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And they have so little to actually whine about, they bring up the same two scenes over and over and over and over....
And over....and over.....
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And over....and over.....
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It depends what you are looking for in a MC and what point of view you are looking at. For me this MC is one of better ones because Nika it quite different than alot of MC ive played. He knows he's fucked up and needs to change and trying to do something about so there will be some growth in his character.
As a MC that gets laid or has good traits yeah he is pretty bad but that is his character he isn't meant to be likeable. He is meant to show growth and change over time. idk I doubt this MC is going to have sex 24 / 7 even once his dick works again just seems it would be out of character for him. Since his growth is suppose to more or less be him getting over his trauma and trying to being a better human being and not a playboy.
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Would this really start a war? The running joke since the game started is that the MC looks and acts like an emo loser, the dev of the game acknowledges this and has several in game jokes regarding it. Hell i dunno if most people remember but his dialogue has been tweaked quite a lot since the beginning. He used to be a much bigger asshole before, he has been toned down quite a bit though he is still fairly offputting.Dude don´t come here to start a war too!
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No, they can be put in the same category. I explicitly said why I did that. Because they have very pronounced flaws that have a strong impact on the people around them. Bella displays a vast range of emotions, so what? Leia also displays a vast range of emotions. We see her being angry, sad and crying just like Bella. Sometimes she is even happy and smiles. These moments are rare and fleeting, but they are there. She is a very human, emotional and fragile person, too. Bella and Leia have a lot more in common than Vanessa. And considering they're both bullies and criminals. Leia is involved in organised crime, but people's hatred towards her mostly relates to her past when she was a bully at school. I don't see any problem putting them in the same category.
So, Leia is just as broken as Bella. Yet Ocean treats them differently. I've already said everything I need to in the previous post. In your examples, there is no serious debates about Bella that are comparable to Leia's. Mila's silent about her incidents and instead tells how Bella was bullied. And Nami, after that prank?
The rest. I've already said about it. (Sorry, I'm just tired of writing a reply from the start.)
We see Vanessa only twice. We can't say for sure that she deceived Bella. Her attempt to trick Nika was caused by his suspicious look. She admits it and shows him respect. After that, she becomes more friendly and outspoken during the jacuzzi scene. So yes, she is like from another world, but she's still not a robot. She shows emotions. Especially the negative ones that she can't hide when something doesn't go the way she wants. I'm almost sure that the main theme of her healing will be built around accepting new family members, particularly Noji. I think her mother's betrayal hit her harder than Zara. And if we meet their mother, it will happen in Vanessa's storyline.
I'm telling you what I said before. At the end of WiAB, William will be chasing enemies in his muscle car and smashing their heads with his foot like the mc of Drive while Leia establishes total control over the city's criminal life. I bet they'll drag the sister into their business too.
So maybe in SG they'll turn out to be the main villains.About the plan with Vanessa. It's seen almost as a mockery of the corruption trope.
I dare to call her evil simply because of her connection to organised crime and the drug trade. And evil people can be caring and act like good people in general. These are not contradictory characteristics.
You're insane, by the way.
I love it!I don't think Nika is on Stefan's radar (other than as a curiosity - does he/his family matter in the games of power).
I think Vanessa is the dangerous one (from a perception and observation POV).
I think any Nika/Bella time at Nick's house when Vanessa is able to observe them will give her insights into each of them and them as a couple - insights they don't necessarily want her to have.
For now, she is neither ally nor enemy, but I think Vanessa would like it if Nika owed her favors... and he might not enjoy paying them back...
There is the couple's situation... imagine Vanessa and Mario meeting Nika and Bella at Nick's house.
Or - for more fun picture - imagine Nika and Bella naked in the jacuzzi, just talking and catching up - when suddenly Mario and Vanessa, also naked, round the corner to get in the jacuzzi.
Nika - in a quiet who of dominance - just stands up and stretches, then greets Vanessa.
Mario jumps into the hot tub and damn near drowns himself trying to hide the fact that he's using a butt plug.
Once he's 'safely' under the water, he notices that Vanessa is still standing there, fully naked, and taking her time getting under the water.
Bella's face shows that she does not like the 'show' Vanessa is giving Nika and Mario does not either.
Nika is meeting her eyes and not looking at the rest of her body, while the same cannot be said of Vanessa and then Mario notices where Vanessa is looking and ....
Ocean could have a lot of fun with a certain dichotomy between Nika and Mario if he chooses to.
Once Amber's cabin visit therapy gets Nika 'firing on all cylinders' - this dichotomy will be Much more pronounced...
Cheers!!
I think they will (have to) stay at nick's house for at least a week and considering we only played 5 (?) days so far, it will probably be the whole second season? I think its great to switch the housing situations up from time to time. Now we can have a lot of Zara (yay) and Vanessa and see what kind of guy Nick is.
I really want Nick and Nika to have a great relationship, Nika really needs a experienced man he can asks questions and get guideance from.
Afterwards we can move in with Mila, Nami and Robin (which will lead to more sasha too) which will be great too.
Imo the whole description of her would never fit Leia and the women shown in the flashback doesnt look like her at all either. Leia would probably just have killed Nick instead of the accusations if she wanted to get rid of him *cough cough*
But the affair of his ex with willy is very possible, maybe leia just enjoys to gift all the Zane bastard daughters her jewelry to keep them connected to the clan and as a sign of untouchability lmao
The whole thing seems to be set up imo. Not only that Nika and Nami (have to) join the College, the whole ZPR himself seems to be designed as a education facility for the Zane (and adjacent lol) kids. Its conspicious how ZPR took over when all the kids of the known familys started to attend college.Nah go for the wall of text, we all have plenty of time until the next update. Thoughtful points help us understand some of the more hidden easter eggs and red herrings as Ocean loves his cloak and dagger vaudville routines
I'll try to be concise myself though, and respond without spiraling out to the life, universe and everything
I suspect their admission to ZPR is either a form of scholarship or Noji pulling strings via the book club. I highly doubt Noji doesn't already know Elena Petrova. I also wonder if Charlie might not be the Dean. There is nothing saying that the dean has to be one of the families who own the college. Noji has 1 degree of separation at most from every power player it seems. Katie, Amber, Scarlet, Charlie, at least one degree via Katie or Sasha to Elena, the Frohns, if she knows Katie she probably knows Zoey... I'll be interested if we find out the meaning of her tattoo.
Ayua still knows Nami has an earring and she knows what that means even if we don't. She would have known Bella's prank and seens Nami with the earring. If she wasn't observant at college, she'd know it while drawing. 100% she knows what's going on, and gave Nika a free pass only because she knows what's going on.
Nice pickup about the id!
Yep. I also think that Coach hills actions with the handcuffs also bear keeping in mind. There is a chance that their plan from higher up via the Zane's involves Nika, and that's why he's there.
Along with that, there is the potential for Marla and Noji to know each other. Marla wanting to have therapy with Nika, while NOT having therapy with Vic is really quite interesting. Maybe Marla has some other thing with Nika's history via Summer that we don't know yet.
Yep, the bookclub is super interesting. I'd say Jenna, Emilia, Katie, Charlie and Adri at least know what's going on. Also, the fact that Robin calls Adrianna Adri at one point implies that she's well known even if she seems an odd fit to the club, so she's one to keep an eye on also. Someone mentioned that Willi had an aunt Jenna, so that could also be interesting.
Nojiko knows everyone (and everything about Nika and Nami's past) and i think they owe heir for taking them in. I furthermore think that Nojiko doesnt accept any money from the Zane's because she dont want to be involved with criminal stuff or money. And i think thats why she doesnt want them to connect again as she doesnt want Nika to become a drug selling criminal too lmao.
I mean this whole universe was originally called the zaneverse by ocean lol it wouldnt surprise me if Sasha, Nami, Nika, Vanessa, Aziz, dwight, (maybe robin), ayua & adrianna and her other siblings are all half or siblings and probably many more.
Good point about adrianna by the way esp as it was stated that it was her first visit of the bookclub (Katie dragged her along).
Its kinda sad that Noji never was at home when Ayua visited, i would have liked to see their reactions. I still could imagine Noji being related to Miru but at some point decided to steer away from all the criminal stuff.
I think coach hill his is kinda instructed/advised by Katie, we know they had a talk about the possiblity of becoming first team coaches.
Miss Marla wanting to have therapy with Nika is strange i agree, i always thought it was about the gun incident but it isnt there anymore, now im kinda clueless (maybe shes his real mom
im joking)Yeah hes either willys son or its the biggest red herring, his whole body type looks very much like william too.
Not sure if it helps any and which education system ocean used for his world but just for information in germany its like this:
6-12 - elementary school
13-16 - grammar school (depending on your grades this is already graduation and end of school for most)
16-18/19 - Gymnasium (no clue how to call it in english)
If you completed all three youre able to attend a university afterwards.
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Personally i want my MC to be a blank slate, not come in with a default pre-packaged personality especially one that clashes this much with being a likeable guy. Different doesnt always mean better.
Thats my problem i thinkk Ocean wrote himself in a corner here, the game has a ton of potential sex/romance options. The gallery alone has entries for 26 girls and that doesnt even include all of them like you have all the Milfs that we met from the last episode of which a handful of will eventually become a fuck/romance option so we are looking at the minimun of the MC potentially fucking 30+ girls in the game.
Thats why i think Ocean screwed himself over with the pacing, because how are we gonna accomplish that if the MC does not turn into a sex machine? I dont think people are prepared how weird this game is gonna be once the MCs dick starts working again, he is literally gonna go from 0 to 100 immediately.
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idk maybe it's just me but I never once thought the MC is going to potentially have sex with everyone or even 1/2 of them just cause they are on the screen. I always kind of assumed alot of them won't be romanceable or fuckable since from what I know this isn't meant to be a harem game. That's why I don't really see him turning into a sex machine but yeah if he is going to then yeah you are right.
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Nah, not here. This is the correct thread for your question because is related with the Mc of this game.
Is just that i have seen you in the other thread and i have taken your question like a proof for later go to the other thread.
Now that you are mentioning it yeah, would make sense.
I don´t know if Ocean thinks in make times-jumps in the plot but i hope not, i´m not very fan of that. But i understand sometimes is needed.
And yeah, Nick being a good guy is important for Nika, having a father figure could be good for him.
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And you're killing me with this curiosity!
Again, nice post, again no reacts left. I think we *mostly* see things the same, we just have different scales that we measure by.
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I mean what is the point of them having their gallery entry? Unless Ocean changes his mind at which point all those girls he teased about would just end up being only that and that would get a bunch of other people upset. The book club alone from the last episode is a massive tease that introduces a bunch of new characters many of who will clearly be fuckable, hell one of them even gets your number.
I dunno dude, as i said i dont know how Ocean is gonna write this without making a huge clusterfuck. If your theory is indeed correct and most girls are there just for show, that will cause an even bigger shitstorm lol.
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Now you are going off topic lol.
Anyway the point is there is little to no pushback on the MC of this game sucking ass. He is fairly terrible and his "growth" is extremely slow to non-existent so i dont expect my mind to change on him that soon, if only i didnt have to see his face that often with that ridiculous anime haircut.
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Well, that's new, didn't payed attention. Last time I used those unpackers (it was a while ago, can't remember which one exactly. or I mistaken it with something else?) they would clean up rpa's after extracting, but now that you said, they are indeed left behind.
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he is just sensitive young man like me
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You, along with the rest of Ocean's defenders, rushed to justify the stupid act where he cut out all the scenes for adults. Do you really think that anyone here cares about your words, and if the defenders said that a porn game without adult scenes is normal, then everyone will immediately listen to you? You are hypocrites, if you don’t like porn, what are you doing on the forum of one of the porn games? Only defenders make excuses that they don’t come to a porn site for the sake of porn...... With this one phrase you are already making yourself look like idiots. This is the most stupid and pathetic attempt to justify the developer that I have ever heard.
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One of the most interesting. He's quite unrealistic, it's true, just look at his anti-gravity haircut, but he's one of the best.
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I think he would actually benefit from being more sensitive if anything, he is like a walking emotionless, charisma void.he is just sensitive young man like me
I mean in the sense that it's interesting just how much i wanna punch him in the face. His haircut has a more interesting character arc than him.
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Have seen some discussion about Bella and the Stephan, so thought about trowing my 2 cents in the conversation, the first time I played I did not give much crendice to Bella accusations about him, for me Bella was just being petty and jealous of Amber replaying it... It is possible that Stephan has involvement in what ever went down with Bella sister or worse had done something to Bella herself as a child ? Pedophilia is not a light accusation and Bella seems segure about that, not saying that she was SA but maybe he has done something to her at some point ? I don't think so but is a thought that has pop up in my mind reading Ch 2.
Still about some discussion that have seen is the thread that find interesting to discuss, at this point I am assuming that everybody know everybody except Nami and Nika, Trey might be a lost Zane or Rivera for all that I know, but more than that, everyone of power knows Nami and Nika, Vanessa know Mila for some reason, the interesting aspect of this is that there are action happening that we don't know about. The coches are plotting against the first team with Zane approvel - and a remark that in ZPR rules are a little more than guidelines - the Holgerson are framing Mila, Ceril sister is bending the law to arrest Bella and Nojiko is hiding more than we suspect we only know a fraction of what is happening and even less of what happened. I think that next chapter will shine a little more light with Auya sparing lesson, if Kate have gone out of her way to see Nami she will no lost the opportunity to interact with Nika.
Another thought that has pop up in my head - that I don't much believe in - is that we know that Nami is bissexual, maybe Nami was not in love with Nika but with Summer ? I don't think that if fit perfectly but if so the entire perception of the fandom about what happened between them are wrong, if anything is a good food for thoughts.
Still about some discussion that have seen is the thread that find interesting to discuss, at this point I am assuming that everybody know everybody except Nami and Nika, Trey might be a lost Zane or Rivera for all that I know, but more than that, everyone of power knows Nami and Nika, Vanessa know Mila for some reason, the interesting aspect of this is that there are action happening that we don't know about. The coches are plotting against the first team with Zane approvel - and a remark that in ZPR rules are a little more than guidelines - the Holgerson are framing Mila, Ceril sister is bending the law to arrest Bella and Nojiko is hiding more than we suspect we only know a fraction of what is happening and even less of what happened. I think that next chapter will shine a little more light with Auya sparing lesson, if Kate have gone out of her way to see Nami she will no lost the opportunity to interact with Nika.
Another thought that has pop up in my head - that I don't much believe in - is that we know that Nami is bissexual, maybe Nami was not in love with Nika but with Summer ? I don't think that if fit perfectly but if so the entire perception of the fandom about what happened between them are wrong, if anything is a good food for thoughts.
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About the Pedophilia accusation i think is important too. My first thought is that Stephan tried something with Bella´s sister or Bella herself but they didn´t say anything to Amber for whatever reason, maybe for embarrassment, sexual agression´s victims ususally are embarrassed about what happened and don´t want to tell nothing, or scared. Or maybe Bella knows something about Stephan and a minor and she just is disgusted about that , who knows...
Nami liking Summer and not Nika is something interesting too, i didn´t think about that, but i think Nami changing her hair style and copy Summer is a proof that indicates more that Nami was trying to copy her for try to obtain Nika´s interest again, and there is the theory about Nami and Nika having some type of relationship between them , is an interesting theory too.