VN Ren'Py Summer's Gone [S1 Steam + DLC] [Oceanlab]

[Dessolos]

I supported the guy for years, this month was the last and I won't buy the game on Steam, if it comes out this month on Patreon great, if it doesn't I'll play the pirate, not everyone is stupid enough to pay Patreon and not be prioritized!

While I have no issue with it coming out on steam first. I do wish he would of increased the price on patron to what the steam one will cost. That way you dont piss off people like yourself that prefer patron. Since he can't charge a cheaper price than steam. Tho I do understand money is the main reason for his decision cause it's gonna leaked day 1 probably same with steam.

Tbh i dont view buying it on steam as support since it's gonna be a complete Season I see that as buying a partially complete product while with patron and subscribstar I see that 100% as support. ( I know steam still is technically supporting him but I view it differently because of how it's gonna be a complete Season)

 

[BobTheDuck]

While I have no issue with it coming out on steam first. I do wish he would of increased the price on patron to what the steam one will cost. That way you dont piss off people like yourself that prefer patron. Since he can't charge a cheaper price than steam. Tho I do understand money is the main reason for his decision cause it's gonna leaked day 1 probably same with steam.

Tbh i dont view buying it on steam as support since it's gonna be a complete Season I see that as buying a partially complete product while with patron and subscribstar I see that 100% as support. ( I know steam still is technically supporting him but I view it differently because of how it's gonna be a complete Season)

My understanding is that Ocean is keeping the patreon price low until the steam release, as Ch5 Beta is something that the patrons can have while Season 1 is pending approval. I think he lowered the price until the steam release, but will raise it to match when season 1 is available. I could be wrong asI'm not a patron so I don't follow that side of things too much.

Edit: mostwanted8 I'm fresh outta reacts, but the simple thing is, I save my fucks for things I can actually give a fuck about, mostly. Unless I'm triggered, or it's Wednesday Most of my life is being stressed about clients not paying me on time. Games should be an escape from that mentality. I'm not going to take my AVN hobbies as serious business - it's discretionary.

 

[mostwanted8]

You do both realise that telling pirates on a pirate games forum how you're going to pirate a game is kinda pointless? This is like virtue signaling how piratey you are.

As a pirate, I get free things when someone shares. Being impatient just makes me an entitled dick. Stop roleplaying the MC of 90% of games - your entitlement is in your head and your dick should stay in your pants even on internet forums. Because even if you identify as something else, you're swinging your ding dong loudly like a helicopter.

If you're a patron and pissed, we other pirates are here on a piratey games forum, wondering why you aren't shouting at Ocean on his discord where he can hear you, or where the other patrons can hear you.

If you WANT to be effective with your complaint, complain to the people who can DO something. Or do you want a sympathy post? THe whole thread is here waiting too, and most of us are not angry because we haven't lost anything by waiting.

Finally someone said it.

 

[John972]

To be honest, I liked the dolphin joke very much.

And the first three sentences are not that bad neither. the rest is something to get used to ...

The thing that gets me when reading that dialogue (in Regium's version) is I can never picture those words coming from a traumatized 18-year-old; rather, I picture them coming from the mouth of an 8-year-old trying to be edgy/funny.

 

[nobody0]

I don't think you have had the experience of being a Patreon on Ocean Discord, if you complain about something you are banned, I say this from personal experience, and regarding the forum, I don't see it as ''piracy'', but rather exchange of information... If it were just focused on pirating it would be a torrent site... That's it, all Patreons and supporters by other means should wake up and not fawn over Ocean egg like many here and on discord do!

This is absolutely not true that complaining on Ocean's discord get's you banned. I say that as some one that spends too much time on the discord. The only way I think you would get banned for that is repeatedly spamming it like a dick.

 

[duolaamm]

I guess the 5.0full version dont have much more content comparison with 5 beta version。the full 5 version must for the steam purpose， you guys best don't give too much attention unless you will very disappointed

 

[SonsOfLiberty]

I guess the 5.0full version dont have much more content comparison with 5 beta version。the full 5 version must for the steam purpose， you guys best don't give too much attention unless you will very disappointed

It's been explained, they know, the Patreon version though will differ.

 

[John972]

I supported the guy for years, this month was the last and I won't buy the game on Steam, if it comes out this month on Patreon great, if it doesn't I'll play the pirate, not everyone is stupid enough to pay Patreon and not be prioritized!

My understanding is that Ocean is keeping the patreon price low until the steam release, as Ch5 Beta is something that the patrons can have while Season 1 is pending approval. I think he lowered the price until the steam release, but will raise it to match when season 1 is available. I could be wrong asI'm not a patron so I don't follow that side of things too much.

Edit: mostwanted8 I'm fresh outta reacts, but the simple thing is, I save my fucks for things I can actually give a fuck about, mostly. Unless I'm triggered, or it's Wednesday Most of my life is being stressed about clients not paying me on time. Games should be an escape from that mentality. I'm not going to take my AVN hobbies as serious business - it's discretionary.

I honestly can't understand all the palaver over Steam getting the full Season shortly before Patreons.

It's a once every 5-10 updates thing. Patreons will get Season 2 chapters 1 to, say, 5 first. Steam users likely will not - they'll only get the finished Season 2.

I expect this because that's how many other devs are managing their Patreon/Steam releases. I don't recall seeing any statements from Ocean stating otherwise. Besides, it's good business practice. In exchange for early access, Patreons become beta testers. Not only that, Patreons are getting some goodies in their Season 1 version that are not available to Steam users.

 

[yossa999]

I guess the 5.0full version dont have much more content comparison with 5 beta version。the full 5 version must for the steam purpose， you guys best don't give too much attention unless you will very disappointed

If you mean new content as a continuation of Chapter 5, then yes, you are right, nothing will be added.
According to the dev, the full version of CH5 will contain a completely reworked second chapter, which means >2000 new renders with some changes and expansions to the beginning of the story.
So yes, the update is not for everyone, those who are waiting for the continuation of the story from the moment the fifth chapter ended, alas, a bummer. Those who, like me, liked the reworking of the first chapters will be in for a treat and will get a lot of new content.

 

[Old Man Al]

This is absolutely not true that complaining on Ocean's discord get's you banned. I say that as some one that spends too much time on the discord. The only way I think you would get banned for that is repeatedly spamming it like a dick.

This. Also "It's not what you say, but how you say it." or as we Germans say "Der Ton macht die Musik."

 

[Tremonia]

THE PROBLEM IS SIMPLE, THE GUY WANTS MONEY, SO HE'S GOING TO POST IT ON STEAM FIRST, THEN ON PATREON, VERY HYPOCRITICAL BECAUSE THE PEOPLE KEEPING THE COSTS ARE THE PATREON SUBSCRIBERS, I SAY AGAIN, SG IS BIG, BUT THERE ARE GAMES THERE WHICH IS GOOD BIGGER AND THE DEVS DON'T POST IT FIRST ON STEAM AND KEEP WALKING ABOUT TO POST IT ON PATREON, I'M GOING TO LOVE THE FIRST DAY OF LAUNCH ON STEAM FOR THE GAME TO BE LEAKED BECAUSE IT STOP BEING DUMB!

No need to scream at us. It's kinda weak when you've to shout.

 

[yossa999]

I'm not here to make anyone against Ocean or anything like that (He gave me my favorite MMC after all), just putting this out to shed some light on how things are going and being rational. Pointing out flaws or critizing doesn't make one against it, it simply shows what needs improvement. Moving on...

First of all Nobody knows how long anyone will live and that's wishful thinking that I'll be around that (put any amount of days/months/years/decades) time especially with all these wars on the brink of happening + virus outbreaks, natural death, etc.

Second, you guys need to be rational about things. We got 5 chapters in 5 years (starting from 2019 and yes I'm counting Chapter 5 in it, I know it's not FULL version). 30 chapters are set in stone AT LEAST making it every 5 chapters a season + reworks. YES! I'm counting ATLEAST one rework every 5 chapters and that me being optimistic that we'll get only 1 rework. Rework can be minor or major. Ren'py does version updating too, that's another issue of saves. Who knows if ren'py will be around then or not. Who knows maybe AI will be making AVN's.

Not to forget Ocean is working on two games which is also affecting the delay of updates (look we still didn't get Chapter 5 full version even though ch5 was released way before WIAB release and WIAB already got full version a long time ago) And I don't think Ocean will be abandoning WIAB especially after 2 chapters in AFTER rework and it is way shorter in comparison to Summer's Gone that is if Ocean is not planning on making it SG 2.0 with 30 or some chapters.

So, the game will be completed in 2049 is the most optimistic we can be.

Oh man...
I kinda responded to John Ness a few posts ago on the same argument. Read it if you wish... Or don't
https://f95zone.to/threads/summers-gone-ch-5-beta-oceanlab.29981/post-13490941

But since we all here recognize the right of others to express their opinions (we do, right?) please let me express mine.

I don’t understand where every second critic gets this didactic tone and condescending attitude towards those who support Ocean. Where do you guys get such an unbearable desire to stick the blazing Torch of Truth into our unwashed asses of ignorance?
This may be hard for you to believe, but most people can multiply 1 by (32-5) and add 2024 to get 2051 as an extrapolation of the game's completion date if things remain as they are now. They kinda had done this long before the missionaries arrived to this pagan lands.

And this is where questions of personal beliefs begin. Some believe that Ocean is not evolving, does not draw conclusions from past mistakes, does not analyze the feedback and don't improve his approach based on it, not looking for the ways to make games faster. And basically milks the poor pirates, and as long as there is at least one subscriber left, he will continue the unbearable milking of those who take the game for free.

Others believe that Ocean is looking for ways to improve games and develop them more quickly, constantly taking various actions to achieve this goal, and in general he is serious about delivering the games to the extent that he planned them. Because it is not only his passion, but also his business. So this part of the audience believes that the dev will find a way to significantly speed up development.

Just to be honest: my personal opinion is that I don't give a flying fuck about the ending as long as Ocean releases an amount of content every year that is comparable to the amount of content created by the most productive solo developers on this site. I will watch this show while it lasts.

I think that since this is a question of beliefs, then it has only a historical solution - religious wars, this is exactly what we all see in this thread. And only the future will show who was right.

So there’s one thing I can’t understand. It’s clear why those who like the game and who support the developer constantly gather and communicate in this thread. But why there remain those who themselves declare that Ocean is a fool and a milker, that the game is crap and nothing good will happen in it, that they can’t bear the very thought of the existence of this game, all this is the mystery of the Aztecs for me.

There are thousands of games on the site for every taste, why are you keep hanging out here? The funny thing is that most of you have 90 to 100% of your posts in this thread only. They're all on the topic “if only you knew how bad things really are.” I can’t understand this, it’s like scratching a wound again and again, not giving it a chance to heal. With my all due respect to masochistic kinks, it's kind of crazy.

Another thing that I can't understand is the attempts in this thread to address Ocean and teach him how to make games correctly. I see only one explanation for this; perhaps not everyone knows that he left this forum last year and deleted his account. Guys, he's not here, look for him on Patreon, Discord or God knows where.

And my beloved Regium fans. Yeah, sure, things were much better with him, and the MC was the Edgelord Chad, not the pathetic emo-crybaby-limp-dick like now, and the jokes were funny and juicy, not like the pale crap that was left after the edits and in general we were one step away from fucking all the LIs and shoot up a fucking college. But Ocean has deprived us of all these joys.

Just please don't forget one little thing: Regium has left this ship four (or five?) years ago. Summer's Gone is now entirely created by Ocean, and the old one you loved was abandoned by its developer many years ago. Alas. It's abandoned. Seriously, don’t torture yourself, Ocean won’t return everything as it was under Regium, find something more suitable to your taste. Or accept the changes.

 

[PaxHadrian17]

I guess the 5.0full version dont have much more content comparison with 5 beta version。the full 5 version must for the steam purpose， you guys best don't give too much attention unless you will very disappointed

This is an excerpt from Ocean's Dev Log on April 5, 2024:

The rework is done.

...

Lightroom says I did postwork on 2309 renders for the Full.

Around 1900 are new renders, and the rest are renders I adjusted.

There is a significant increase in content (1900 new renders) and, based on other dev logs, most of it is focused on MC/Bella time (the heist scene at the Holgersons has been greatly expanded and morphed into two scenes, for ex.).

The specifics of other changes are also in the dev log but it was already posted in full in this thread so this excerpt should suffice to address the difference between SG CH 5 Beta and CH 5 Full.

Cheers!!

 

[Don Sucio]

Games are meant to be enjoyable. Find one that you enjoy while you wait. I have like 200 here I've downloaded and yet to play, they all look interesting, some might be crap, but I can do plenty of other things while I wait.

Indeed, i´m playing Diablo 4 now , so i´m busy while i wait

And my beloved Regium fans. Yeah, sure, things were much better with him, and the MC was the Edgelord Chad, not the pathetic emo-crybaby-limp-dick like now, and the jokes were funny and juicy, not like the pale crap that was left after the edits and in general we were one step away from fucking all the LIs and shoot up a fucking college. But Ocean has deprived us of all these joys.

Just please don't forget one little thing: Regium has left this ship four (or five?) years ago. Summer's Gone is now entirely created by Ocean, and the old one you loved was abandoned by its developer many years ago. Alas. It's abandoned. Seriously, don’t torture yourself, Ocean won’t return everything as it was under Regium, find something more suitable to your taste. Or accept the changes.

This reminds me to the Halo saga, the change from Bungie to 343... It was better Bungie? Of course, but now we have 343, take it or leave it, we can´t do anything about it.

But Ocean is not that bad, come on guys... I didn´t play Regium version but Ocean is doing a good work, worse or better than Regium? I can´t talk but Ocean is not bad.

 

[John972]

You forgot to check people's reviews about Regium. When he was developing SG, no one talked about “Slow Burning” and that the dialogue in the game was boring. But they write this about Ocean all the time. Well, this is not surprising, after all these years people are tired of waiting for the plot to move forward and begin to develop.

OK, I'll take the bait.

Your reply has NOTHING to do with what I said in my post. All you are doing is deflecting/moving the goal posts.

1. Reviews are like assholes... (you know the rest of that saying). I've seen objectively average games on F95 get rave reviews simply because the game ticked the right fetish boxes. They are subjective, so moving on.

2. This thread has 1,683 pages. Only the first 38 pages (2%) relate solely to Regium's Chapter 1.

3. Development time / "Slow burning" is irrelevant to my post because I presented evidence in the form of dialogues and renders from the original SG Ch 1 (Regium's) that people could view, compare to Ocean's reworked SG Ch 1, and reach their own conclusions about.

Anyway, let's look at the development time / "slow burn" question.

Regium released one - ONE - chapter of SG on 8 May 2019. That is all. Regium has no (as in ZERO, ZILCH) track record in development cycles to compare with Ocean because Regium made no subsequent chapters of SG.

Ocean took over the development of SG in 2019 and he released Chapter 2 on 11 January 2020 - eight months after Regium's first and only release.

Here is what Ocean wrote in the Chapter 2 changelog:

Chapter 2 now got completely reworked (It was never published) from scratch. Over 1200 images were reworked.
You may notice some quality changes while playing Chapter 2. This is because Regium and I both did create visuals. (He did around 100. and I did around 1300.)
I (Ocean) know more about rendering than he does and we decided to both render visuals to speed up the process of the rework. Which was a Quantity > Quality decision.
A choice I would normally never do.

Let's look at some objective information about the two versions of Chapter 1 (ignoring render and dialogue quality):

Spoiler: Regium's SG Chapter 1

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Spoiler: Ocean's reworked SG Ch 1 (up to Ch 5 Beta)

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As for reminiscing about Regium's Chapter 1 - it contained one - ONE - lewd scene; a minor one where Summer showed her breasts. That is all. No one has any idea what would've followed and when, had Regium continued development.

 

[yossa999]

This reminds me to the Halo saga, the change from Bungie to 343... It was better Bungie? Of course, but now we have 343, take it or leave it, we can´t do anything about it.

But Ocean is not that bad, come on guys... I didn´t play Regium version but Ocean is doing a good work, worse or better than Regium? I can´t talk but Ocean is not bad.

Regium's version, while declaring both paths, was better focused on the dark path where the MC is a sociopath who can shoot a woman, commenting on his actions in the same tone as he asked Mila for a cigarette. Probably the author was trying to portray a guy completely dissociated from his feelings and emotions.

And I can only give my opinion, but I got the impression that the game was heading towards something like Raptus. Again, this is just my opinion, but it's based on what Regium has posted here and on Discord.

Perhaps this can be compared to alternative movies, which, although have their fanbase, is unlikely to be shown to the mainstream public due to taboo topics and disturbing scenes. I don't believe it had any chance of getting onto, say, Steam.

And for the people who like to play the dark path. Chapter 5 is just.. damn. I questioned myself after finishing it.

 

[John972]

... I got the impression that the game was heading towards something like Raptus.

I truly don't understand why some fans of Regium's darker version of SG spend most of their F95 time ragging on Ocean in this thread instead of heading over to the Raptus thread, playing the game, then commenting about it there afterward.

 

[yossa999]

I truly don't understand why some fans of Regium's darker version of SG spend most of their F95 time ragging on Ocean in this thread instead of heading over to the Raptus thread, playing the game, then commenting about it there afterward.

Out of reactions.
As I said, a mystery more cryptic than the prophecies of the ancient Aztecs.
I can only assume that despite all the criticism they couldn't find anything better. Heck, I wont deny it, I myself would be glad to find a game that I would like as much as SG, but without fucking tabletop games and with updates every three months and the amount of content for several hours in each update. But alas, since 2019, I haven’t found anything. There are many good games, but I have never seen one that replaces this one.

 

[sorco2003]

Regium's version, while declaring both paths, was better focused on the dark path where the MC is a sociopath who can shoot a woman, commenting on his actions in the same tone as he asked Mila for a cigarette. Probably the author was trying to portray a guy completely dissociated from his feelings and emotions.

And I can only give my opinion, but I got the impression that the game was heading towards something like Raptus. Again, this is just my opinion, but it's based on what Regium has posted here and on Discord.

Perhaps this can be compared to alternative movies, which, although have their fanbase, is unlikely to be shown to the mainstream public due to taboo topics and disturbing scenes. I don't believe it had any chance of getting onto, say, Steam.

No, it was not focused on the dark path. The MC was more sunken and broken, so it was more likely to understand a dark path (but the path that Ocean had in mind), but the light path would be even more bright, because it is the healing from the depths of the abyss. Anyway, I understand that others say "Regium's version" but... don't we agree that the story was always Ocean's?

 

[Maviarab]

No, it was not focused on the dark path. The MC was more sunken and broken, so it was more likely to understand a dark path (but the path that Ocean had in mind), but the light path would be even more bright, because it is the healing from the depths of the abyss. Anyway, I understand that others say "Regium's version" but... don't we agree that the story was always Ocean's?

Correct. It was never Regiums story....