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If anyone believes that with more money or more people it'll be faster is delusional. Otherwise AAA games would be released in a matter of days by now (they still take 5+ years to make)
In days? Nope. But It will cut down few months at least and it won't be 1 chapter per year if Ocean hires more people. no?
 

alanrock

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Yeah, one chapter per year is all we can get when a Single developer works on two games ... no remedy in sight.
 

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Yeah, one chapter per year is all we can get when a Single developer works on two games ... no remedy in sight.
I will say even tho 1 update a year does sucks for us SG fans especially considering he works on 2 games is still a little impressive to me. Cause there are devs out that work on only 1 game and still only manage 1 per year but I suppose Ocean does have more rendering PC's than some devs so that helps.
 

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umm... Season 1 is now targeting 16+, from the start of SG it was AVN "Adult Visual Novel" which is now "Visual Novel". If music license was issue than why pull out some content and some not? That's not bcz of music. Why still some renders are still of previous models and not new one? It's half assed work. And we'll likely get another Update to season1 to fix those issues (more delaying on season 2 ep1? can't say). When Dev gave audience a taste and than pull out it out of their mouth, people will ramble and show negative response, plus it doesn't lessen the effect that the development cycle is trash and not improving. People will try to shit on other things too than just out of emotions even if they don't mean it. I don't know about others as I'm not aware of every single person's reasoning behind the argument but the only thing I have the problem with is development cycle which is 1chapter per year and it's not improving(we'll see season 2).

It is Ocean's Game and he has the right to whether doom it overtime or make immortal overtime. Audience has right to criticize even if they are never pleased and will never be pleased:p.
Regarding the cut content, I'm imagining it was to get it below Steam ridiculous limbo line of "frequent" before the cut there was 1.5% or something of partially nude renders once OCean cut the 18+ content. So the selective cutting in my opinion was to simply try to get the amount of content down far enough to get occassional, which would put it in the non geoblocked category. Ocean (presumably, I don't know) cut the things he felt were going against the characters personalities first, and then the token scenes. Wish he'd cut the wiggly though... Pretty sure that Ocean liked a lot of the scenes he ultimately cut and didn't want to cut any of them. It's just pragmatism. He lost the will to fight steam over the 1.5% being occassional.

If it was pushed up to 18+ because of the "frequent" tag, that's when the music licenses could have caused issues. I also think, we're likely to see some of the cut scenes be reworked into S2E1 - I'm sure there will be opportunity for an awkward Nami jacuzzi for example.
 

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So... is there going to be an uncensored version (the original), or is this how the game is now?

Cause if so, it needs a lot of rewriting. Stuff that was removed with the censoring, is still being referenced in the dialogue even though it didn't happen (after the changes). Looks like they just removed the images but left most the dialogue the same still. So now things are confusing and don't make sense with some conversations.

I mean, I'm glad to see the rework is finally done, but if this is the final version and how the game is going to be going forward, it needs a rewrite now to match the changes. Cause it is kind of a mess right now.
 

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I'm new to this game. Do I need to download the chapter 5 beta as well or is the first download the full game?
 

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So... is there going to be an uncensored version (the original), or is this how the game is now?

Cause if so, it needs a lot of rewriting. Stuff that was removed with the censoring, is still being referenced in the dialogue even though it didn't happen (after the changes). Looks like they just removed the images but left most the dialogue the same still. So now things are confusing and don't make sense with some conversations.

I mean, I'm glad to see the rework is finally done, but if this is the final version and how the game is going to be going forward, it needs a rewrite now to match the changes. Cause it is kind of a mess right now.
If you go to Ocean's discord, you can report bugs/inconsistencies. I thought about doing that, and then realised I'm not that motivated today :coffee: :whistle:

I'm new to this game. Do I need to download the chapter 5 beta as well or is the first download the full game?
No, just the full, have fun :)
 

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I will say even tho 1 update a year does sucks for us SG fans especially considering he works on 2 games is still a little impressive to me. Cause there are devs out that work on only 1 game and still only manage 1 per year but I suppose Ocean does have more rendering PC's than some devs so that helps.
He is not lazy, that much I know. But I think he takes on more than he can handle alone.
 

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I will say even tho 1 update a year does sucks for us SG fans especially considering he works on 2 games is still a little impressive to me. Cause there are devs out that work on only 1 game and still only manage 1 per year but I suppose Ocean does have more rendering PC's than some devs so that helps.
The thing is Ocean is working on 2 games. Both of them get updates one after the other and deliver a buncha renders roughly 2000, few hundred renders up or down. Than Ocean is(was) working on SG reworks, planning on how to rework, etc. too side by side. So saying it that Ocean is milking or not working hard is bullshit (I know you didn't said it, just addressing to everyone;)). Plus Steam release sucks blood. And Ocean is solo developer. Does it suck for us fellas? Absolutely! Hopefully season 2 will fix some of the issues at least rework. But Ocean absolutely needs to keep his goal realistic. Not to forget that Wiab and SG are 2 out of 5 games from this universe with SG having at least 30 chapters:WutFace:.

#HOPE_SG_SEASON2
 

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The thing is Ocean is working on 2 games. Both of them get updates one after the other and deliver a buncha renders roughly 2000, few hundred renders up or down. Than Ocean is(was) working on SG reworks, planning on how to rework, etc. too side by side. So saying it that Ocean is milking or not working hard is bullshit (I know you didn't said it, just addressing to everyone;)). Plus Steam release sucks blood. And Ocean is solo developer. Does it suck for us fellas? Absolutely! Hopefully season 2 will fix some of the issues at least rework. But Ocean absolutely needs to keep his goal realistic. Not to forget that Wiab and SG are 2 out of 5 games from this universe with SG having at least 30 chapters:WutFace:.

#HOPE_SG_SEASON2
Earliest mention of the 5 planned games I know of was Jan 2020. So this is a known thing, it's not a new change. I applaud more content, but I don't think he'll be doing any work on PLF until these current two are done: one of the biggest problems of developing both SG and WiaB is that SG has to avoid being to clear about what has happened before, or it spoils WiaB too much. Right now we know Katie, Ayua's mum, Elena, Zoey Emilio and Gefritzel the snake survive. That will change the tension we notice in WiaB, as we know whether they're around or not. Mainly G of course, the true MVP.
 
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They were short 5 years ago, when updates came out once a month. Updates with 300-400 renders for 10 minutes of gameplay, opened in 720p window. Objectively speaking, it's much better now. Even if they are released rarely, there are 3-4 hours of gameplay with high-quality visuals. VNs like evolved from PS2 to PS5 in several years.
Yeah, I kinda miss those days (2018-20) when I could pirate an AVN I liked at least once or twice a week :). Now, it's like a small handful of AVNs one or twice (if lucky) a year. However, there's no doubt that the average quality has increased in that time.
 

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Earliest mention of the 5 planned games I know of was Jan 2020. So this is a known thing, it's not a new change. I applaud more content, but I don't think he'll be doing any work on PLF until these current two are done: one of the biggest problems of developing both SG and WiaB is that SG has to avoid being to clear about what has happened before, or it spoils WiaB too much. Right now we know Katie, Ayua's mum, Elena, Zoey Emilio and Gefritzel the snake survive. That will change the tension we notice in WiaB, as we know whether they're around or not. Mainly G of course, the true MVP.
I so just wanna know the full story. Fuck you Einstein, You should've made a time machine *Me poking my microwave, phusshhh*.
 
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