VN Ren'Py Summer's Gone [S1 Steam + DLC] [Oceanlab]

[mostwanted8]

As far as I remember it was never said she was dead. With the last updates (around the bookclub visit I think) we just see Bella reading here comatose sister from a book.

Ok. As I said, I remembered she was dead.

 

[N1ghtcrawler]

I don't believe Bella to be such a threat in general. She is a sociopath, but she is not a psychopath. The main difference between the two, if recall correctly is that psychopath are unable to feel empathy. Bella does show empathy and guilt when they hurt that woman innthe bathroom.

Vanessa, on the other hand, has had simply too little screen time to make a comparison. Yet, from what its seen, she is clearly a bigger threat that Bella could ever be. The fact that Bella is trying to get close to her and fail to see Vanessa's nature implies Vanessa would eat her alive if they were fighting on equal grounds. She also seems to show no regret in manipulating people. If anything, she seems proud. Including her BF. More on the psychopath than on the sociopath scale.

Now, and this IS plot, but in the end, so far, this is not a Vanessa vs Bella situation. Vanessa is a means to an end for Bella and MC and unlike Bella, MC did figured out Vanessa's nature. To be fair, mainly becuase Vanessa wanted him to know. But also Bella is way more likely to have real friends like MC and Ayua than Vanessa. Which is a strength. Vanessa can pretend to be friend with someone, but thise things eventually dont last.

Hold on! Let me put on my smart-ass glasses.

Mostwanted and I have already discussed the topic sociopath/psychopath. Here, here.

My words, in brief, there is no established distinction between a psychopath and a sociopath. Some people say sociopaths are more prone to aggression and psychopaths are lack empathy and are more calculating, others say the opposite. In medical psychiatry there is only antisocial personality disorder, psychopathy and sociopathy are synonyms. In general, sociopath is just a popularised term used in different contexts.

In criminal psychiatry, antisocial personality disorder and psychopath are sometimes separated. A person with APD has a much higher risk of suicide than a psychopath who essentially should not have feelings of remorse and guilt. Simply put, a person with APD could be Bella and a psychopath is a typical recidivist criminal or a serial killer who also does not suffer from other disorders that can provoke a suicide attempt. Vanessa doesn't fit the description of psychopaths because they are very impulsive and aggressive.

I believe that Bella may have APD (or sociopathy, whatever). At first I was leaning more towards Vanessa being a sociopath and I'm still admitting that possibility, but then I read the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (the US personality disorders manual) and now I'm pretty sure she has narcissistic personality disorder.

Yes, she shares some traits common to sociopaths/psychopaths. But her predominant personality trait is narcissism.

"People with antisocial and narcissistic personality disorders are tough-minded, exploitative, manipulative, egocentric, and deceptive. Vanessa has all these traits. However, narcissistic personality disorder does not always include impulsivity and aggressive. Vanessa is actually pretty bad at hiding her negative emotions, but she can control herself. When Nika makes verbal attacks towards her, she shows this angry face and then tries to cover her dissatisfied reaction behind a fake smile. She would be much more hot-tempered if she had APD. She also doesn't have any history of bad behavior in childhood or criminal behavior in adulthood, at least we don't know anything about it. Otherwise her childhood would be more like the one Leia and William had. Vanessa with APD is basically Leia minus her affection for her brother. Finally, people with APD do not crave admiration and envy and do not reflect it on others as passionately as Vanessa does.

She is obsessed with self-praise and self-love to the point where she more-likely sees it as the purpose of her life. It's the difference between being a narcissist and having a narcissistic disorder. We all know she's a narcissist, but it's one thing to have a tendency toward it, and another to have it as a major trait that interferes your daily life."

Here is my more detailed post about that. Open the description of narcissistic personality disorder under the spoiler, it's basically a detailed description of Vanessa.


I agree about Vanessa being more dangerous than Bella. Hell, I even think that Vanessa might be more dangerous than Leia. And Vanessa is definitely the most intelligent of them, while Bella is far behind of both. But I don't think that more dangerous = worse person. I think so far Bella has shown herself to be much more awful than Vanessa. But from what we know about Vanessa she may be worse.

Vanessa is the better character for me and you.

Damn straight!

I wouldn’t care if she turns out worst than Bella in did too, I’d still like her

I care.

 

[Deleted member 6168082]

I guess we'll see what else Nick can bring to the story, besides beautiful daughters. In my book he's off to a good start, but we'll see what Ocean cooks up for him. If he's decent to Nojiko I'm perfectly ok with him, if he hurts her- then he goes down painfully. Nick, that is. Not Ocean.

The one Nika was handcuffed too seemed a little ditzy while her sister tried to make her stop making things worse. That's all I meant. I don't think I have seen them in any other scenes, so maybe it was just in that one.

Pretty much, yes. All the girls are gorgeous in this game, doesn't mean I want to bang them.

Definitely agree on the number of girls, and add in WiaB and I'm quickly loosing track.

Yeah, he seems "too" good. Like, Mr. Perfect. They didn't argue yet? (maybe still in a lovey dovey phase) we will definitely see. Pretty sure in Season 2 we'll get more info. Since she did say he wanted to meet the MC and Nami, we'll probably get a scene or so with that.

I still can't stop shaking the feeling that Noji wants the MC lol. Then that kiss she gives him while not covering herself up, like (look at my boobies!) idk. If Nick is fine, Noji is definitely sending some weird signals to the MC or the player, whichever. I could just be looking into it too much, idk.

Eh, I don't remember how exactly it played it in the locker room, it's been a long while. I guess it's one of those, one Twin is smart, clever, etc while the other one is ditzy and whatnot. You see them here and there in earlier scenes, you just have to pay attention. I know I definitely saw them around lol

I agree. I like who I like, I don't go for just the appearance alone. I'm not a shallow person who mainly just focuses on the looks of someone and not the whole package. What do you hear half the time from someone in a relationship? how their partner is an asshole/bitch/liar etc. They only focused on the looks of the person, not the complete package.

I guess I'm glad I don't play WIAB then. But I do play other ones so, it doesn't matter lol. I'll just try to remember the ones I am actually on the paths for.

About the Update/Patch for Steam version. Could be just fixes etc

" Pretty much just typos etc. If there is no announcement with the patch it's mostly just typos/bug fixes."

One of the mods posted that.

 

[Trojaner]

Nice Mods over there at Steam SG Discussions ... We where just interested what the new Update is again since nothing was written. Mod came, said if nothing was posted just small fixes and shortly after he deleted the Fred ... Even more Hardcore then the Mods here.

 

[prodigalsunz]

Nice Mods over there at Steam SG Discussions ... We where just interested what the new Update is again since nothing was written. Mod came, said if nothing was posted just small fixes and shortly after he deleted the Fred ... Even more Hardcore then the Mods here.

Yeah that thread got removed real quick.

 

[Doomyk]

My alignment tier list

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[N1ghtcrawler]

My alignment tier list

Cool idea. Maybe I will try to do it too.

But why is Sasha chaotic but not lawful?
Kate, Nami, Nadia and Zara are chaotic, imo

 

[Jarulf]

Yeah, he seems "too" good. Like, Mr. Perfect. They didn't argue yet? (maybe still in a lovey dovey phase) we will definitely see. Pretty sure in Season 2 we'll get more info. Since she did say he wanted to meet the MC and Nami, we'll probably get a scene or so with that.

They did meet in my playthrough. Nika interacted more with his daughters and Nami, but Nick seemed perfectly nice.

I don't really get that feeling from Nojika, perhaps Ocean hasn't made up his mind about her yet. But, I could be reading it wrong too.

I agree. I like who I like, I don't go for just the appearance alone. I'm not a shallow person who mainly just focuses on the looks of someone and not the whole package.

Absolutely. Appearance is obviously important for first impressions, and may play a role if I like two girls equally (and can't have both in a game). That said, petite dark-haired girls with small boobs do catch my attention easier than big blondes with huge boobs.

I guess I'm glad I don't play WIAB then. But I do play other ones so, it doesn't matter lol. I'll just try to remember the ones I am actually on the paths for.

If you are referring to Nojika here, she isn't in WiaB (yet) as far as I can remember. It's a great game though, definitely recommend it. It's not as far along as this one, but I think I may prefer it.

 

[Trojaner]

Well ... nothing importend but image ee219 was changed with the update. and some small fixes on other files.

 

[Ayhsel]

Hold on! Let me put on my smart-ass glasses.

Mostwanted and I have already discussed the topic sociopath/psychopath. Here, here.

My words, in brief, there is no established distinction between a psychopath and a sociopath. Some people say sociopaths are more prone to aggression and psychopaths are lack empathy and are more calculating, others say the opposite. In medical psychiatry there is only antisocial personality disorder, psychopathy and sociopathy are synonyms. In general, sociopath is just a popularised term used in different contexts.

In criminal psychiatry, antisocial personality disorder and psychopath are sometimes separated. A person with APD has a much higher risk of suicide than a psychopath who essentially should not have feelings of remorse and guilt. Simply put, a person with APD could be Bella and a psychopath is a typical recidivist criminal or a serial killer who also does not suffer from other disorders that can provoke a suicide attempt. Vanessa doesn't fit the description of psychopaths because they are very impulsive and aggressive.

I believe that Bella may have APD (or sociopathy, whatever). At first I was leaning more towards Vanessa being a sociopath and I'm still admitting that possibility, but then I read the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (the US personality disorders manual) and now I'm pretty sure she has narcissistic personality disorder.

Yes, she shares some traits common to sociopaths/psychopaths. But her predominant personality trait is narcissism.

"People with antisocial and narcissistic personality disorders are tough-minded, exploitative, manipulative, egocentric, and deceptive. Vanessa has all these traits. However, narcissistic personality disorder does not always include impulsivity and aggressive. Vanessa is actually pretty bad at hiding her negative emotions, but she can control herself. When Nika makes verbal attacks towards her, she shows this angry face and then tries to cover her dissatisfied reaction behind a fake smile. She would be much more hot-tempered if she had APD. She also doesn't have any history of bad behavior in childhood or criminal behavior in adulthood, at least we don't know anything about it. Otherwise her childhood would be more like the one Leia and William had. Vanessa with APD is basically Leia minus her affection for her brother. Finally, people with APD do not crave admiration and envy and do not reflect it on others as passionately as Vanessa does.

She is obsessed with self-praise and self-love to the point where she more-likely sees it as the purpose of her life. It's the difference between being a narcissist and having a narcissistic disorder. We all know she's a narcissist, but it's one thing to have a tendency toward it, and another to have it as a major trait that interferes your daily life."

Here is my more detailed post about that. Open the description of narcissistic personality disorder under the spoiler, it's basically a detailed description of Vanessa.


I agree about Vanessa being more dangerous than Bella. Hell, I even think that Vanessa might be more dangerous than Leia. And Vanessa is definitely the most intelligent of them, while Bella is far behind of both. But I don't think that more dangerous = worse person. I think so far Bella has shown herself to be much more awful than Vanessa. But from what we know about Vanessa she may be worse.

Damn straight!

I care.

Oh I see we have a fellow "scholar" on the website. I am going to go full snob here (even more, I know, what a diva, right? ) and say that is nice to read a detailed analysis like that.

Your detail of analysis between personality traits, however, is more advanced than what I know from medical terms so I will definitely read those other posts.

One thing, though. I think comparisons to Leia are at the moment impossible to make. We simply know too little about her, except that she seems to be ruthless if she has to and she is in love with her same day born "roomie". Well, and the fact she is clearly leading some criminal organization. But that says little about her personality except she is a criminal.

 

[yossa999]

No matter what twist Ocean has in mind involving Katie, no matter what dirty laundry he plans to pull out, my Nika will remain on Noji’s side. So, fellow WiAB-sters, keep your fiend on a leash!

Not only did she crawl into our cozy SG, but she also had the nerve to be rude to Noji! It's time for Nika to show off a real edgelord.

 

[TheReDeeMeR]

So the walkthrough Mod doesn't work with Incest patch?

 

[Doomyk]

Cool idea. Maybe I will try to do it too.

But why is Sasha chaotic but not lawful?
Kate, Nami, Nadia and Zara are chaotic, imo

As for Nami, she is hardly chaotic. She is a hare-like soul who follows rules and orders and is afraid to break them. The only thing that is controversial is the level of good-evil. That's why I set the bar so low on the scale of good.
Zara is there with her *honest* victory. Rules, norms and face are important to her.
Nadya is more of a question mark.
But Sasha is one of the biggest questions. It's a little early to judge her personality, but she seems to be a very kind person. However, due to her connection to the crime family and her *survival of the best*, I still classified her as a small level of chaos, for now.
Katie (Bella's enemy), despite her evilness, seems like a person who will not do evil directly because she is afraid of the consequences. That's why I don't put her as chaotic.

 

[Maviarab]

So, fellow WiAB-sters, keep your fiend on a leash!

The force of nature that is Katie cannot be constrained!

 

[Doomyk]

In general, the most pronounced chaotic ones in both games are Nika, Bella, Vanessa, William, and Leia. All of them do not care about norms, laws and the opinions of the majority (except for those closest to them, and then rather as an exception). All of them are definitely selfish, capable of breaking other people’s life and go over their heads. The only difference between Leia and the rest is that she looks like a person capable of cold-blooded murder for profit. Therefore, I would classify her as neutral-evil. The rest can steal, frame, beat, but certainly not kill cold-bloodedly. Unless in self-defense. This is the difference between anti-villains and anti-heroes. That's why I classified the others more as neutral-chaotic. But certainly not good characters.

 

[Ayhsel]

No matter what twist Ocean has in mind involving Katie, no matter what dirty laundry he plans to pull out, my Nika will remain on Noji’s side. So, fellow WiAB-sters, keep your fiend on a leash!

Not only did she crawl into our cozy SG, but she also had the nerve to be rude to Noji! It's time for Nika to show off a real edgelord.

Don't ask me to put Katie vs Nojiko because I might have a stroke.

 

[Ayhsel]

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The force of nature that is Katie cannot be constrained!

Who would want to constrain her? I want her unleashed!

 

[imthechad]

You got that wrong

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What we cannot stand any longer here are 3 things:

1. Claiming personal preferences are the "one truth".
2. Insulting the dev and the fans of the game and confusing this and raging and complaining about stuff they just heard from other complainers without even checking themselves for "constructive criticism".
3. The same people complaining after EVERY release about the same stuff as if they had amnesia since the last release. You don't like changes and remakes? Play something else and don't come back. You don't like the direction a VN is going story- or developmentwise? Play something else and don't come back. No amount of bitching will change anything in SG in the future.

and we have another white knight for summers gone, like i said we aint going no where, this is an open forum we have every right to be here giving our opinions about summers gone same as you, i'm so sorry we don't agree with you, but such is life not everyone will agree with everything we believe, thats the nature of a rational mind, is to understand people have different points of view even though we may not agree with them, we can hopefully come to a understanding, but not everyone has a mature mind to come to this mindset i accept that.

 

[Jarulf]

Don't ask me to put Katie vs Nojiko because I might have a stroke.

Sexy pillow fight, though. I would not mind that. But then I'm pretty tired now and probably shouldn't post stupid things no one would find amusing.

 

[alanrock]

Despite what evil tongues may say, Bella is unequivocally the sweetest and kindest soul. She is perfect just the way she is ...