VN Ren'Py Summer's Gone [S1 Steam + DLC] [Oceanlab]

[Old Man Al]

Like who ? Eva ?

Sasha for example is very reserved with the MC and also she seems to manipulate Robin doing stuff that is either working against the MC or she just tries to figure him out due to how he reacts.
Eva seems just like a firecracker, she is not very subtle or manipulative - quite the opposite.

 

[Turret]

The problem is that Robin did not use Nami directly. She did not harm her in any way. And she sincerely apologized in the fifth part, she was not forced. Whereas Nadia and Zara physically abused Nika. Zara actually put her foot in his mouth.

i have to replay that scene again, but I am very sure that in my personal canon playthrough Zara did not put her foot in the MC´s mouth! Might be a variation due to the decisions done before, but I do not remember seeing that. I do not like foot fetish stuff at all, so it would have stuck with me.

 

[Icekatana]

Digging through code isn't what any dev intends a player to do. Making blind choices is how games are intended to be played, and walkthrough mods are provided because some players hate uncertainty. I am certain that you make more consequential choices on a daily basis intuitively, because real life has no walkthrough.

Spoiler: I personally prefer choices feeling consequential

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But maybe that's me, and maybe all the variable just offer flavours of dialogue. We don't know what the variables might trigger in season 5. If the game is interesting enough, you play it without worrying about the time, if not, rage quitting is a thing.

Is understanding how to get a romance going with a certain character something that a dev intends? If I'm making a save for each girl, I'd like to know which choices are relevant without having to trial and error my way through it. My time is more valuable than that and a WT is simply a convenience. Nothing that you're saying justifies why the dev would make it deliberately more difficult to, optionally, streamline their playthrough. Dev's shouldn't get to decide how a player plays their game.

 

[BobTheDuck]

Is understanding how to get a romance going with a certain character something that a dev intends? If I'm making a save for each girl, I'd like to know which choices are relevant without having to trial and error my way through it. My time is more valuable than that and a WT is simply a convenience. Nothing that you're saying justifies why the dev would make it deliberately more difficult to, optionally, streamline their playthrough. Dev's shouldn't get to decide how a player plays their game.

Actually, yes, understanding how to romance a LI through trial and error is probably what most devs intend, otherwise they'd simply scrap choices altogether. In most AVN's these are almost the only choices you CAN make. It is also up to the dev how you play the game, they are completely responsible for the playability of it and the logic of their product.

The convenience aspect would be like a player demanding that a soulslike should have one hit kills for the bosses, or a godlike debug mode as standard. Either you play to the dev's logic for their game if it's enjoyable or you don't. The dev doesn't have to make the code compliant for any player. If the dev decides on a walkthrough, you're in luck, if they want to keep things hidden, it's completely their choice.

I'm sure you can depend on the AVN community to provide walkthroughs at some point, but my opinion is the dev can make their decisions based on how they want people to engage the story they came up with - I see that as the default position, and any provided walkthroughs as a bonus. Especially during development, where tags in the code could reveal major plot points that aren't yet present in the game.

 

[Claire R.E.]

My God, for 20 pages they talk about nothing, sick people!

 

[Don Sucio]

Why not just now? just play the older version first, then the reworked version. You'll see how the MC went from "fuck off, idgaf, type of vibe to a "I'm a pussy, I follow the pussy, I get told what to do, forced into doing things (just cause? can't say no, leave me alone, fuck off) he's like a pussy whipped bitch, minus the "getting pussy" part.

Could be a good aproach to the season 1, but i prefer to play first the rework, i don´t remember much about what happens in SG, just the depression of Mc for the dissapearance of Summer. I have forgotten many characters, interactions and second dramas, so if i play the old version i won´t be so surprised with the season 1 because i will be fresh (speaking about the plot and characters, of course the renders in season 1 will be better).

But i will play it sometime for sure, i want to know how was the Mc by myself. Even if i know thanks to people here how he was.

 

[John972]

Could be a good aproach to the season 1, but i prefer to play first the rework, i don´t remember much about what happens in SG, just the depression of Mc for the dissapearance of Summer. I have forgotten many characters, interactions and second dramas, so if i play the old version i won´t be so surprised with the season 1 because i will be fresh (speaking about the plot and characters, of course the renders in season 1 will be better).

But i will play it sometime for sure, i want to know how was the Mc by myself. Even if i know thanks to people here how he was.

I kinda want to keep the original versions of chapters 3-4.5 to replay eventually, just for the music that was lost!

 

[Don Sucio]

I kinda want to keep the original versions of chapters 3-4.5 to replay eventually, just for the music that was lost!

Yeah... Good choice, i will keep that version too if my computer memory allow it... I need to delete some games and stuff i don´t use.

 

[John972]

A VN in which (word)choices and consequences define who wants to have sex with the MC, which just makes it realistic enough that it feels like not every women in there just stumbled and fell on MCs dick via accident?

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One of the things I like about this game. An MC, being either a Massive DIK or a Massive CHICK in the SG world, will not have the same success as the one who acts according to the situation, is considerate of other characters, and does not hesitate to use common sense.

Let's take the Zara storyline.
First he teases and annoys her, and then publicly humiliates her. However, he attracts her interest. Now he is not just one of these pathetic weaklings, like Trey, but an arrogant and cocky boor who needs to be put in his place. Then he allows her to take revenge and feel like a winner for a while.

Further, when they meet at Nick's house, through manipulation, teasing and small concessions, he achieves that they become almost friends. And having achieved this, he then constantly maintains a balance, on the one hand, not allowing Zara's dominant nature to take over and spoil their growing friendship, and on the other hand, not going too far and showing that he cares about her and respects her.

It is not surprising that at the end of the fifth chapter she jumps with joy around him when she finds out that he will live in their house for some time. Was it just because of the opportunity to train together? Fuck if I'll buy it. No, that too, it's like a topping in a breadroll, but she's genuinely glad to be in his company and spend time with him.

Would he have achieved such an attitude from her on a purely dark path? I don’t think so, she would still feel insulted and humiliated and would try in every possible way to fight him. But she wouldn’t have accepted a slime from a purely light path either, she would probably have bullied him, if only because she doesn’t respect weaklings.

MC sets boundaries early on, has no qualms about being an asshole when it's needed, but rewards Zara for respecting boundaries and allowing her to play within those boundaries.

This is something that many other games do poorly: they are too straightforward. If they allow the MC to be evil or good, then he is either a complete moron and a sociopath, or he is so sweet, caring and helpful that most girls would puke from such a slime. But female game characters doesn't notice that. Cardboard cunts.

Yes, to all of the above.

One of the valuable aspects (for me) of the game's story is the characters actually being different: they have clear likes and dislikes, they have mannerisms, different ways of speaking etc. Some devs writing is good, but everyone has the same mannerisms as the dev. Ocean's clearly though about what motivates each character and how they react to the situations. Some things they'll be indifferent to, other things become a big deal; so the differences in behaviour from some of the girls if you kiss Bella sets them up to be jealous, whereas before you were a nobody. Not knowing what the outcome will be of any decision for several chapters makes me think I should act how I think it most authentic to me.

Having said that, because different characters are distinct, everyone has different pieces of the puzzle. Depending on what path you are on you find out different parts of the back story. I'm wondering if there will be a path for Melanie, and how that will affect things with the current circle of friends Nika's developing. It's not that I want to watch the world burn, I'm just curious to find out all the angles of the story, especially as Ocean loves hiding clues in odd places.

Primarily though, I'll be a responsible Nika, because actions have consequences.

The reason for trying the "Asshole MC" playthrough - and it was a skipped playthrough - was to test Ocean's insistence that the MC's attitude and behavior toward others will have consequences, affect his relationships, and affect the information he learns.

So far, Bella, Nami, and possibly Mila are the only LIs where the MC's behavior toward them seems to cut off future romance by the end of Ch 5 Beta. By bad behavior, I mean being snarly or closeted with them all the time and rejecting any advances (NOTE - any consequences of the MC agreeing to dates while acting like an asshole won't be known until Season 2 and beyond).

With characters like Zara, Nadia, Nia, Sasha, and Sonya, it's just too early to say.

Victoria is the wildcard. She has a VERY high tolerance to the MC being indifferent and rejecting her advances.

Spoiler: AH playthrough observations

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[Don Sucio]

The reason for trying the "Asshole MC" playthrough - and it was a skipped playthrough - was to test Ocean's insistence that the MC's attitude and behavior toward others will have consequences, affect his relationships, and affect the information he learns.

So far, Bella, Nami, and possibly Mila are the only LIs where the MC's behavior toward them seems to cut off future romance by the end of Ch 5 Beta. By bad behavior, I mean being snarly or closeted with them all the time and rejecting any advances (NOTE - any consequences of the MC agreeing to dates while acting like an asshole won't be known until Season 2 and beyond).

With characters like Zara, Nadia, Nia, Sasha, and Sonya, it's just too early to say.

Victoria is the wildcard. She has a VERY high tolerance to the MC being indifferent and rejecting her advances.

Spoiler: AH playthrough observations

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I´m one of those guys that want to have at least one path being an asshole. I like the creepy Nika so i´m going to exploit this behaviour, but of course being "normal", i´m not going to be a total asshole in all the situations, just in some situations where i find it would be the normal answer from Nika.

I still thinking the most inmersive aproach is to be a creepy guy in the whole first season, with exceptions , for example when Bella open her heart to you it would be normal to be more sensitive.

And after the therapy with Amber then start to be more open with people and start the recuperation of a healthy behaviour step by step. I don´t see realistic try to be super good guy in the first episode, but this is just how i see things, play how you guys want of course

 

[alanrock]

My God, for 20 pages they talk about nothing, sick people!

 

[rudy007]

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I always thought she regretted not going to Houston for a second opinion...

 

[gyshia915]

Regarding those cryptic variables names in the code, I think it's more a bad programming practice thing than Ocean deliberately trying to hide the meaning of them.

If you look at the code it's obvious that he has no programming knowledge at all, as you can find the usual tells these renpy devs constantly use like [if var == True] or [if var is True]. When someone is programming some spaghetti code is not rare to see non-descriptive or directly terrible variable names.

 

[mostwanted8]

What do you think about this Kate chick?

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It's obviously her who spread the rumor about Nika and Robin.
She used to call Bella weird in elementary school which caused Bella to kick her in the face.
When I first saw Bella I thought she would be the bitchy queen bee archetype. The game subverted my espectations revealing Bella to be different. It's this girl who fits that trope instead, kinda ironic since she's Bella's nemesis.
She is along with the busty church girl and the dark-haired girl from the bar one of those characters in the game who I find more attractive than most of the main girls looks-wise, yet we'll never get to have sex with them.
I'm attacted to the bitchy type so I'm curious to see how this character will develop, doubt she's simply a one-dimensional villain. Judging from what we've seen there's a chance that Bella and her will make up and possibly for Bella to make peace with some of her demons.

 

[rudy007]

What do you think about this Kate chick?

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It's obviously her who spread the rumor about Nika and Robin.
She used to call Bella weird in elementary school which caused Bella to kick her in the face.
When I first saw Bella I thought she would be the bitchy queen bee archetype. The game subverted my espectations revealing Bella to be different. It's this girl who fits that trope instead, kinda ironic since she's Bella's nemesis.
She is along with the busty church girl and the dark-haired girl from the bar one of those characters in the game who I find more attractive than most of the main girls looks-wise, yet we'll never get to have sex with them.
I'm attacted to the bitchy type so I'm curious to see how this character will develop, doubt she's simply a one-dimensional villain. Judging from what we've seen there's a chance that Bella and her will make up and possibly for Bella to make peace with some of her demons.

But there is another way... Bella could kick her ass (or/and face) the second time... Maybe she didn't understand Bella's message right the first time. She could even take her poor sidekick with her...

 

[Doomyk]

Indifferent to Vic and no kiss – she still asks out MC again!!!! (we won't know Vic's ultimate reaction to a second refusal to date her until Season 02. It would be kinda cool if she dated Damien just to make the MC jealous and then gets Damien to tell the MC how much he loves motorboating her ).

 

[Darkdevil66]

What do you think about this Kate chick?

She's hot.

It's obviously her who spread the rumor about Nika and Robin.
She used to call Bella weird in elementary school which caused Bella to kick her in the face.
When I first saw Bella I thought she would be the bitchy queen bee archetype. The game subverted my espectations revealing Bella to be different. It's this girl who fits that trope instead, kinda ironic since she's Bella's nemesis.

Bella's archenemy would rather be the unseen Melanie Ceril ( who's also Zara's rival and Victoria's bully ).

 

[mostwanted8]

But there is another way... Bella could kick her ass (or/and face) the second time... Maybe she didn't understand Bella's message right the first time. She could even take hid poor sidekick with her...

That's for a whole other version of the game

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[TheDuke9999]

How about Bella goes savage and figures out a way for this AVN to get released more than once a year lol

 

[alanrock]

How about Bella goes savage and figures out a way for this AVN to get released more than once a year lol

More than once per year? This is not Fast & Furious bro, slow down.