BobTheDuck

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i agree who really is to blame or is anyone at all to blame.are we to blame for downloading a AVN for free .is the patreons that upload the game on this website to blame, or are the devs that allow their game to be uploaded and downloaded on this website to blame. at the end of the day we all get something out of it so who really cares. as long as everyone is happy. when you point one finger at a person you have 3 pointing back at you as they say. so yeah you are right. (y)
All good, I mean here we are after all :) I'm going to buy on steam, gog and epic, because I'm okay with that but I'll never sub to someone. Life's too uncertain, and I don't have huge disposable income.

Regards the versions, the steam version is rate 16+ for a reason, not just because Nika punches Sai, or there's guns. Steam has plenty of games with guns with no age restrictions, or punching games. So it's the naughty words and uncovered skin that are driving it there. I'm guessing having a slightly different build for the patreons helps offset that Ocean will release it to them later so not to hurt sales on Steam.

I don't think he intends anyone tob buy or sub everywhere, he's just letting people find ways they get into the game.
 

N1ghtcrawler

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a job you get payed if you work these devs are getting payed rather they work or not devs go sometimes 6 months to a year without a single update and they are supported the entire time you can't do that on a normal job and people that support them are so faithful and loyal to these devs i almost feel sorry for them that i can only imagine these devs laughing at them because no matter what these devs do or don't what promises they keep or not they will always get support from their fans, it's kinda sad to see but hey it's their money to throw away not mine.
Games don't serve to satisfy basic needs. If people consistently pay a developer for a year without getting updates, then they can afford it. Otherwise they're sitting here whining about why there are no updates. If they're mad about Ocean's decisions but still keep paying him, then they are idiots. No need to feel sorry. They are old enough to be responsible for their money.
 

John972

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well the double payment is the steam version with no lewd content and then the patreon version with lewd content so thats what most people will do buy both or buy one rather you want to see boobs and asses or not. thats the scam having two versions vs one, it's kinda like teasing players with the steam version just to get them to sub for patreon and SS to get the lewd version. you get double payment if not money in the long run if they keep their sub on patreon and SS.
The Steam version will bring in new players, the majority of whom will have no idea about Patreon or a very slightly different version of the game.

Meanwhile, people on Patreon, SS, et al know the score because Ocean is being transparent. What Patreons then choose to do ("single payment" / "double payment") is more about their own impulse control than any imagined devious, cunning plan by Ocean.

However, let's be realistic... considering where we are. The vast majority of people in this particular community will download the game for free.

FOR TRANSPARENCY: I will purchase the game on Steam and then likely download the Patreon version (from here) for free.
 
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All good, I mean here we are after all :) I'm going to buy on steam, gog and epic, because I'm okay with that but I'll never sub to someone. Life's too uncertain, and I don't have huge disposable income.

Regards the versions, the steam version is rate 16+ for a reason, not just because Nika punches Sai, or there's guns. Steam has plenty of games with guns with no age restrictions, or punching games. So it's the naughty words and uncovered skin that are driving it there. I'm guessing having a slightly different build for the patreons helps offset that Ocean will release it to them later so not to hurt sales on Steam.

I don't think he intends anyone tob buy or sub everywhere, he's just letting people find ways they get into the game.
right i mean i totally understand the whole certain countries don't allow porn or nudes in their county on steam or whatever platforms that he will sell on and that ocean is trying to get more eyes on summers gone to fund his project, that i understand clearly. it's just some devs have all kinds of kinks and such in their games on steam and are selling just fine but maybe they are only selling in the USA not other countries who knows.
 
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They are old enough to be responsible for their money.
Yeah, but how about kids though? the blinded, the sheep, the simps and the list goes on.

Sure, we can manage to help maybe, a few or so see the light, see the truth (if they are getting played, milked, used etc) The rest though, they choose to stay blinded by their eye candy that nothing else matters but their eye candy. Like a drug addict just awaiting their next hit.

It's hard. I try to help but get bashed or attacked for it. But if you're trying to help kids and explain things to them to help make them see, they don't want to hear it and you are just hated, because nothing else matters but their love/eye candy/game etc
 
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right i mean i totally understand the whole certain countries don't allow porn or nudes in their county on steam or whatever platforms that he will sell on and that ocean is trying to get more eyes on summers gone to fund his project, that i understand clearly. it's just some devs have all kinds of kinks and such in their games on steam and are selling just fine but maybe they are only selling in the USA not other countries who knows.
Some devs are fine with the closed market of AVN's so they just lean into the fetishes, holding votes, making a game for the fetishes. Ocean want to tell a story, not buy stocks in a tissue company and become a render farm for lewd scenes. So it's a challenge. I'm hoping for success so he can start progressing the second season. Lewds are just a bonus to me, the main event is the story.

I mean as far as business skills go, most devs have to be a quick study or fail, and there's no beaten path to follow. They literally make their own path.
 

Massagecook01

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Yeah, but how about kids though? the blinded, the sheep, the simps and the list goes on.

Sure, we can manage to help maybe, a few or so see the light, see the truth (if they are getting played, milked, used etc) The rest though, they choose to stay blinded by their eye candy that nothing else matters but their eye candy. Like a drug addict just awaiting their next hit.

It's hard. I try to help but get bashed or attacked for it. But if you're trying to help kids and explain things to them to help make them see, they don't want to hear it and you are just hated, because nothing else matters but their love/eye candy/game etc
i for one my taste have changed over the last couple of years, i just like the next guy love eye candy or lewd content but i now love more story building/ relationship building in these AVNs, i get emotional in some of them i start to care about the characters, so maybe the eye candy group of players that support these devs and get played by them will be less so in the coming years just maybe.
 

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There is a limit actually yes...never hit it myself but I know from others it exists.
There's a limit of 1000 threads you can ignore. They've put that there to keep the database from freaking out. But threads and people are independent, so you can probably ignore 1000 people if you like, and still have ignores left over for handholding games.

So many handholding scenes in SG. Who said it's not lewd? :coffee::whistle:
 

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So tell me more about ethics then?

I mean, if we're discussing the ethics of money on a pirate forum....
If patreons go away, what are you going to talk about here? Money is the result of the financial success of the game, which shows whether the game will continue to grow or whether it will soon close. If you are not interested in the fate of the game, why are you discussing it?
 

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Yeah, but how about kids though? the blinded, the sheep, the simps and the list goes on.

Sure, we can manage to help maybe, a few or so see the light, see the truth (if they are getting played, milked, used etc) The rest though, they choose to stay blinded by their eye candy that nothing else matters but their eye candy. Like a drug addict just awaiting their next hit.
You opened my Eyes, amigo. For now, I will no longer post any future updates ! Yes, you're on your own, cabrons !

https://f95zone.to/threads/summers-gone-ch-5-beta-oceanlab.29981/post-12044899

https://f95zone.to/threads/where-it-all-began-ch-3-full-oceanlab.19856/post-12521422

What the hell was I thinking ? :oops: Waisting hard earned money like that ! I didn't even realize that OceanLab abused me. As a former hight tier patreon I didn't even realise that I was mad but now that AlexFXR is for speaking for me and the pledges, I'm filled with so much rage and anger :mad:

OceanLab is a Milkman and other uncultured words that I've never used before but that AlexFXR knew I wanna use ! There I said it :mad:

Now, I'm gonna use my money in more productive and responsible ways. Like hookers, casino and action figures of Mass effect characters.
 

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There's a limit of 1000 threads you can ignore. They've put that there to keep the database from freaking out. But threads and people are independent, so you can probably ignore 1000 people if you like, and still have ignores left over for handholding games.

So many handholding scenes in SG. Who said it's not lewd? :coffee::whistle:
i for one think it's a bit kinda immature to ignore or block someone for just making a statement, i mean can these people ever have a debate or conversation with someone in real life that they don't just go ape shit because that person said something that they don't agree with. i can imagine these kind of people don't have a social life or any kind of realtionships with various people because not everyone will always agree with you in real life and you can't just ignore people in real life you wount have no friends and friends that love you will tell you the truth but these people are not looking for truth thats why they ignore and block. has anyone ever heard the word snowflake before ?
 
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