VN Ren'Py Summer's Gone [S1 Steam + DLC] [Oceanlab]

[AlexFXR]

Obviously, they didn't tell you either, amigo

Whose words have I twisted? Maybe I was lying when I said that Ocean was called a milkman? So on this site they also called him that, like other developers who constantly come up with different excuses. Or maybe I lied about the negative comments? There are plenty of them here too, go to the “reviews” section and see everything for yourself. On this site, people get attacked by ocean's defenders if they think your comment is negative... or is that also not true?

 

[Dessolos]

I want to be that typical guy who always says that the main thing in art is what it tells and not how it looks. But in this particular case, I won't be that guy. The visuals are key here because they create the mood that is so important (at least to me) in this game.

All the cool scenes are mainly so memorable because of how they look and are directed. The same goes for some of the character designs. It's a big part of why I'm so obsessed with Vanessa for example. I mean, once she shows up in chapter 4 I was like "Zara, I have so much to tell you-- HOT DAMN! What a snake, what a magnificent witch. Allow me to introduce myself." I can't imagine the same reaction if not the rework (saw her old render with Bella). Same goes for Leia in WiAB probably, no idea how she looked before.

The visuals in SG are too crucial. It's not just about the quality of the renders and models and emotions they show, but also the style. That's like saying Refn's style doesn't play a significant role in the Drive. Or the Watchmen movie adaptation would have been just as good without Snyder.

oh for sure this game is the exception to the rule where high quality visuals actually matter. For example the Bella cinematics tell a subtle story , which is why I like Bella so much right now. Hell i've seen some other games where the dev is fantastic at showing facial expressions where that shows so much story. Granted alot of that is up to our own personal interpretation as well, but player interpretation is an important aspect to the storytelling / characters in AVN's imo. That interpretation i was talking about, is also part of Ocean's high quality visuals. For example I dont see Vanessa the same way as you do, I see her as some stuck up rich girl that I want to get as far away as possible the first time I saw her on the screen , as she just screams bad news.

 

[N1ghtcrawler]

oh for sure this game is the exception to the rule where high quality visuals actually matter. For example the Bella cinematics tell a subtle story , which is why I like Bella so much right now. Hell i've seen some other games where the dev is fantastic at showing facial expressions where that shows so much story. Granted alot of that is up to our own personal interpretation as well, but player interpretation is an important aspect to the storytelling / characters in AVN's imo. That interpretation i was talking about, is also part of Ocean's high quality visuals. For example I dont see Vanessa the same way as you do, I see her as some stuck up rich girl that I want to get as far away as possible the first time I saw her on the screen , as she just screams bad news.

I expressed myself too vaguely. The stuck-up rich girl is more about her old model, but it's the new model that keeps this dangerous vibe around her. The point was that her old model didn't fit her image that Ocean was intentionally creating in Chapter 4. The other example is Nami. I don't like her old model, she looked very typical for AVN. But from her new model I can see that she kinda hasn't grown up and likes to fool around. Bella's pretty much didn't change. In both cases you can tell by the look of her that she's a troublemaker.

 

[Emogir]

Okay wait, when it says "no sex", does it mean like *at all* or just no vaginal/anal penetration? 9 gigs for a game that doesn't have a single sex scene, even when it is apparently planned, seems insane to me

 

[Dessolos]

Okay wait, when it says "no sex", does it mean like *at all* or just no vaginal/anal penetration? 9 gigs for a game that doesn't have a single sex scene, even when it is apparently planned, seems insane to me

it's called slow burn not every game needs sex right away, which is my preference tbh as I like to get to know the characters first. But Season 2 will have sex.

 

[Emogir]

it's called slow burn not every game needs sex right away, which is my preference tbh as I like to get to know the characters first. But Season 2 will have sex.

Sure, that's why I'm asking. I'm okay with waiting for the actual sex, but at some point it stops being just a slow burn if there is literally nothing

 

[Krytax123]

Sure, that's why I'm asking. I'm okay with waiting for the actual sex, but at some point it stops being just a slow burn if there is literally nothing

If you want lewds my guess is you have to wait for about 1,5-2 years, maaaaaybe something like a handjob a bit earlier, but so far Nika doesnt even want to get a boner out of guilty conscience or something close to it.

If its very important for you i would just wait until you play this, if no you should play it.

 

[Emogir]

If you want lewds my guess is you have to wait for about 1,5-2 years, maaaaaybe something like a handjob a bit earlier, but so far Nika doesnt even want to get a boner out of guilty conscience or something close to it.

If its very important for you i would just wait until you play this, if no you should play it.

Ah okay, thanks for the answer

 

[Dessolos]

Sure, that's why I'm asking. I'm okay with waiting for the actual sex, but at some point it stops being just a slow burn if there is literally nothing

depends on your point of view, as long as there is romance and character building especially if there is a trauma or story reason behind a slow burn it never really stops being slow burn to me honestly. As I don't need sex as a reward for the slow burn or to enjoy these games. To me the reward of a slow burn is getting to know the characters and having alot of wholesome and romantic moments.

 

[John972]

the attack on a person with a different opinion is at a all time high on this website, these fans of these developers are something else they will come after you with all the hate in the world if you think ill of their beloved developer, they can't do no wrong in the fans eyes. they say they are working with passion on the game and working hard but we don't see it with how much they put out. i think i see a trend with developers in the beginning they are at full effect proving themselves and gaining a following, but after gaining a following and a couple thousand a month the full effect dies down and they get comfortable. and the fans love these developers so much and their game they are ok with whatever the deveolpers put out even if it's every 6 months to a year. and if you think it's wrong and talk ill of this you are hated, told you are stupid, and that you sould shut up about it and keep your thoughts and opinions to yourself. because this is not a place for peoples opinions at all about AVNs even though it's a forum.

You are welcome for your opinions/point-of-view, but be prepared to back them up and don't lie or make unsubstantiated accusations.

More importantly, don't "cry" if some of your opinions get called out for being unsubstantiated.

i think i see a trend with developers in the beginning they are at full effect proving themselves and gaining a following, but after gaining a following and a couple thousand a month the full effect dies down and they get comfortable.

Prove it!!!!!! That's such a wide and sweeping accusation against so many that I know you can't prove it. Even if you could substantiate it against one developer, that doesn't mean such a judgement then automatically applies to other developers.

The development cycle of AVNs with complex story arcs and above average visuals has increased over the last several years, that part is true. Opining that it is because they are all milkers who have got "comfortable" is pure fantasy. You see an effect but don't understand enough about the causes.

Go to this thread:

https://f95zone.to/threads/sg-off-topic-discussion.112868/post-7853430

Look at the SG Table in the opening post, which examines the development cycle of SG.

Now, please explain to me how the data in this table corresponds with your statement, "with developers in the beginning they are at full effect proving themselves and gaining a following, but after gaining a following and a couple thousand a month the full effect dies down and they get comfortable."

SG has had a longer-than-average development cycle from the beginning. Ocean didn't get "comfortable."

 

[yossa999]

You are welcome for your opinions/point-of-view, but be prepared to back them up and don't lie or make unsubstantiated accusations.

More importantly, don't "cry" if some of your opinions get called out for being unsubstantiated.




Prove it!!!!!! That's such a wide and sweeping accusation against so many that I know you can't prove it. Even if you could substantiate it against one developer, that doesn't mean such a judgement then automatically applies to other developers.

The development cycle of AVNs with complex story arcs and above average visuals has increased over the last several years, that part is true. Opining that it is because they are all milkers who have got "comfortable" is pure fantasy. See see an effect but don't understand enough about the cause.

Go to this thread:

https://f95zone.to/threads/sg-off-topic-discussion.112868/post-7853430

Look at the SG Table in the opening post, which examines the development cycle of SG.

Now, please explain to me how the data in this table corresponds with your statement, "with developers in the beginning they are at full effect proving themselves and gaining a following, but after gaining a following and a couple thousand a month the full effect dies down and they get comfortable."

SG has had a longer-than-average development cycle from the beginning. Ocean didn't get "comfortable."

As soon as I see someone start playing the milker card, it's a big fat hint that this is... let's call it an account that for some reason has not yet been put on ignore.

 

[John972]

It all kinda depends imo and in the end its just the devs decision.

Would i be satisfied too if the quality would be a bit worse (like for example BaDIK) in exchange for more progression? Yes im sure i would have, maybe i would have prefered it, maybe not, i really cant tell.

A school hallway render with atmospheric lighting and lots of npcs like the new reworked renders looks amazing but i would have been satisfied with the not-reworked stuff too if it would have meant a faster development.

BUT this is Oceans style and his most exceptional ability, creating really amazing renders and atmosphere and its his vision for the avn.

I think a dev with a vision and being passionate to make it come true is way more productive in the long run compared to someone who always does what may be would the best buisness decision or compromises his own work/idea to appeal or to appease to some groups.

He wants to create something different and unique in his own style and im all for it and im convinced it leads to a better outcome and the dev stays motivated and has fun working which produces a better product in the end.

I agree with your sentiments.

One of the things I like about F95 is the game variety. If you look at the games mentioned in my signature, for example, there is some variety in style and content. Of course, there are many more games with even wider differences in style and content.

BaDIK is BaDIK and SG/WIAB are SG/WIAB and that's exactly what I like about them. I am happy that SG/WIAB now have a unique style of their own since the reworks. If SG continued under Regium and the original WIAB continued unabated past Ch 6, that would have ticked a lot of boxes for a lot of people. However, in terms of visuals and narrative, I think those AVNs would simply be the same as hundreds of other AVNs here and lost in the crowd.

 

[BobTheDuck]

As soon as I see someone start playing the milker card, it's a big fat hint that this is... let's call it an account that for some reason has not yet been put on ignore.

In essence I agree. The minute a pirate mentions milking, they have chosen a lazy excuse to pile on the dev. Pirates who aren't paying (by definition) CAN'T be milked. The rationale is simply they can't think on how to attack the dev who has done nothing objectively wrong they can specifically call out. I've never yet seen anyone explain how Ocean is delivering more renders in the same or shorter times for updates and HOW that is milking. Delivering a bigger update deliving more than average, delivering more than the industry average, all of this is called overachieving.

What most of the milker comments are is "Waaaah, I want my copium milk, damn you dev for blueballing me."

Patience is how we get good things. Especially here where there are super nice people who upload our copium in zip file formats.

 

[arone tajhiri]

did some fan signatures:
let me know if you want some other character as well.

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great

 

[Krytax123]

I agree with your sentiments.

One of the things I like about F95 is the game variety. If you look at the games mentioned in my signature, for example, there is some variety in style and content. Of course, there are many more games with even wider differences in style and content.

BaDIK is BaDIK and SG/WIAB are SG/WIAB and that's exactly what I like about them. I am happy that SG/WIAB now have a unique style of their own since the reworks. If SG continued under Regium and the original WIAB continued unabated past Ch 6, that would have ticked a lot of boxes for a lot of people. However, in terms of visuals and narrative, I think those AVNs would simply be the same as hundreds of other AVNs here and lost in the crowd.

Couldn’t agree more

My top 5 AVNs are all entirely different from each other on a fundamental level and even the render engine lmao (2 DAZ, 1 HS, 1 Koi, 1 drawn).

There isn’t a single formula how to create the „perfect avn“, there are unlimited possibility’s and ways to create a good avn.

At this point I’m glad that he did the reworks for both avns to have a base super high quality but im not gonna lie, im happy he has a rework-burnout and is done with that for the foreseeable future

 

[Ottoeight]

hope someone makes a de-crapified patch for this game. Restore adult scenes, incest, rewrite the mc lines so he doesnt sound like a pathetic emo

Just have a look at the OP, buddy.

 

[Tremonia]

Just have a look at the OP, buddy.

You do realize that he's talking about a version of the game that doesn't even exist yet and perhaps never will? How is he supposed to find anything about it in the OP?

 

[BobTheDuck]

You do realize that he's talking about a version of the game that doesn't even exist yet and perhaps never will? How is he supposed to find anything about it in the OP?

I think Otto's referring to the decensored mod for 5 beta, but yeah, chances are it might be too much effort to restore the first season considering the amount of new content vs continuity with old content. Some of it won't make sense and will break the game because of new variables etc.

 

[Tremonia]

I think Otto's referring to the decensored mod for 5 beta,

I know what he reffered to. It's just not what that dude he answered to demanded. This guy was whining about an imaginary version because of selfimagined compromises between Ocean and Valve.

 

[BobTheDuck]

I know what he reffered to. It's just not what that dude he answered to demanded. This guy was whining about an imaginary version because of selfimagined compromises between Ocean and Valve.

Agreed, but it is the correct response in a way - the mod is for the beta script, while the script to 5 full has no place for the restored scenes. A 'decrappified' mod is really a poster saying they don't like the direction of development and they should just look for a new game. But I don't know if that poster likes anything other than Ciri....