VN Ren'Py Summer's Gone [S1 Steam + DLC] [Oceanlab]

[Massagecook01]

A...scam? Would you not want to take advantage of every avenue available for monetary gains on your hard work? Patreon is there for people to support him as he develops the game. Steam is there for people who want to wait for seasons to finish to make a 1 time payment to buy the game. I don't see that as a scam at all.

when all you care about is money money money and not integrity or ethics you go down a path that will catch up with you sooner or later and then your left with no bag or respect. many devs have made this mistake making promises they never intended to keep just digging themselves a bigger hole. yes patreon and SS are there for support the development but when promises are made and you don't keep them trust is broken how many times are you going to keep forgiving before you say fuck it if he doesn't care so i don't either. but then again i take people keeping their word serious so many people don't.

 

[Niuul]

when all you care about is money money money and not integrity or ethics you go down a path that will catch up with you sooner or later and then your left with no bag or respect. many devs have made this mistake making promises they never intended to keep just digging themselves a bigger hole. yes patreon and SS are there for support the development but when promises are made and you don't keep them trust is broken how many times are you going to keep forgiving before you say fuck it if he doesn't care so i don't either. but then again i take people keeping their word serious so many people don't.

May I ask what you're talking about? What promises? Am I missing context here?

The dev just wants to make money off their hard work. They make SG and WiAB as their full time job I can only assume. Why would you not maximize your profit margin so you can continue to have a bigger budget for said AVNs? Assets and Licensed music don't come cheap. Nor does keeping a roof over your head and food on the table while you work on said AVNs.

I for one wouldn't work 4 hours of overtime at work, but then tell my foremen "nah man, im not about money money money. just give me my normal pay"

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

This time, Ocean overdid it with his promises and raised a gigantic wave of hate against himself. His patreons, who donated money for the development of SG, are simply furious.

Are you have some proofs of massive patrons fury? Can you show us some examples?

They say that they sponsored SG and thanks to them this game exists, but instead of gratitude, Ocean does not want to put it on Patreon, but he puts it on Steam and wants to get more money from them.

WHERE do they say this? Again, show some examples.

I'm afraid that Ocean may lose a lot of his patreons with his stupid act. He should have put the game on Patreon a long time ago and calmed the conflict, rather than stirring it up.

This is wrong. Release of the game on Steam doesn't in any way reduce income from Patreon and doesn't cause dissatisfaction with a massive outflow of users. On the contrary, Steam is full of AVNs and you can check it yourself - I can’t name the list of other games because it’s against the rules of the topic, but you can see that the top Patreon AVNs are on Steam or planned for release.
Release on Steam can increase the target audience and give a new influx of subscribers, because Steam is one of the sources for self-promotion of indie projects.

 

[Massagecook01]

May I ask what you're talking about? What promises? Am I missing context here?

The dev just wants to make money off their hard work. They make SG and WiAB as their full time job I can only assume. Why would you not maximize your profit margin so you can continue to have a bigger budget for said AVNs? Assets and Licensed music don't come cheap. Nor does keeping a roof over your head and food on the table while you work on said AVNs.

I for one wouldn't work 4 hours of overtime at work, but then tell my foremen "nah man, im not about money money money. just give me my normal pay"

a job you get payed if you work these devs are getting payed rather they work or not devs go sometimes 6 months to a year without a single update and they are supported the entire time you can't do that on a normal job and people that support them are so faithful and loyal to these devs i almost feel sorry for them that i can only imagine these devs laughing at them because no matter what these devs do or don't what promises they keep or not they will always get support from their fans, it's kinda sad to see but hey it's their money to throw away not mine.

 

[Don Sucio]

Patreon is there for people to support him as he develops the game. Steam is there for people who want to wait for seasons to finish to make a 1 time payment to buy the game.

Ummm actually people can become a patreon and get the game there,and then cancel the subcription.

 

[Massagecook01]

Ummm actually people can become a patreon and get the game there,and then cancel the subcription.
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i've done that plenty of times give a single 5 or 10 dollars payment , then download the game then cancel the subcription, just to try the game but since i've found this website that hasn't happen in a long time, hehe.

 

[John972]

he is looking for double payment one from steam and one from patreon/SS, it's kinda a scam TBH but hey it's not my money but yalls so more power to you i hope you get your moneys worth kinda. it's kinda like a steve harvey thing chasing the bag not integrity.

Double payment? I call absolute BS on that statement.

Why? You assume people are somehow forced to purchase multiple copies of SG from different platforms ("double payment"). That's like claiming your grocery purchasing is a scam because food is sold in more than one supermarket.

From what I gather, Ocean will make a more risque version of the season available on Patreon. People should be thanking him for that, NOT calling him a scammer. What do you want? Only the Steam version available on Patreon as well?

 

[Niuul]

a job you get payed if you work these devs are getting payed rather they work or not devs go sometimes 6 months to a year without a single update

You do understand that renders of high quality, to the degree of Oceans anyways, take hours to finish right? These aren't 1 model assets with nothing in the background and SNES levels of lighting. That also doesn't include script writing, animations, coding and bug testing. Then you get in to having to buy bigger and better rigs to cut down on render times or hiring other people to work on the game as well which, surprise, costs money since you're now paying a staff.

So yeah, a typical update cycle for a AVN/VN like this is 6-8 months, or sometimes longer if something happens. It is what it is unless you're going to have 6 rigs rendering at the same time but that opens a whole new host of issues/costs.

I can concede that some devs take a long time for little to show for it after a 6 month update cycle. But then again, they most likely don't do it full time nor to the same quality.

Ummm actually people can become a patreon and get the game there,and then cancel the subscription.

True. But some people are super picky about having games on their steam account. I was like that at one point. A game was cheaper on EGS, but I wanted all my stuff on my steam account so I would buy it there instead.

 

[Massagecook01]

Double payment? I call absolute BS on that statement.

Why? You assume people are somehow forced to purchase multiple copies of SG from different platforms ("double payment"). That's like claiming your grocery purchasing is a scam because food is sold in more than one supermarket.

From what I gather, Ocean will make a more risque version of the season available on Patreon. People should be thanking him for that, NOT calling him a scammer. What do you want? The Steam version available on Patreon as well?

well the double payment is the steam version with no lewd content and then the patreon version with lewd content so thats what most people will do buy both or buy one rather you want to see boobs and asses or not. thats the scam having two versions vs one, it's kinda like teasing players with the steam version just to get them to sub for patreon and SS to get the lewd version. you get double payment if not money in the long run if they keep their sub on patreon and SS.

 

[Niuul]

well the double payment is the steam version with no lewd content and then the patreon version with lewd content so thats what most people will do buy both or buy one rather you want to see boobs and asses or not. thats the scam having two versions vs one, it's kinda like teasing players with the steam version just to get them to sub for patreon and SS to get the lewd version. you get double payment if not money in the long run if they keep their sub on patreon and SS.

Unless I've misunderstood Season 1 won't have lewd content on either version, and the reason was because of Germany and their ToS or w/e with Steam adult content. Season 2+ will have the lewd content on all platforms, even if it's not able to be bought on steam anymore (in Germany) because it's now rated as A/O. It's all about getting more eyes on the game and a steam version does just that.

 

[BobTheDuck]

when all you care about is money money money and not integrity or ethics you go down a path that will catch up with you sooner or later and then your left with no bag or respect. many devs have made this mistake making promises they never intended to keep just digging themselves a bigger hole.

i've done that plenty of times give a single 5 or 10 dollars payment , then download the game then cancel the subcription, just to try the game but since i've found this website that hasn't happen in a long time, hehe.

So tell me more about ethics then?

I mean, if we're discussing the ethics of money on a pirate forum....

People are making too much out of it. Unless you are a patron (as some here are), there's no real case for pointing fingers. We're sponging very unethically, not just off the devs, but off the patrons who pay for the VN's we get here. Most here are leaked by patrons. I can point the finger at myself too. If we're going to talk about ethics in the AVN space, there's a pretty massive elephant called this entire forum.

...and here we all are pointing fingers at devs because they have what we want, how dare they! We're all degenerates here.

 

[Deleted member 6168082]

Unless I've misunderstood Season 1 won't have lewd content on either version

Idk, this bit is just confusing.

Apparently there was a post by Ocean that said something about a "Patreon Version" and that post is now deleted (on discord? you can probably find it by searching it up on here and someone mentioning that, besides me) It could be the version that has the scenes which were removed/edited because of the Steam version (and cause of some music shit)

So, idk. Sounds like two versions (or more) People got the old version downloaded and saved (with the dark path) some others will have the reworked stuff with all the scenes (showing the asses, pussy, boobs whatever the fuck else, old music etc) and then the Steam version, which is the bullshizzes version.

Take your pick

 

[Niuul]

So tell me more about ethics then?

I mean, if we're discussing the ethics of money on a pirate forum....

People are making too much out of it. Unless you are a patron (as some here are), there's no real case for pointing fingers. We're sponging very unethically, not just off the devs, but off the patrons who pay for the VN's we get here. Most here are leaked by patrons. I can point the finger at myself too. If we're going to talk about ethics in the AVN space, there's a pretty massive elephant called this entire forum.

...and here we all are pointing fingers at devs because they have what we want, how dare they! We're all degenerates here.

But yeah. At the end of the day the dev just wants to make money off their hard work. As any one of us would want to for something we put a ton of time in to.

 

[Massagecook01]

Unless I've misunderstood Season 1 won't have lewd content on either version, and the reason was because of Germany and their ToS or w/e with Steam adult content. Season 2+ will have the lewd content on all platforms, even if it's not able to be bought on steam anymore (in Germany) because it's now rated as A/O. It's all about getting more eyes on the game and a steam version does just that.

ok well i might be wrong doesn't matter either way i might buy the steam version just to see what changes have happened since chapter 5 beta but thats about it for me so ocean will get my 10 15 or 20 dollars of steam version hope he enjoys it. like other devs i only support them on steam with every new season or dlc nothing else. and thats only a small few of them right now, that have their games on steam. i learned a long time ago the promises these devs make and don't keep is not worth the trouble. or sould i say giving their word on a certain update will come out. i can't be bothered by that anymore so i pay for something i know i will get in return, not a empty promise.

 

[Niuul]

like other devs i only support them on steam with every new season or dlc nothing else. and thats only a small few of them right now, that have their games on steam.

I know all about waiting for each season/book. lol

 

[Massagecook01]

So tell me more about ethics then?

I mean, if we're discussing the ethics of money on a pirate forum....

People are making too much out of it. Unless you are a patron (as some here are), there's no real case for pointing fingers. We're sponging very unethically, not just off the devs, but off the patrons who pay for the VN's we get here. Most here are leaked by patrons. I can point the finger at myself too. If we're going to talk about ethics in the AVN space, there's a pretty massive elephant called this entire forum.

...and here we all are pointing fingers at devs because they have what we want, how dare they! We're all degenerates here.

i agree who really is to blame or is anyone at all to blame.are we to blame for downloading a AVN for free .is the patreons that upload the game on this website to blame, or are the devs that allow their game to be uploaded and downloaded on this website to blame. at the end of the day we all get something out of it so who really cares. as long as everyone is happy. when you point one finger at a person you have 3 pointing back at you as they say. so yeah you are right.

 

[Don Sucio]

From what I gather, Ocean will make a more risque version of the season available on Patreon. People should be thanking him for that, NOT calling him a scammer. What do you want? Only the Steam version available on Patreon as well?

Please don´t suggest this again, i´m not sure i will be able to live if i don´t see that lake scene without censorhip...

well the double payment is the steam version with no lewd content and then the patreon version with lewd content so thats what most people will do buy both or buy one rather you want to see boobs and asses or not. thats the scam having two versions vs one, it's kinda like teasing players with the steam version just to get them to sub for patreon and SS to get the lewd version. you get double payment if not money in the long run if they keep their sub on patreon and SS.

I see what you are trying to say but i don´t think that is Ocean´s plans, he only wants to release the game first in Steam and try to get more fans/supporters, and of course money, is totally logical.

Idk, this bit is just confusing.

Apparently there was a post by Ocean that said something about a "Patreon Version" and that post is now deleted (on discord? you can probably find it by searching it up on here and someone mentioning that, besides me) It could be the version that has the scenes which were removed/edited because of the Steam version (and cause of some music shit)

So, idk. Sounds like two versions (or more) People got the old version downloaded and saved (with the dark path) some others will have the reworked stuff with all the scenes (showing the asses, pussy, boobs whatever the fuck else, old music etc) and then the Steam version, which is the bullshizzes version.

Take your pick

The Patreon version is supposed to have only the Nami lake scene topless, if i´m not wrong there will be no more differences.

So only two version since the release will matter:
-Patreon version
-Steam and company version

Old versions inluding the rework unfinished and more no matter anymore.

 

[Maviarab]

And yet more idiot whiners appear to be added to the list.

Like a never ending fucking train of them....

 

[BobTheDuck]

Idk, this bit is just confusing.

Apparently there was a post by Ocean that said something about a "Patreon Version" and that post is now deleted (on discord? you can probably find it by searching it up on here and someone mentioning that, besides me) It could be the version that has the scenes which were removed/edited because of the Steam version (and cause of some music shit)

So, idk. Sounds like two versions. People got the old version downloaded and saved, some others will have the reworked stuff with all the scenes (showing the asses, pussy, boobs whatever the fuck else, old music etc) and then the Steam version, which is the bullshizzes version.

Take your pick

Yeah, the patreon version apparently has Nami at the lake the way it currently is. It's not a full restored version will all the things - he's not going to restore the pre-wiggly nami, because those are old renders. I highly doubt anyone really wants Jeff lewds, the only one people might want is the jacuzzi, but that would be playing fire - that wasn't just cut for steam, it was cut to avoid losing music licenses, and keeps things simple on patreon. As far as I can tell, the patreon version isn't with all the original lewd scenes, some are just as gone as Summer.

There are other boob scenes - the lake was probably removed because she get's him slightly chubbier than his normal limp. I mean, it it's 16+, it's not because he punches Sai only. Vanessa will still be nude I'm sure. Steam currently has a video with one of the girls undressing.

The post is apparently in the patreon only channels on discord, which is why I can't see the full thread. So not deleted, but move to the appropriate channel. Mortarion posted a screen grab.

 

[yossa999]

Damn, and I promised myself a week ago to stay away from this thread until the release.
Why, why is this bullshit only being spread in Ocean's threads? Why do such "special" people in the BaD thread not live too long, but here they feel like bacteria in a Petri dish.

So having Patreon and Steam to distribute the game is a scam, double payment and unethical practice. Good to know.

But I know an even more scammy scheme called the movie industry! This is where the real milkers are!
Just imagine, they release their movies in cinemas, where the poor honest consumer has to pay for a ticket, popcorn and soda to watch the movie only once! You see, just once!
If you want to watch it again, pay again! What about those who can't go to the cinema? They have to wait until the premiere ends and the film becomes available via online services or on DVD. This is where the double, triple, fuck-if-I-know-the-cardinality-of overpayment and no ethics at all.
I believe that it is simply unfair to bully a little old Ocean until the problem with the movies is solved!
EDIT: And I don't even talk about the director's cut version, additional material on dvd, posters and other horns and whistles these milkers use to take money out of our pockets!