vampires69'in
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yeah i think it was a horrible way to conclude season one like that, all eye candy with no substance.
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I prefer the story about the killer cat.
Hmm, are you still here arguing with smart faces? I'll give you a hint, this story is about two assholes trying to become human. In principle, this is enough. You will find out the rest on the full moon, on the fifth day, when the wizard comes from the east and finally pays taxes.
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It's a strange relationship, people have already waited so long and gone so far that they prefer to go down with the ship instead of admitting they were wrong. Ocean has talent that I can never deny, but the man also has talent to make bad decisions, I will wait to see what happens with the second season and if I see another bad decision by this man then I will not have more reason to stay in this thread and I will leave without complaining. I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt with season 2, although personally speaking he doesn't deserve it.
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I agree with half of that tbh. I think SG has a clear plot. Is it plain, vague and painfully pedestrian? Absolutely! But it is there.
The part I agree with, and have previously exposed at lenght, is that S1 of SG fails (imo) at setting up the world and characters of the game. It does well at setting up a story but fails at the two other crucial elements. It bothers me to no end that EVERYTHING in SG is vague and in a a constant state of flux.
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Being old and having ADHD i tend to notice things after the fact. Does anybody notice that the female have a habit of touching the corner of there mouth. Noticed in the changing room with Vanessa when she is talking to Nika. Amber does it during the therapy session. I believe Bella does it too. Is that some type of sign thats where they want his nut.
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He's talented but he can't seem to move a plot forward meaningfully or in a timely manner to save his life judging by this and WIAB. I don't think I really know much more about the characters and plot than I did 2-3 years ago.It's a strange relationship, people have already waited so long and gone so far that they prefer to go down with the ship instead of admitting they were wrong. Ocean has talent that I can never deny, but the man also has talent to make bad decisions, I will wait to see what happens with the second season and if I see another bad decision by this man then I will not have more reason to stay in this thread and I will leave without complaining. I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt with season 2, although personally speaking he doesn't deserve it.
He strikes me as someone that if he was writing a book he'd badly need an editor to condense the book from 2000 pages to 300-400 and a strict deadline on top. Writing a story without getting lost in minor details and interactions as well as not constantly reworking it is a skill. Ocean seems to struggle with that. I don't feel angry or annoyed with him but I can't see this ending for another 10+ years at this rate and that sucks because no way will my interest stay that long.
I really hope he seriously ups the pace in season 2. Come out guns blazing and advance the plot quicker. I doubt it but I can hope.
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I'm just imagining that someone watched Fight Club up to the moment when Norton met Mrs Marla. And at that point the fellow viewer begins to rant that the plot is not moving at all, that the main character only roams around without any meaning, that he pronounces some senseless monologues or meets some weird characters. For example, Bob aka Meat Loaf, why is he even in the movie at all? Fincher should focus on the plot and stop showing some nonsense but he seems to struggle with that.
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People having trouble finding the plot in SG
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These were not my words regarding the plot, I was quoting Ocean. But I agree with you that the game has become boring.
Although I absolutely disagree that SG has a clear plot. Remember what Ocean said when Chapter 4 came out? Oh, I got bored and decided to do something new and made a board game.... Is this what a person with a ready-made script would do? No! After chapter 4, we see that in new chapters and reworks a bunch of scenes with dialogues have appeared that have no useful information or meaning. I watched a program that talked about how TV series are created, it’s very reminiscent of the creation of AVN. In a TV series, when the writer gets sick and is unable to write the script, the decision is usually made to make a "series on the fly." That is, they insert memories into the episode or pretend that the MC is communicating with his conscience, etc. Such dialogues that do not make sense are usually called “garbage”. The same thing happens with SG and Wiab, Ocean makes a lot of "garbage dialogue".
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no.
but Ocean IS a perfectionist. reread his posts on this forum, and some of his discord/patreon posts.
he made Where it all began; got to chapter 6, got enough euros to upgrade, did so and was blown away by the difference in quality. the next issue was rendering speed. those allegedly are both addressed. then he got DCMA'd about the music. [odd how the word Dismayed fits too].
many other devs would have just used the same process and continued, but now at a faster rate. he didn't he revamped with his new capabilities.
personally i would have preferred [as i believe most would] if he had finished WIAB then made SG with his new equipment.
but its his story and his project...
still glad we have lots of other projects to enjoy in the meantime.
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You're right, I do often experience wonderful moments because I love to travel and visit the most beautiful places on our planet.
There are 30+ Chapters planned for this game, so slow progression is warranted. We can only hope that someday we can witness the conclusion of this game ... Summer's Gone [Completed] by the end of this decade would be nothing short of a miracle.
i dont think it will be worth the wait. season one ended with a whimper in my opinion. i dont think the plot will improve either.
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When Sg announces a date for sex scenes, as a person who deals in finance. Invest in Kleenez and jergens you will make a fortune.
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I see, my comparison was too specific and apparently distracted you from the simple point I was trying to make. Summer's Gone is currently a work in progress. Moreover, almost the entire first season is an introduction, in which the author gradually introduces the main actors and devotes most of the screen time to the relationship building between the MC and the characters and the game's world setting up in general. Only in the fifth chapter do the storylines begin to slowly gain momentum.
So you've read a few introductory chapters from a 32-chapter book and say the pacing and plot development are slow. Don't you think this is too quick a conclusion?
Well, more often than not, the plot gradually gains momentum. Of course if it is not an action movie, where shootings and fights can begin from the first minutes, and don't stop until the end. Usually at the beginning the author introduces the audience to the characters and talks about the starting point from which the story begins. Once the initial setup of the story is completed, the plot begins to move faster as the reader/viewer/player is already familiar with the characters and understands their roles in the main story.
I have compared this game many times to a tv series, especially to Lost (or rather its first season). Not because of the similarity of the plot. Although, who knows how this game will end, I don’t know for sure. They seem very similar to me from a storytelling perspective. In Lost everything is not what it seems, but at first glance everything is simple, the plane crashed on the island, the passengers are trying to survive. The first episodes are devoted to how they wander around the island, get to know each other and having frequent flashbacks revealing their backstories.
So if you're not prepared for this game to be a long series, it's best to quit right away. Because you have no idea how the plot will develop further and what ending this whole story is moving towards. MC marries Bella, Nami drinks herself into a coma at the wedding. How can you tell if it's moving fast or not? In the game, only a few weeks have passed since the MC woke up from the nightmare and went to buy some breadrolls. And almost all of the content in the first season is about the first week of college.
Next, about the speed of work. Ocean stated that he finished writing the entire SG story around August 2023. He ended up with 32 chapters. I don't know if anything has changed since then or not. But he completed the story a year ago.
Now all that remains is to make static renders and animations for these 32 chapters. This is no big deal if you have a team like Fincher and his budget. But you don't seriously believe that an indie developer like Ocean can do this in the same time frame, do you? So yes, developing a game like Summer's Gone will take a long time unless he hires a team or finds a way to increase his productivity several times over. Again, it's not that the plot moves slowly (although it does in the beginning), it's that the game development moves slowly (slow compared to what, by the way? It's pretty fast in the given circumstances)
So, I think your comparison with SG "neither the novel or movie took 5+ years to write; the movie is an hour and a half and the book has about 200 pages and both done far more than SG has" is incorrect. A movie is not made by one person who does the work of screenwriter, director, cameraman, costume designer, sound engineer, editor, producer and God knows who else. A book is not accompanied by tens of thousands of 3d renders and computer animations.
Hell yeah! Now I have no doubt, I'm talking to a critic! They always end their performance with a tirade about sucking, licking or anal sex. Old good Freud would be delighted with you guys.
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I enjoyed the ending of Summers Gone S1 and I am enjoying the plot.
These are two of the reasons why I am enjoying SG and participating on this thread.
If I feel like a dev or a creation is not living up to my hopes/expectations, I stop supporting the dev with $ and I certainly don't make the time to hang out on the thread to say how much I don't like his creation over and over and over again...
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If you don't think Summers Gone will be worth the wait - why stay?
Are you sure this is the best use of your time using this user ID?
Do you know how rare this kind of tenacity is, constantly singing the song of 'I'm not getting what I wanttttt!!'?
GL finding AVNs that live up to your lofty expectations... and feel free to 'praise' those devs just like you 'praise' SG.
Cheers!!
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