I'm enjoying Ocean's creations, and he is, IMO, a very dependable dev.
I enjoyed SG season 1 and, for the most part, I enjoy the current version of SG more than I enjoyed the emo/edgelord mix of 2/3 years ago.
Do I miss some of the cinematography created with specific music in mind - yes, but it also gave us a taste of what Ocean can do with good music and hardware.
Am I aghast at the loss of some dick pics so Ocean could try to get a better rating on Steam - Nope.
i thought the modifications were to enable Ocean to sell in Germany, not necessarily on Steam, which has a hundred million customers outside of Germany.
accepting 2 simple facts will make accepting Oceans patterns much easier;
1 Ocean is a perfectionist.
2 He had a 'clear' vision of how he wanted certain things to look, and didn't have the hardware nor the software experience to make it the way he envisioned when he first made them.
luckily for us there are lots of other games to go thru between his updates, and some of them, like Eternum, Artemis, et al, are really good too.
i thought the modifications were to enable Ocean to sell in Germany, not necessarily on Steam, which has a hundred million customers outside of Germany.
accepting 2 simple facts will make accepting Oceans patterns much easier;
1 Ocean is a perfectionist.
2 He had a 'clear' vision of how he wanted certain things to look, and didn't have the hardware nor the software experience to make it the way he envisioned when he first made them.
luckily for us there are lots of other games to go thru between his updates, and some of them, like Eternum, Artemis, et al, are really good too.
Otto, would you please name one person who has claimed that the current S1 version doesn't have any flaws - that includes new plot holes due to rewritings, awful model renders, mainly due to misuse of the sculpting tool, overuse of the stutters in dialogs and so on and on. The game has flaws, it's obvious.
Or what exactly is "whiteknighting" that you see the people doing? Is it whiteknighting if you can still find a lot of positive aspects about the game that make the game better than the majority of all the games available on F95?
Or are they the people who aren't calling the game awful and unplayable because of the flaws it still has?
Or are they simply the people who refuse to sink to a level where they go ape shit and call others "white knights" and "cocksuckers" simply because they find more positive for themselves about the game than all the negative?
Otto, do you know how many years J. R. R. Tolkien spent rewriting his story of the rings until he managed to get rid of the majority of plot holes throughout the story? And he had help doing that, I believe. Of course, the universe he created was also much larger, but he had the same kind of problems.
And thanks for pointing out this particular plot hole. I admit, I missed this one. I guess, so did Oceans.
Are you telling us that Oceans should spend a couple years more at rewriting the story, until he gets rid of all the flaws?
Also, could you please name a couple of games where you haven't been able to find any flaws at all? Here, at F95? I'd love to see and try them. I'd appreciate it very much.
Why did you decide that everyone should prove their point of view using the example of other or similar games when you did not provide a single piece of evidence - such a respect di c... member! xdd
I mean people who kept telling that all this endless rewriting was a good thing and that HE HAD to do it because the game would have benefitted from it.
Rewriting is a thing that all writers do to improve their creations. Often to get rid of the plot holes. This is just a modern case where all (or just some of?) the rewrites have been publicly available.
He obviously tried to make his story better and in many ways, he did manage that. But some things did get worse, sure.
What improved and what got worse, in the end, the difference is only in the opinion of the balance any reader has - what do they like about the final version and what they don't.
Is it whiteknighting if your balance leans to the positive?
Do you have to call it whiteknighting if someone likes something despite the flaws?
Obviously, it still has a lot of problems. But was the original version any better? Are you sure that you remember the original this precisely to call it better? Have you compared them lately?
I haven't really compared them side-by-side, but I wouldn't dare to call it better without doing so. I tend to remember things I like and forget about the flaws. Most people do.
IMHO, he's been learning the whole time and has improved a lot in a lot of aspects of game development. Has he made mistakes? Obviously. Has he learned from them? Obviously has. Will he repeat the same mistakes? Doubt it. Will he make new ones? Highly likely. It's what learning is about.
Of course, I can’t understand the plot of the SG, because the developer has not yet inserted it into the game, and all the little things that are in the game change after each rework. You also don’t know what this game is about, like everyone else. Or did Ocean share the script for all the seasons with you?
Well, even in the mainstream movies with millions in revenue, there are inconsistencies and minor errors in the script and the scenes, and viewers find it very funny to search for such inconsistencies; there are even websites dedicated to this topic.
Obviously, SG has enough of typos, minor errors and inconsistencies in the script. People who like the game and want to improve it write to Ocean on Discord; After the game was released on Steam, the bug channel was filled with screenshots with typos and errors, and Ocean fixed many of these bugs. He is only human and prone to mistakes like everyone.
On the other hand, those who are still burning about the fact that he is making his own game and not continuing the Chapter 2 version are looking for anything to simply say: “Look, there is a small typo there, you see, a typo! No, this is completely unacceptable, this is what happens when you endlessly rework it, if only he had been smart, listened to us and did as we say..."
They forgive much more serious mistakes to developers who take into account their preferences, but not to Ocean. It’s good that he doesn’t care and he’s not even in the Zone anymore. It's bad that the thread is clogged with nonsense complaints.
But you know what's funny, this particular "continuity error" you're answering about doesn't seem to be such an error after all. Or even not an error at all.
Bullshit. Amber always talk about gala to Bella in front of Nika. I looked script in the v3.5, 4.5, 5-Beta, Season 1.
Version 3.5, Chapter2.rpy:
Python:
4820 bm "Oh and Bella, they invited us to their next party.. or was it a gala?"
4821 scene z870 with dissolve
4822 b "Ugh! And you said no, right?"
...
4834 bm "Bella! Watch your mouth! Don't overdo it!"
4835 scene z869 with dissolve
4836 bm "I apologize, [name]."
4837 d "Don't mind me."
As we can see, Nika listens when Amber talks about the gala and she even apologizes to Nika for witnessing their fight with Bella.
Version 3.5, Chapter3.5.rpy:
Python:
230 mf "I hope you will enrich us with your presence at our gala, next week. Saturday, to be precise."
231 scene ab57 with dssa
232 b "I'll think about it."
...
253 d "What gala was he talking about, by the way?"
254 scene ab65 with dssa
255 b "They host multiple galas throughout the year."
5015 bm "Oh and Bella, they invited us to their next party.. or was it a gala?"
5016 scene z870 with dissolve
5017 b "Ugh! And you said no, right?"
...
5029 bm "Bella! Watch your mouth! Don't overdo it!"
5030 scene z869 with dissolve
5031 bm "I apologize, [name]."
5032 d "Don't mind me."
Steam version, Chapter3.5.rpy:
Python:
228 mf "I hope you will enrich us with your presence at our gala, next week. Saturday, to be precise."
229 scene ab57 with dssa
230 b "I'll think about it."
...
251 d "What gala was he talking about, by the way?"
252 scene ab65 with dssa
253 b "They host multiple galas throughout the year."
Therefore, the whole dialogue in the restaurant is the same, Nika knows about the gala, but he is wondering what kind of gala it really is?
Five years of reworks and the dialogue and its meaning has not changed. Damn Ocean did shit in someone's pants again. Yesterday he suddenly deleted the scene when MC meets Zara, today this. There is no end in sight to the reworks.
95% of all reviews are positive. It's 275 reviews at the moment.
So, yeah, guys here are absolutely correct. This game is shit and players hate it. Ocean totally destroyed it and only White Knights says something else.
Of course, I can’t understand the plot of the SG, because the developer has not yet inserted it into the game, and all the little things that are in the game change after each rework. You also don’t know what this game is about, like everyone else. Or did Ocean share the script for all the seasons with you?
He has missed the obvious one, Ocean DID share the script - there's a file called "scripts.rpa" in every download. We get to find out what happens when we read the words while playing season 1
One at a time is enough of course, we don't need the script before the fancy renders .
I'll let you in on a little secret: the first season has no plot. Ocean said that the first season will introduce us to the characters and develop the story later. Nobody knows what this story is about, there are only assumptions and guesses. This could be a love story, or it could be a story of revenge for murdered parents.
I'll let you in on a little secret: the first season has no plot. Ocean said that the first season will introduce us to the characters and develop the story later. Nobody knows what this story is about, there are only assumptions and guesses. This could be a love story, or it could be a story of revenge for murdered parents.
This unofficial port/version is not released by developer, download at your own risk.
I'm new into this so if you are experiencing some problem please pm me and i will look into it or if you have any idea on how to made my ports better i'm all hears.
i thought the modifications were to enable Ocean to sell in Germany, not necessarily on Steam, which has a hundred million customers outside of Germany.
accepting 2 simple facts will make accepting Oceans patterns much easier;
1 Ocean is a perfectionist.
2 He had a 'clear' vision of how he wanted certain things to look, and didn't have the hardware nor the software experience to make it the way he envisioned when he first made them.
luckily for us there are lots of other games to go thru between his updates, and some of them, like Eternum, Artemis, et al, are really good too.
The changes made before going on Steam were for more than just trying to ensure that Steam users in Germany could also enjoy SG.
They included: the removal of some nudity - to avoid getting a restrictive Steam rating that would reduce S1 audience size.
Removal of music that could have resulted in the potential for takedown notices from music companies due to license issues.
There are also changes made to avoid Patreon's ever-expanding TOS, which already got WIAB booted from Patreon.
I think Ocean did a great job for a one-person shop who hires a few other people to assist (like Messe with the GUI and the independent contractor that built the sports field we get to run in/use during evening BB training with the coaches).
Did he make some mistakes with Steam - sure.
Did he learn the hard way how to better obtain music licenses for SG - sure.
Having worked for a small company and been called on to do complex things that no one in the company had the institutional knowledge to do - there is often a tough learning curve to climb.
I expect that, when Ocean releases WIAB on Steam/other venues like EPIC, he will do a better job, having learned lessons from his first effort with Steam.
For now, I am looking forward to playthroughs of other AVNs that I have waiting in the wings.
