VN Ren'Py Summer's Gone [S1 Steam + DLC] [Oceanlab]

[Winterstale]

Epic= "heroic or grand in scale or character"
I am going with this defination sir, maybe it has other meaning which I am not aware of.

And believe it or not but I have actually played Leap of Faith, what a shock right?
It felt more like a slice of life, romance visual novel instead of a epic journey written by Drifty.

But again who am I to think logically, I am just an insecure person who try to hard too be funny and still fail miserably

Anyways I am so sorry sweet sir for offending you, believe me it wasn't my intention.

Oh dear, it seems we're diving deep into the "what's epic and what's not" debate. Grab some popcorn, folks.

First off, let's unpack that definition of "epic." You mentioned "heroic or grand in scale or character." Spot on! But let's not limit our understanding here. An "epic" isn't just about larger-than-life heroes battling ancient evils in some grand saga. It's about emotional depth, character development, and a narrative that takes you on a journey - sometimes on the scale of the universe, and other times within the heart of a single person.

Now, as for AVNs, claiming that none could be considered "epic" is like saying no animated movie could ever be profound because it's "just cartoons." It all comes down to what you're looking for and, more importantly, what you define as meaningful.

Take Summers Gone, for instance. On the surface, it might not have the trappings of a traditional epic with sprawling quests and celestial battles, but it delves deeply into themes of nostalgia, loss, and personal growth. The emotional depth and complexity of its narrative can be considered epic in the sense of its impact and scope within the human experience.

Or how about Where It All Began? It might not fit your "heroic" mold, but it offers a deep narrative with intricate character relationships that evolve over time. The story is complex, the choices matter, and the emotional impact is real. That’s another form of epic - one that resonates on a deeply personal level rather than through sheer scale.

Now, I can't help but notice your self-deprecating tone, suggesting you're "just an insecure person." Let’s not be too hard on ourselves. Sarcasm and humor can be great tools for discussion, but they can also deflect from the real conversation. Instead of diminishing your perspective, let’s engage with it. Your insights are valid, but dismissing an entire genre because it doesn’t fit one narrow definition of "epic" might just be a tad shortsighted, don't you think?

So, when you label certain AVNs as lacking in epicness, it might be worth considering that the epic can manifest in subtler forms.
And before we write off the AVN community as incapable of delivering epic stories, let’s broaden our horizons. After all, epic isn’t just about what’s on the screen - it’s about what it makes you feel...

 

[BobTheDuck]

You guys are too much of a fanatics to have a conversation with sadly, 5 years of development and we are still at the introduction phase in both his games. Is this something the ppl who started supporting these games development actually expected in 2019? Wiab had 6 updates worth of content got cut off got reworked 2 times and now if you're lucky get 1 update per year. While SG which is more heavily focused on is tend to be finished in 2040. But let him be and don't dare raise negative comments about the development, cause you guys emerge to defend it.

" Pick a page in this thread, any page, years back, and you can probably find these sentiments on that page, mostly right before a release, or right after when a poster realises there is still no fap material. SG is still here and survives all the shade."

This is the problem you see, that for years we find these sentiments, cause its not a 0.1 release, but years work that some ppl ( not you guys appearently, cause you think everything is fine as it is) have expectations to.

Okay, so rather than discussing why Ocean is or isn't hiring people and why that's slowing him down or making him ineffective, and why should he if he's making bank with sweet ass renders (your own initial post), you're instead shifting the goal posts to blaming fans for the dev's behaviour. Who's the fanatic? You're just rehashing the same tired arguments about how long the dev time is. Well, sure, we know, we get it - no one in the thread actually would choose a longer dev time, but we get on with our lives while waiting. You've been here since 2017 and you're acting like this isn't a common thing in threads. Games that survive long dev times and still keep updating survive because ...enough people enjoy them.

So you don't enjoy SG, or you don't enjoy waiting for SG. You're in a rush and you don't like patience. I enjoy the game, and I can occupy myself by talking about the things I like about the game, speculate about the characters and the plot whatever. There's plenty of space for people to have different opinions, but here's one for you - fan's don't have to justify why they like something to anyone but themselves.

You haven't solved the SG rubix cube of conundrums, sorry. Either you like the game and you put up with how the process goes, or you throw your hands up in disgust and find a different game you can enjoy. No one here is really surprise about arguments about dev time, and you'd be surprised at how much smaller than zero the chances of Ocean ever reading your logic are. Go on his discord and talk with him if you're really wanting to light a fire under him and "hold him accountable" for the sake of every blue balled pirate in the 'zone. Just be prepared for what fanatics actually are like.

I leave for one day and this thread goes into chaos mode...
Why don't you guys ever invite me to these rants?
I feel left out..

Don't be sad, it goes in cycles, kinda like a counterpoint to the dev cycle.

 

[yossa999]

I leave for one day and this thread goes into chaos mode...
Why don't you guys ever invite me to these rants?
I feel left out..

Wait until he announces the release date. That's when the real fun begins, right now it's just a light warm-up. The mods haven't even wiped a page or two yet.

 

[Dr.TSoni]

Ocean may not be a great writer but the guy knows how to choreograph and direct scenes, nobody shows character dynamics and banter between characters better than him, his taste of music is miles ahead of others and I love him for it.

Oh absolutely

 

[SDDA]

You are a very special kind, aren't you?

Are you a paying member? If yes, who is forcing you to pay for something you visibly hate, despise, etc. If not, what is your point with arguing?

You literally wrote a wall of text, and arguing endlessly, - and it seems with everybody - just because you want to prove your point, or try to change other peoples opinion on Summer's Gone. Whether Summer's Gone is completed in 1, 5, or 10 years is completely irrelevant, because I have zero influence over it. Besides, I can't know if I'll still be alive in a few days or not. I don't worry about things I have no control over. But until then, - without any regrets - I will enjoy the first season, which is already available.

Apparently, it's so terrible and it's all so stuck in one place that I've put 110 hours into it since May just by accident. /s

My main problem is that you act as if no one but you noticed that the first season of Summer's Gone was not flawless, as if everyone was - literally - blind, stupid, ignorant. I'll help you, many of us are aware of its flaws, the only difference is that we find the first season enjoyable despite the flaws.

Yes its called arguing endlessly and with everybody when im only answering to those who quote my comment, btw its called a forum, where im free to prove my point and answer to those that reflect on the things i wrote, but you can go ahead and ignore it.
Btw who other than the fans have any say/control over the development. And just a que for you if you don't pay for something still can have an opinion about, even if the fanatics don't agree with you(cause you know its a pirate forum).

 

[The Krogan Dude]

Ocean gets tons of criticism because of the rework which is totally unreasonable because the rework improved the game massively

Aesthetically yes. But the writing ? No on the contrary it got worse. Now, some of the dialogues make no sense, because they are related with elements that were removed and the removal of some cinematics made many scenes choppy and messy, like Nami punching Bella out of nowhere.

 

[RNasc4444]

Ocean gets tons of criticism because of the rework which is totally unreasonable because the rework improved the game massively, and if anyone thinks otherwise then they are delusional .

I was gonna ask if you had any mirrors in your house but you're not delusional, you ARE the delusion! The fact you don't even bother disguising that absurd statement as an opinion is baffling.

I just wish you had started your post calling LoF a "masterpiece" so I could safely ignore the rest of it.

 

[AlexFXR]

Ocean gets tons of criticism because of the rework which is totally unreasonable because the rework improved the game massively, and if anyone thinks otherwise then they are delusional .

I think that Ocean deservedly gets tons of criticism because the reworks made the game worse. The game turned out to be ragged and illogical. To fix all this, the game needs to be remade again. It's good that Ocean said that he will not do reworks anymore.

 

[SDDA]

Guys i think you better stop with these comments or the guards come and throw you out with comments like "A very cute scene when they are preparing to the first day if college, Grace Mesa: The Long Way is playing, Nami in the uniform, Noji says how beautiful Nami is, Nami's all lightens up from the praise." , or "i spent 100+h in this game so its good and we are moving fast enough" just stick to praising comments and feed their delusions. Pirate forums are not designed for negative criticism unless you pay for the stuff...

 

[RNasc4444]

Guys i think you better stop with these comments or the guards come and throw you out with comments like "A very cute scene when they are preparing to the first day if college, Grace Mesa: The Long Way is playing, Nami in the uniform, Noji says how beautiful Nami is, Nami's all lightens up from the praise." , or "i spent 100+h in this game so its good and we are moving fast enough" just stick to praising comments and feed their delusions. Pirate forums are not designed for negative criticism unless you pay for the stuff...

We are discussing the game and that is allowed. I respect everyone's opinions as long as they are opinions and not statements of fact.

But let's be very real here, it takes record breaking low levels of reading comprehension to make sense of the relationship between the MC and Nami in the "official" version published by Ocean. Straight up. Logic has left the chat on that one. Common sense ran for it's life on that one.

Now this is a statement and not an opinion: If the relationship between MC/Nami that Ocean published in the latest version is canon, THE ENTIRE SCRIPT NEEDS TO BE REWORKED in order to reflect and clarify that. Now I don't know if other languages have the same issue or not but if you play this in English and you don't notice the glaring issues you are either braindead, don't read the actual text or can't understand a lick of English. Period.

 

[Capt_Kirk]

We are discussing the game and that is allowed. I respect everyone's opinions as long as they are opinions and not statements of fact.

But let's be very real here, it takes record breaking low levels of reading comprehension to make sense of the relationship between the MC and Nami in the "official" version published by Ocean. Straight up. Logic has left the chat on that one. Common sense ran for it's life on that one.

Now this is a statement and not an opinion: If the relationship between MC/Nami that Ocean published in the latest version is canon, THE ENTIRE SCRIPT NEEDS TO BE REWORKED in order to reflect and clarify that. Now I don't know if other languages have the same issue or not but if you play this in English and you don't notice the glaring issues you are either braindead, don't read the actual text or can't understand a lick of English. Period.

let's keep the discussion in a very civil manner please !.
the Lord said " whosoever smiteth thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also " but if whosoever smiteth thee on thy gut .....Kick his Ass !.

 

[deadh30775n]

To fix all this, the game needs to be remade again. It's good that Ocean said that he will not do reworks anymore.

Don't you think you're contradicting yourself here buddy?

 

[yossa999]

Guys, we're having so much fun today! They're playing my favorite comedy "Negative Nancy Walks into the Bar" here again.

And since some of you liked the description of one of my favorite scenes so much that you repeat it over and over again, you know, this one:

"A very cute scene when they are preparing to the first day in college, Grace Mesa: The Long Way is playing, Nami in the uniform, Noji says how beautiful Nami is, Nami's all lightens up from the praise."

I just can't help but follow this description with a screenshot, especially since, as we all learned today, all this time I liked the game only because of its visuals. Enjoy, guys!

 

[SDDA]

And it was created just for you man, after years of work you can observe and spend 100+ hours watching scenes like these, god bless what else do we need anyway? Do we even give a f about Summer? Maybe get to 3rd base or even 2nd with a LI after years? No we want reworks that fix visuals for us and extend scenes like these where Nojiko can say you look beautiful to Nami before going to uni. Epic is a word that is underused in this game.

 

[Dr.TSoni]

But let's be very real here, it takes record breaking low levels of reading comprehension to make sense of the relationship between the MC and Nami in the "official" version published by Ocean. Straight up. Logic has left the chat on that one. Common sense ran for it's life on that one.

I have no words left to describe the situation at the Cyrus house

"A very cute scene when they are preparing to the first day in college, Grace Mesa: The Long Way is playing, Nami in the uniform, Noji says how beautiful Nami is, Nami's all lightens up from the praise."

I just can't help but follow this description with a screenshot, especially since, as we all learned today, all this time I liked the game only because of its visuals. Enjoy, guys!

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[The Krogan Dude]

To fix all this, the game needs to be remade again.

 

[deadh30775n]

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If it's possible I wouldn't mind some revamping made to the script without any changes made to the existing renders or something.

 

[RNasc4444]

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Chill, it doesn't need a full rework again. Just a script overhaul. Changing a few hundred lines of text wouldn't be the end of the world. No renders need to be touched.

 

[Dr.TSoni]

We are sure we want to wake up the remake demon?

 

[BobTheDuck]

Chill, it doesn't need a full rework again. Just a script overhaul. Changing a few hundred lines of text wouldn't be the end of the world. No renders need to be touched.

I agree. And I hope that once there's a level of stability with SG on S2 being actually 18+, Ocean will clarify those things he's left ambiguous, whether as part of S2 or a script overhaul. I'd love for the intro cinematics and some of the school cinematics to be added back with alternate music (my guess is they were cut because he couldn't find music that felt as iconic after the license drama).

But this is almost as old as the 'Gawd, I'll be soooooooo frikken ald when I get to nut to SG that I'll be Papa Smurf, and sooooooo frikken blue that I can't blow my load.'

Let's face it, the majority of people who are complaining aren't complaining for story integrity like you are, they're complaining because they don't know how to google porn that matches their kinks.

I 100% hope that the clarity comes; maybe we get the clarification when Nika starts talking with Amber about his deal with Nami? That would be sufficient, if slightly lame and late. BUt the story making sense can still happen, and easily. Ocean just has to make sure his balls have descended far enough to make the one true epic decision. Otherwise it'll remain an untapped potential. I'll stand by my assertions that the game doesn't actually need a huge amount of change to recover. There are just some very key moments. Some can be deferred (ie the jacuzzi scene loocks like it'll have more epic moments with Nami in the bathroom) - I don't think we need all the restored scenes, just a trajectory that covers the current bandaids.

Regardless, I'm keen for this and WiaB, whether or not Ocean's a pulp writer, I'm enjoying it despite the glaring continuity problems. Heck, I can poke issues in pretty much any game I play, even my favourites have major plot holes. The thing is, when I see an argument like Willi and Katie after the pool, or Nika and Nami in the dark on the bike talking, Nami in tears because she's overwhelmed by feelings she doesn't know how to express or the world receding into a blue cold fog that Sasha rescues Nika from, damn I love what Ocean is doing.

Maybe he hits these emotional inflection points purely by accident/intuition rather than design, and then overthinks it, but damn, I love those moments. They happen despite what's arround them (Sasha's moment while Nika's panicking is glorious, and completely divorced from the cluedo style of the bookclub, it happens in that context, but is apart from it, same as Nia's loneliness). Why is Katie the best? Because she has probably the most self confidence despite being wounded.

Essentially we're seeing people triumph over their own shittiness. That's the second order function/moral of the plot. 'Healing' is too vague. It'll take Nika a while, but there will be moments where the light shines through. There will be moments where people are disarmed of their own bullshit. Fuck, even Bella might get over herself. What will Bella's personality become?

Actually, I'm going to stop, the whisky's kicking in. What was I even replying to?

We are sure we want to wake up the remake demon?

Is this a ghostbusters reference??? Or do you legit want Sasha to be Shub-Niggurath???? Or *gasp* Summer???? Where will it end????