

100% agree. But also consider that WiaB Emilio doesn't have tatts and SG Emilio having tatts might mean jail time.

Nika's conception might occur prior to the events that lead to Emilio's time in prison, and the pregnancy might have all happened and the CYrus's car crash done before he gets out. He might be Leia's right hand in WiaB, but that doesn't mean he's the spymaster. He might be the fresh faced apprentice, and he fall from that position leads him to become involved with the gangs (gang tatts instead of prison maybe?) and then develops his information network.

Remember how he says Bella reminds him of someone? The fact that Katie and Leia both go to the book club in recent history, but Emilio is reminiscing might mean he's no longer on the Zane's side, but is an independant now, on the outside.

Regards parentage, I'm leaning to the idea that we will meet Nika's parents, but just like Emilio's appearance in WiaB was unforeseen, the Cyrus's will also be a surprise.

If it's about shielding Nika from the Zane's, Noji is doing a superbly bad job of shielding Nika and Nami. Nika is going to college with a Z, a P and an R. Noji socialises with the Zanes still (the book club), she mentions it to Nika and Nami, but implies it's something recent rather than for years. She's keeping the dynamic completely hidden, but the socialising implies there is no need to isolate them. Katie can bump into Nika whenever she wants, so maybe there is some form of asserting dominance over Noji but doing what she did? Letting Noji know that it's futile to try to stop the ZPR juggernaut? We still don't know their interest in Nika, parentage aside.

I'm reminded of Stefan saying he doesn't know any Cyrus - if he's expanded the family business and runs a newspaper (and is the reporter's boss maybe?) this implies he doesn't know anything newsworthy about the Cyrus's, which implies either what happened was buried, or they were completely normal.

you have interesting ideas. Very interesting...

But then I have another initial question: Is Emilio still Leia's right-hand man?

btw. He doesn't have the background check specifically arranged, but only purely as a matter of fact

For whatever reason, my post didn't post, I had some thoughts about that exact thing.

 

[yossa999]

To me, the most interesting revelation with meeting Emilio in WIAB, and him being Leia's right-hand man, is that he has no idea who Nika is when they meet in SG. Why? Is it because Nojiko was so successful so shielding Nika and Nami from the whatever happened in their collective "past?" Did Emilio just not associate Nika with events or people he knows from the past? Is Nika and Nami's past so secret that not even the Zane family right-hand man has knowledge of it? Are Nika and Nami simply not as important to the Zane family story as we all think?

After meeting Nika in SG, Emilio initiated a background check on Nika (because of his concern for Bella) while Nika resolved to ask Emilio to find out what happened to Summer. If Nika and Nami do have a secret past involving the Zane family in some way, then I think future meetings between Nika and Emilio could be among the most interesting sub-plots in SG.