zvingo

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Try re-downloading then unzipping the new download again.
I just did a fresh new playthrough and had no problems (not using any mods but I am using the old walkthrough, even though it was for Beta version it still works and almost everything is still there, so use that as a guide instead of any walkthrough mods if you are using them)
Try re-downloading then unzipping the new download again.
I've done it twice and the result is the same. I'm not using any mods, I've even deleted all the old saves..
 

John972

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I'm out of reaction but nice observations (y)
The first day would look interesting without Nami. Let's try to enact it.

Nika gets to ZPR on his own. He'd have no excuse to talk to Bella (she wouldn't prank Nami).
He'd go straight to the basketball tryouts flyers where he'd meet Trey. This bit of dialogue makes Nika look interested already in joining the team.
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He meets Mila after that. It's bound to happen as she comes say hi to Trey.
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From there he'd go to the auditorium and meet Jeff, who asks him a question.
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Nami butts in now in the original game.
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But Nami isn't present in our scenario. Nika would say no to Jeff and Jeff would still invite him to the gym cause he's an expansive guy.
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It's announced that orientation isn't mandatory.
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I'm an optimist and think Nika would stay with the group a little longer, but worst case scenario let's say he leaves.
Jeff would talk about the basketball team at the gym and spark Nika's interest.
Furthermore, Nika would spend time at ZPR with him and Trey and get more inspired by them to join the tryouts.
Nika would get acquainted with all the girls as this happens with slight variations from the original game.
SG would be worse but it could work without Nami.
Nice points. I have no doubt that basketball would have brought Nika out of his shell eventually, but it's still a question of his willingness to engage with others outside of that, without the nudging of Nami.

The erasure of the Nami uniform prank is interesting in this alternate scenario because I suspect Nika was always going to be teamed up with Bella in class (i.e. it wasn't random, it was planned by Nojiko/Amber/Marla behind Nika and Bella's backs). In that case, how would Nika have bonded with Bella in the alternate scenario, and, outside of Jeff, would Nika get an outside perspective on Bella's character and bitchiness?
 
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DLC? lol what?

Also does the uncensor patch undo all the steam BS like bringing back the Nami hot tub scene?
 

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Try re-downloading then unzipping the new download again.
I've done it twice and the result is the same. I'm not using any mods, I've even deleted all the old saves..
Hmm... Try downloading from a different place/link? From the links provided on the first post, try gofile maybe?
 
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it's still a question of his willingness to engage with others outside of that, without the nudging of Nami.
It would be a slower process especially at first but he’d make it as he comes out of his shell and he attends Amber’s sessions.
Something to consider, Nika and Noji’s relationship would be different if Nami wasn’t there. He would feel more responsibility towards Noji and that he needs to make right by her and grow above his weakness.
In that case, how would Nika have bonded with Bella in the alternate scenario, and, outside of Jeff, would Nika get an outside perspective on Bella's character and bitchiness?
Nika and Bella’s relationship would start off less rocky without Nami’s prank but she would still bully him for his appearance and low social status. They’d go together to Bella’s house where they’d have the fight over Bella’s sister and everything else would stay unmutated between them from there.
He’d gain another outside perspective on Bella from Mila just like it happens in the game.
 
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I dunno bro, I think people should be allowed to voice their opinions. To me "um accascuse me, that was asked on page 12 etc already lol *emoji* shut up" type replies over and over are infinitely more annoying. 5 years of dev time on, obv people who care enough to find this forum will repeat points when they exist.

When the female characters are all hyper sexualized, and are put in sexual situations, people are going to ask it. "OMG shut up" is still clogging up discussion, it just also makes people look like pricks.

Preview screenshots, promotional materials, majority of it has tna, then people spend 15 hours on the game and not only don't get it, but prior content is removed.

I think referencing any other property is blasphemy here, so in general terms imo if ocean or his fans wanted to avoid "where sex", and its going to be story over sex, the characters should have been made semi realistic body and clothing wise, and it shouldnt have half the promo screenshots be ass. You can't sell a game up front on sex, and then be upset people ask where's the sex. When half the characters up front look like porn game characters instead of just hot girls, I mean c'mon. You can know it's a slow burn but also think it's kind of dumb, you don't have to take a hard stance or act like a schoolyard bully.

This is also the only real forum for quite a few adult games for people to have any chance of voicing complaints without being banned (usually) or dogpiled as heathens, so if not here, then where? I mean I don't mean to be rude, I like it here and there's cool dudes, but if you're not allowed to voice petty complaints you ought as well just join the discord or whatever, never voice dissent or say basically anything, consume content and wait for next content instead of defending the dev and hating criticism, on a piracy site (?)
Yeah, people can voice opinions, but look at it from the perspective of people that come to this thread often.

I could create a topic list of the one-sentence complaints/questions that get repeated ad nauseam in this thread. Maybe some of those posters think they're being original or pointing out/asking something for the first time (such posts are usually a sign the poster hasn't bothered to at least check the last couple of thread pages for information/perspective or to see if their question has already been answered. Asking questions and responding to another post aside, single-sentence declarative statements (such as "this game is suit for cock blocked fans") usually don't add anything new or worthwhile to the thread; they just feed the posters' own narcissism. It would be no different if I made a single-sentence post in this thread that said, "I love Nami." What value does that statement add to the thread and community?).

Reading the same single-sentence exposition again and again in this thread does get tiresome. Add to that, there are trolls who stalk this thread who make exactly the same kind of statements... often.
 
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It would be a slower process especially at first but he’d make it as he comes out of his shell and he attends Amber’s sessions.
Something to consider, Nika and Noji’s relationship would be different if Nami wasn’t there. He would feel more responsibility towards Noji and that he needs to make right by her and grow above his weakness.

Nika and Bella’s relationship would start off less rocky without Nami’s prank but she would still bully him for his appearance and low social status. They’d go together to Bella’s house where they’d have the fight over Bella’s sister and everything else would stay unmutated between them from there.
He’d gain another outside perspective on Bella from Mila just like it happens in the game.
I'm just not sure Nika would interact will Mila the same in our "alternate scenario" without Nami's presence on that first day. You mention Nika first met Mila with Trey, but he also abandoned them moments later without warning. i still contend - no Nami, no Nika joining the group on the sports field.

Both Jeff and Mila recognize that Nika is broken and sympathize because of that. Yet, if Nika interacted with them alone initially and gave them the cold shoulder treatment, at what point would Jeff and Mila just say, "F^^k this!" and stay away from him?

...and, yes, I know this is only a game and we are discussing hypotheticals. Nevertheless, this conversation is pushing me toward a greater appreciation of Nami, no matter what (as yet undeclared) bad shit she did in the past.
 

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It’s different with Sasha. Say Amber and Nick, they’re open minded people, they don’t care that Nika comes from an ordinary family. We haven’t met Sasha’s family but they give the opposite impression, she has a bodyguard and admits to feeling oppressed. I assume a similar dynamic as with Summer’s parents will develope with Sasha’s family, where they’ll disapprove of Nika and make it harder for the two of them to be together.
It was mentioned a couple days back that Sasha might move far away in the future. Maybe cause her parents don’t want her to associate with Nika anymore and use that ploy to keep them apart.
But love will find a way for me to reunite with her :love:


Outta reactions :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO: Thank god Sasha’s boobs don’t look nothing like Vic’s, more like Vic lost the lottery :KEK:
I see Sasha as the opposite of Vic.

Vic will apparently gravitate toward Nika even if he remains a total asshole. I expect she's "made" that way to be the universal throuple enabler.

On the other hand, I cannot see Sasha showing romantic interest in Nika if he remains an asshole (I don't believe she would reject him for lack of wealth or social standing if she fell in love).

Outside of that, I think things said by Sasha (her personal interpretation of the Panda/Butterfly story) in the bookclub scene do set up a later scenario where she could become romantically attracted to a non-asshole Nika, but they find resistance to their coupling from her family. Having said that, a lot will depend on Nika's true origins (i.e. his parents)... whatever they may be.

ADDITION: Sasha's interpretation of the Panda-Butterfly story:

"But they both come from different places, grew up with different socializations and... Opposites can attract each other. But I don't see a future for them. And yet, they never lost hope. They go against what's deemed morally accepted. They do what they want... What they think is right... No matter who might dare to lay rules upon them."
 
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Speaking of Sasha I don't know why but after that scene with her in the book club helping the Nika. I get the feeling once you get to know her she will end up being a nicer and maybe even a better person than Victoria who is a sweetheart already.
 

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I see Sasha as the opposite of Vic.

Vic will apparently gravitate toward Nika even if he remains a total asshole. I expect she's "made" that way to be the universal throuple enabler.

On the other hand, I cannot see Sasha showing romantic interest in Nika if he remains an asshole (I don't believe she would reject him for lack of wealth or social standing if she fell in love).

Outside of that, I think things said by Sasha (her personal interpretation of the Panda/Butterfly story) in the bookclub scene do set up a later scenario where she could become romantically attracted to a non-asshole Nika, but they find resistance to their coupling from her family. Having said that, a lot will depend on Nika's true origins (i.e. his parents)... whatever they may be.
which is obvious to me that Mika and Sasha are, let's say, in the slander phase. On the surface they show their dislike for each other, but in short scenes their sympathy for each other briefly emerges.

Furthermore, I don't think Mika's origins will be the problem. Some evidence suggests that Nika (and Nami) come from very well-known houses.
 

yossa999

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I dunno bro, I think people should be allowed to voice their opinions.[...]
That's the problem, bro. Every new "critic" of the game, coming to this thread, for some reason considers themself a unique, inimitable snowflake that everyone should admire. From the outside it seems that you guys consider yourself missionaries in a pagan land, bringing the Light of Truth to these lost souls.

Unfortunately, I have to disappoint you. Everything you say has been discussed and re-discussed hundreds of times here and many people in this thread are simply tired of reading the same complaints for several years.

You can say: "if you don’t want to, don’t read, this is a public forum and I will write what I want as long as I remain within the forum rules." And I completely agree with you, give you a thumbs up and maybe even send you a sticker with a virtual beer. But there's just one thing. I am also on a public forum and will express my opinion in the same free way without any restrictions, with the exception of forum rules. And my opinion is the opposite of yours.

This is where the fun begins. You guys are very switft to criticize and give unfounded advice to the dev on how he should make his game, but suddenly you become so vulnerable and hurt when someone disagrees with you or tells you that they don't care what you think. You immediately move into defensive stance and start blaming those who disagree with you for limiting your ability to voice your criticism (I wonder how they can do this, no one except the moderators seems to have the right to edit or delete your posts.) You begin to call us, those who disagree with you, critics haters fanbois, zealots, ass-lickers, cock-gobblers. And sometimes you throw even the most terrible accusation of one of the deadly sins - defending the developer!

To me "um accascuse me, that was asked on page 12 etc already lol *emoji* shut up" type replies over and over are infinitely more annoying. 5 years of dev time on, obv people who care enough to find this forum will repeat points when they exist.
Since you mentioned these people who care enough to find this forum and will repeat points when they exist, and I think you are one of them, what I wrote above is just a boring repetition of myself, since I want you to understand where I'm coming from. I usually don't see any point in this discussion, since those who start it just want to throw shit on the fan. Therefore, I quietly put them on ignore and we coexist perfectly in this thread, without talking or noticing each other. But you seem to have joined this thread recently and are apparently sincerely surprised by such a reaction to your post.

I think referencing any other property is blasphemy here, so in general terms imo if ocean or his fans wanted to avoid "where sex", and its going to be story over sex, the characters should have been made semi realistic body and clothing wise, and it shouldnt have half the promo screenshots be ass. You can't sell a game up front on sex, and then be upset people ask where's the sex. When half the characters up front look like porn game characters instead of just hot girls, I mean c'mon. You can know it's a slow burn but also think it's kind of dumb, you don't have to take a hard stance or act like a schoolyard bully.
Nice. What Ocean thinks, you can ask him, but as one of those who like his games and who you apparently call his "fans" (I swear I don't have his merch t-shirt!) I can answer that question for you on the part addressed to the "fans".

First, spit in the lying faces of those who told you that I want to avoid "sex when"-ers. I don't give a damn about them, they can expect what they want, these are their own expectations, not what the developer promised. Read this if you haven't yet
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So if people can't grasp the meaning of a few simple lines of text, that's their problem, not mine or the dev's.

Second. It’s much funnier that you understand this perfectly well, but since he’s not going to give you sex scenes in the first season, you demand from the developer that he make the girls less attractive, dress them in less provocative and erotic clothes and forbid them to wag their asses. What the hell, dude? Have you decided to create a morality police for us here? :KEK:
You can't handle the teasing and flirting from beautiful girls, that's your problem, you can just close your eyes and run away from here. Yep, these girls love to wear provocative dresses, one of them is even a cam girl. This doesn't mean she'll give you some just because she looks slutty to you. :KEK:
I mean I don't mean to be rude, I like it here and there's cool dudes, but if you're not allowed to voice petty complaints you ought as well just join the discord or whatever, never voice dissent or say basically anything, consume content and wait for next content instead of defending the dev and hating criticism, on a piracy site (?)
Oh man. Of course you can express whatever you want, criticism, complaints, wishes, whatever. But this is not enough for you, you also need others to agree with you and not show you their irritation, disagreement, or simply lack of any interest in your opinion. That's the problem with all local critics, they don't mind the echo chamber, they want it, they just don't like what it sounds like now.

Most people are annoyed not by the "criticism," but the endless repetition of the same complaints every day, without breaks or days off. What are you, guys, trying to achieve, hypnotize those who like the game? A sneaky trick, lads.

I mean, what you call critics, I consider nothing more than complaints. Criticism presupposes a constructive position, a willingness to find a solution that suits all interested parties. You guys are just pushing your agenda: “We want porn! We don't care about developer quirks about plot, relationship building, characters development, coherence of the story, music, whatever. Dev just makes lame excuses for blueballing us. Give us some pussy! Immediately! Sex or GTFO!"

Okay, you know better than Ocean what his game should look like, how the plot should develop, how he should handle lewd content.It's bullshit, but I pretend to believe it. Well, what next? We are pathetic fanbois, of course, so here we discuss the game, admire the screenshots, praise Ocean and do all these things that fanbois are supposed to do.

So what about you? Well, you wrote something you don’t like in the game, gave the dev some virtual lessons of how he should approach to the game making, complained about the lack of understanding and unprogressiveness of the residents of the thread. That's all? I'm not convinced to change my mind and join the crusade against Ocean. But if you would go to the Ocean's Discord and convince him to change the game the way you want, or create a crowdfunding project "The Real Summer's Gone" with all these blackjack and hookers you talked about, then sure, that would be very convincing!

But instead, in the meantime, you are simply suggesting that those who do not agree with your complaints get out of this thread to his Discord. Thanks pal, but we're good.

And the last thing, if you’ve read this far, of course. To be honest, I don’t really understand why you wrote all this in response to the Mr_Mister's post? He seems to be the opposite, speaking out against those who are against complaining about the lack of sex. :KEK:
 

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DLC? lol what?

Also does the uncensor patch undo all the steam BS like bringing back the Nami hot tub scene?
Why not? I'm sure most people treat these DLCs simply as an opportunity to support Ocean and the soundtrack artists (iirc he wrote that he splits revenue from music DLCs with them 50/50)
 

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You keep saying that Bella needs to face consequences for her actions. Tell me, what are the horrible things she’s done? Let’s start with the bullying. It wasn’t nice but I’ve seen much worse cases of bullying that would certainly deserve harsher consequences than what she faced. I repeat, she has been reproached by Nika and the people around her and has suffered enough for it to see the error in her ways. She’s still justly considered a bad person in Wollust, an important plot point in the future, trying to prove people wrong despite the past. All of this is a good way to show that she has a conscience and isn’t a bad person at heart and it’s good storytelling, what other consequences do you want on that side?
Let’s move on from the bullying and delve further. You talk about rules of fiction but you vastly overestimate Bella’s badness in doing so. She isn’t some villain who deserves to be hit extremely hard by the plot, but she is a rash person and will suffer because of that. There’s no “magic bubble” that protects her as opposed to what you say, as seen with the intervention of Ceril’s sister and the appearance of her rival. She’s bound to face a lot of danger in the future at the hands of the enemies she herself has created. The biggest enemy of Bella is Bella herself as seen with the heist and illegal racing and who knows what else she’ll do in the future. She will pay the price for her actions.
There are bad acts and there are stupid acts. The heist, the use of Vanessa, and their "brilliant" plan to destroy the Holgerson family are mostly stupid acts, but that doesn't make them any less malicious. No doubt, if Vanessa had turned out to be that dumbo bimbo, they would have tried to put their plan into action.

The Mila situation, before which Nika is already plotting his revenge, is his excuse. Bella doesn't care about her and isn't close to him when she agrees to the plan. Her excuses are Amber and blind hatred.

There is no evidences that Stefan desires her mother or that he is a pedophile. Bella throws around serious accusations without adding any value to them even in the form of arguments. She accuses Stefan of being a pedophile, but does so in such a short form and never returns to it again though this pedophile socialises with her mother. Someone will find it unreasonable for me to focus so much attention on this moment, but I have a suspicion that this is a bait for trusting players. It's like thoughts just pop up in her mind as excuses for more hate. This makes her descriptions of other characters less trustworthy, this also applies to her description of Vanessa. Overall, even if Stefan lusts after Amber, their plan remains horrible.

Bella knows that Vanessa is Zara's sister who is her classmate and former friend. She doesn't mind using her anyway. Despite the fact that Vanessa has nothing to do with what is going on between them and the Holgersons. She's just Mario's girlfriend, she is innocent in this part of the story.

But no extra thought. Let's just do it.

For some reason, Bella feels no remorse for these acts. How so? She's a better person, she felt so sorry when she humiliated that poor woman in the restroom. What an interesting, selective sense of conscience she has. It feels like as long as Bella's atrocities don't involve her personally and aren't committed in front of her, she's fine with them. After all, she is afraid the old pervert will seduce her mother, but she is alright with giving him the other woman. That alone is completely fucked up. So no, she doesn't see the error in her ways yet. She's totally blind.

Nika who functions as her conscience remains silent on that matter too and only sounds the alarm when they are at risk being fucked by Vanessa for their imbecility. What a great man, literally a messiah who appeared to guide Bella on the right path... with a blindfold and on his hands so she would not see that they were walking over people's heads. He should look in the mirror and take the beam out of his eye. What a hypocritical, brainless piece of shit. I love it. His view on Bella is biased, has no real weight and indicates nothing significant about real changes. The same goes for his self-view.

I must have made a mistake when I placed William but not Nika after Leia. Good for Nick that her daughter is so suspicious. Who knows what other scumbags might be on their doorstep next time.

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Am I vastly overestimating Bella's badness?

I want to especially emphasise that they're not learning any lessons from the situation with Vanessa. Their plan fails, they shrug their shoulders and move on. They will do it again if a suitable target comes to hand.

Bella studied the Holgersons house before the events. She knows the layout of the building and the exact positions of the security cameras. She was preparing to break into their property. And this isn't her first heist, she has experience.

I never called her a villian. But I consider her a terrible person.
After writing that all, I'm not even sure she's better than Vanessa.

The plot should hit her not because she does bad things in the first place, but because she does things that by common sense should have far-reaching consequences. She's a criminal, she broke the law, she crossed powerful people. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Consequences are not necessarily punishment for bad actions and are not necessarily justified. But since this is a story about healing, I suppose these consequences must have some moral basis.

Now you seem to agree with me on that. But earlier you wrote, "She doesn’t deserve to be punished further for her actions, her guilt is enough punishment." And then you continued to press the point that she has regrets and feelings. You didn't call it a "magic bubble" but that's essentially what follows from what you were saying.

Good storytelling? Can't say yet.
I hope Ocean understands what he writes.
Because if he doesn't... bruh.


BobTheDuck,
Are we still certain Vanessa is a more bad person than Bella?
Personally I'm not sure now. It seems Bella has a very rich list.
Oh, I forgot, she has regrets. Which she turns off whenever she pleases.
But seriously. She literally planned to corrupt a woman and destroy a family.
Where's the lesser evil here? Yes, Vanessa shoved a buttplug in Mario's ass.
How? We can only make assumptions. Unlike with Bella.
 
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