VN Ren'Py Summer's Gone [S1 Steam + DLC] [Oceanlab]

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yossa999

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John972 said:
You are welcome for your opinions/point-of-view, but be prepared to back them up and don't lie or make unsubstantiated accusations.

More importantly, don't "cry" if some of your opinions get called out for being unsubstantiated.




Prove it!!!!!! That's such a wide and sweeping accusation against so many that I know you can't prove it. Even if you could substantiate it against one developer, that doesn't mean such a judgement then automatically applies to other developers.

The development cycle of AVNs with complex story arcs and above average visuals has increased over the last several years, that part is true. Opining that it is because they are all milkers who have got "comfortable" is pure fantasy. See see an effect but don't understand enough about the cause.

Go to this thread:

https://f95zone.to/threads/sg-off-topic-discussion.112868/post-7853430

Look at the SG Table in the opening post, which examines the development cycle of SG.

Now, please explain to me how the data in this table corresponds with your statement, "with developers in the beginning they are at full effect proving themselves and gaining a following, but after gaining a following and a couple thousand a month the full effect dies down and they get comfortable."

SG has had a longer-than-average development cycle from the beginning. Ocean didn't get "comfortable."
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As soon as I see someone start playing the milker card, it's a big fat hint that this is... let's call it an account that for some reason has not yet been put on ignore.
 
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Krytax123 said:
It all kinda depends imo and in the end its just the devs decision.

Would i be satisfied too if the quality would be a bit worse (like for example BaDIK) in exchange for more progression? Yes im sure i would have, maybe i would have prefered it, maybe not, i really cant tell.

A school hallway render with atmospheric lighting and lots of npcs like the new reworked renders looks amazing but i would have been satisfied with the not-reworked stuff too if it would have meant a faster development.

BUT this is Oceans style and his most exceptional ability, creating really amazing renders and atmosphere and its his vision for the avn.

I think a dev with a vision and being passionate to make it come true is way more productive in the long run compared to someone who always does what may be would the best buisness decision or compromises his own work/idea to appeal or to appease to some groups.

He wants to create something different and unique in his own style and im all for it and im convinced it leads to a better outcome and the dev stays motivated and has fun working which produces a better product in the end.
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I agree with your sentiments.

One of the things I like about F95 is the game variety. If you look at the games mentioned in my signature, for example, there is some variety in style and content. Of course, there are many more games with even wider differences in style and content.

BaDIK is BaDIK and SG/WIAB are SG/WIAB and that's exactly what I like about them. I am happy that SG/WIAB now have a unique style of their own since the reworks. If SG continued under Regium and the original WIAB continued unabated past Ch 6, that would have ticked a lot of boxes for a lot of people. However, in terms of visuals and narrative, I think those AVNs would simply be the same as hundreds of other AVNs here and lost in the crowd.
 
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BobTheDuck

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yossa999 said:
As soon as I see someone start playing the milker card, it's a big fat hint that this is... let's call it an account that for some reason has not yet been put on ignore.
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In essence I agree. The minute a pirate mentions milking, they have chosen a lazy excuse to pile on the dev. Pirates who aren't paying (by definition) CAN'T be milked. The rationale is simply they can't think on how to attack the dev who has done nothing objectively wrong they can specifically call out. I've never yet seen anyone explain how Ocean is delivering more renders in the same or shorter times for updates and HOW that is milking. Delivering a bigger update deliving more than average, delivering more than the industry average, all of this is called overachieving.

What most of the milker comments are is "Waaaah, I want my copium milk, damn you dev for blueballing me."

Patience is how we get good things. Especially here where there are super nice people who upload our copium in zip file formats.
 
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Yuno Gasai said:
did some fan signatures:
let me know if you want some other character as well.

Code: 
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John972 said:
I agree with your sentiments.

One of the things I like about F95 is the game variety. If you look at the games mentioned in my signature, for example, there is some variety in style and content. Of course, there are many more games with even wider differences in style and content.

BaDIK is BaDIK and SG/WIAB are SG/WIAB and that's exactly what I like about them. I am happy that SG/WIAB now have a unique style of their own since the reworks. If SG continued under Regium and the original WIAB continued unabated past Ch 6, that would have ticked a lot of boxes for a lot of people. However, in terms of visuals and narrative, I think those AVNs would simply be the same as hundreds of other AVNs here and lost in the crowd.
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Couldn’t agree more

My top 5 AVNs are all entirely different from each other on a fundamental level and even the render engine lmao (2 DAZ, 1 HS, 1 Koi, 1 drawn).

There isn’t a single formula how to create the „perfect avn“, there are unlimited possibility’s and ways to create a good avn.

At this point I’m glad that he did the reworks for both avns to have a base super high quality but im not gonna lie, im happy he has a rework-burnout and is done with that for the foreseeable future
 
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Tremonia said:
You do realize that he's talking about a version of the game that doesn't even exist yet and perhaps never will? How is he supposed to find anything about it in the OP?
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I think Otto's referring to the decensored mod for 5 beta, but yeah, chances are it might be too much effort to restore the first season considering the amount of new content vs continuity with old content. Some of it won't make sense and will break the game because of new variables etc.
 
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Tremonia said:
I know what he reffered to. It's just not what that dude he answered to demanded. This guy was whining about an imaginary version because of selfimagined compromises between Ocean and Valve.
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Agreed, but it is the correct response in a way - the mod is for the beta script, while the script to 5 full has no place for the restored scenes. A 'decrappified' mod is really a poster saying they don't like the direction of development and they should just look for a new game. But I don't know if that poster likes anything other than Ciri....
 
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BobTheDuck said:
but it is the correct response in a way
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No, it's not. The mod isn't what that guy demands. If you demand a mod that turns this game into a futa game, it's not the correct response to you when someone just says you should look in the OP. There's no futa mod.
 
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John972 said:
Prove it!!!!!! That's such a wide and sweeping accusation against so many that I know you can't prove it. Even if you could substantiate it against one developer, that doesn't mean such a judgement then automatically applies to other developers.
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I see this too. I can’t speak for all developers, but the ones I watch do this. I am interested in 3 developers, 2 of them I support: DPC, NLT, Ocean and each of them does this. For example, DPC decided to make a video at 60 fps. With this, he simply decided to stretch out the time and do nothing and receive money from his patreons for this. NLT completed its game last year, and now it is stalling for time, releasing riddles and all sorts of pictures once a month that are of little interest to anyone.
Ocean constantly needs money for new video cards, but at the same time his rendering speed does not increase, but rather decreases. For example, Ocean made Chapter 5 using 2x3090 and 2xA6000, and at the same time, his work speed was less than when he made Chapter 3.5 using only 2x3090. In addition, he releases empty chapters in which there is no more than 10% of the plot, and the remaining 90% are conversations that make no sense. DPC also has conversations that make no sense, but there are fewer of them and they are not as noticeable, because he makes chapters 3 times longer than SG.
 
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Mortarion said:
Did something happen while I was at work?
Maybe a purge from the mods, or what is the reason for this memes?
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It was calm like the Don said.
AlexFXR said:
I see this too. I can’t speak for all developers, but the ones I watch do this. I am interested in 3 developers, 2 of them I support: DPC, NLT, Ocean and each of them does this. For example, DPC decided to make a video at 60 fps. With this, he simply decided to stretch out the time and do nothing and receive money from his patreons for this. NLT completed its game last year, and now it is stalling for time, releasing riddles and all sorts of pictures once a month that are of little interest to anyone.
Ocean constantly needs money for new video cards, but at the same time his rendering speed does not increase, but rather decreases. For example, Ocean made Chapter 5 using 2x3090 and 2xA6000, and at the same time, his work speed was less than when he made Chapter 3.5 using only 2x3090. In addition, he releases empty chapters in which there is no more than 10% of the plot, and the remaining 90% are conversations that make no sense. DPC also has conversations that make no sense, but there are fewer of them and they are not as noticeable, because he makes chapters 3 times longer than SG.
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...Too calm.

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