I think that Ocean deservedly gets tons of criticism because the reworks made the game worse. The game turned out to be ragged and illogical. To fix all this, the game needs to be remade again. It's good that Ocean said that he will not do reworks anymore.
We are discussing the game and that is allowed. I respect everyone's opinions as long as they are opinions and not statements of fact.
let's keep the discussion in a very civil manner please !.
If it's possible I wouldn't mind some revamping made to the script without any changes made to the existing renders or something.
Chill, it doesn't need a full rework again. Just a script overhaul. Changing a few hundred lines of text wouldn't be the end of the world. No renders need to be touched.
I agree. And I hope that once there's a level of stability with SG on S2 being actually 18+, Ocean will clarify those things he's left ambiguous, whether as part of S2 or a script overhaul. I'd love for the intro cinematics and some of the school cinematics to be added back with alternate music (my guess is they were cut because he couldn't find music that felt as iconic after the license drama).
Is this a ghostbusters reference??? Or do you legit want Sasha to be Shub-Niggurath???? Or *gasp* Summer???? Where will it end????
Amazing post as usual Bob. I agree on all counts. Feels like we keep rehashing the same stuff over and over again but I can't help it that they remain relevant. I can't help it if Ocean instead of fixing the glaring issues just keeps introducing new problems with each new update. That's how "Lost" (TV show) for example died for me. You can't answer 1 question then introduce 3 new questions right after. At some point the story can't sustain itself and viewers/readers/players lose interest.I agree. And I hope that once there's a level of stability with SG on S2 being actually 18+, Ocean will clarify those things he's left ambiguous, whether as part of S2 or a script overhaul. I'd love for the intro cinematics and some of the school cinematics to be added back with alternate music (my guess is they were cut because he couldn't find music that felt as iconic after the license drama).
But this is almost as old as the 'Gawd, I'll be soooooooo frikken ald when I get to nut to SG that I'll be Papa Smurf, and sooooooo frikken blue that I can't blow my load.'
Let's face it, the majority of people who are complaining aren't complaining for story integrity like you are, they're complaining because they don't know how to google porn that matches their kinks.
I 100% hope that the clarity comes; maybe we get the clarification when Nika starts talking with Amber about his deal with Nami? That would be sufficient, if slightly lame and late. BUt the story making sense can still happen, and easily. Ocean just has to make sure his balls have descended far enough to make the one true epic decision. Otherwise it'll remain an untapped potential. I'll stand by my assertions that the game doesn't actually need a huge amount of change to recover. There are just some very key moments. Some can be deferred (ie the jacuzzi scene loocks like it'll have more epic moments with Nami in the bathroom) - I don't think we need all the restored scenes, just a trajectory that covers the current bandaids.
Regardless, I'm keen for this and WiaB, whether or not Ocean's a pulp writer, I'm enjoying it despite the glaring continuity problems. Heck, I can poke issues in pretty much any game I play, even my favourites have major plot holes. The thing is, when I see an argument like Willi and Katie after the pool, or Nika and Nami in the dark on the bike talking, Nami in tears because she's overwhelmed by feelings she doesn't know how to express or the world receding into a blue cold fog that Sasha rescues Nika from, damn I love what Ocean is doing.
Maybe he hits these emotional inflection points purely by accident/intuition rather than design, and then overthinks it, but damn, I love those moments. They happen despite what's arround them (Sasha's moment while Nika's panicking is glorious, and completely divorced from the cluedo style of the bookclub, it happens in that context, but is apart from it, same as Nia's loneliness). Why is Katie the best? Because she has probably the most self confidence despite being wounded.
Essentially we're seeing people triumph over their own shittiness. That's the second order function/moral of the plot. 'Healing' is too vague. It'll take Nika a while, but there will be moments where the light shines through. There will be moments where people are disarmed of their own bullshit. Fuck, even Bella might get over herself. What will Bella's personality become?
Actually, I'm going to stop, the whisky's kicking in. What was I even replying to?
Is this a ghostbusters reference??? Or do you legit want Sasha to be Shub-Niggurath???? Or *gasp* Summer???? Where will it end????
Agreed. I relentlessly highlight the negatives because I believe that has greater odds for meaningful improvement then blindly praising it. It doesn't bother me that people LOVE this game and want to defend Ocean as long as they remain objective about it.
This is just blatant reaction farming from the big ol' Katie simp that lurks around these parts. Shame on you!
Fucking agreed! It does start to seem like it doesn't it? I've been saying this shit for ages, the emotional heights this game was able to achieve consistently pre ch3.5 were amazing. It seems bland now by comparison. I still feel something here and there while playing it but it's so much more forced and soft and tame.
Question for the ages. Why is WiAB so much more sound, solid and competent in all aspects than SG? It's written by the same person. Story and dialogue by the same person as far as we know yet the quality disparity is glaring. There is only one explanation. Reworks. That's why I call this game Frankenstein's monster. It's barely more than a mishmash of scenes held together by hopes and prayers. By "turn your brain off" moments and a smidge of suspension of disbelief. With a side of retroactive changes of course. How does this help the story? How can you even claim "the rework improved the game massively" with a straight face unless all you do is look at the pretty renders and fuck everything else?
I was not sure if you were addressing this to me, man, because today I got the impression that me quoting you made you feel violated.
Dude, I didn't give a fuck who killed Laura Palmer for the entire first season of Twin Picks, and you're talking about some fucking Summer. I think there's too much of her already. Let her appear in flashbacks and let her body stay wherever it is now. It would be really awkward if she showed up on the doorstep one day when the MC finally got up the wormy and gave some spermy to Bella's greedy vajayjay.
Don't even start with the bases per year. I have no compassion for blueballed sexwhen-ers. Move your lazy ass, find a quality fap material yourself or ask in the recommendation section of the forum. We don't do that here. This is a story-focused game with adult elements and not the other way around.
No, we want a rework to bring the graphics quality of the first chapters in line with the subsequent ones. So that we can sell the game through Steam. It would be cool to read the reviews when guys saw scenes from the 4th and 5th chapters in the ads, bought the game and when they launched it they saw this.
I know, right? Glad you're starting to understand.
Damn man! You almost moved meI agree. And I hope that once there's a level of stability with SG on S2 being actually 18+, Ocean will clarify those things he's left ambiguous, whether as part of S2 or a script overhaul. I'd love for the intro cinematics and some of the school cinematics to be added back with alternate music (my guess is they were cut because he couldn't find music that felt as iconic after the license drama).
But this is almost as old as the 'Gawd, I'll be soooooooo frikken ald when I get to nut to SG that I'll be Papa Smurf, and sooooooo frikken blue that I can't blow my load.'
Let's face it, the majority of people who are complaining aren't complaining for story integrity like you are, they're complaining because they don't know how to google porn that matches their kinks.
I 100% hope that the clarity comes; maybe we get the clarification when Nika starts talking with Amber about his deal with Nami? That would be sufficient, if slightly lame and late. BUt the story making sense can still happen, and easily. Ocean just has to make sure his balls have descended far enough to make the one true epic decision. Otherwise it'll remain an untapped potential. I'll stand by my assertions that the game doesn't actually need a huge amount of change to recover. There are just some very key moments. Some can be deferred (ie the jacuzzi scene loocks like it'll have more epic moments with Nami in the bathroom) - I don't think we need all the restored scenes, just a trajectory that covers the current bandaids.
Regardless, I'm keen for this and WiaB, whether or not Ocean's a pulp writer, I'm enjoying it despite the glaring continuity problems. Heck, I can poke issues in pretty much any game I play, even my favourites have major plot holes. The thing is, when I see an argument like Willi and Katie after the pool, or Nika and Nami in the dark on the bike talking, Nami in tears because she's overwhelmed by feelings she doesn't know how to express or the world receding into a blue cold fog that Sasha rescues Nika from, damn I love what Ocean is doing.
Maybe he hits these emotional inflection points purely by accident/intuition rather than design, and then overthinks it, but damn, I love those moments. They happen despite what's arround them (Sasha's moment while Nika's panicking is glorious, and completely divorced from the cluedo style of the bookclub, it happens in that context, but is apart from it, same as Nia's loneliness). Why is Katie the best? Because she has probably the most self confidence despite being wounded.
Essentially we're seeing people triumph over their own shittiness. That's the second order function/moral of the plot. 'Healing' is too vague. It'll take Nika a while, but there will be moments where the light shines through. There will be moments where people are disarmed of their own bullshit. Fuck, even Bella might get over herself. What will Bella's personality become?
Actually, I'm going to stop, the whisky's kicking in. What was I even replying to?
And it's work like a charmThis is just blatant reaction farming from the big ol' Katie simp that lurks around these parts. Shame on you!
A SG chapter with lewd scenes ? Unacceptable! In all seriousness though, I feel that for the 5 LI that are explored in S1 we will have a natural progression of the intimacy between them and the MC, beyond just kisses. Nami and Bella are the one who are far ahead in this department, and is only fair that others get a little love. That said, I feel is to early to Zara, despite I wanting it, she still is conflicted about her feelings for Nika, feel that lewds with her are gonna take a little while.
I agree with everything that was said. But sadly I don't think that Ocean will address the many faults of S1, nor should he. The story needs to move forward and now that the reworks are done, I don't think that there is this much of good will left. It is a patched thing, where you can see where was cut and stitched together and some of this are done better than the others, is far from perfect but, it is what it is. About clarity... we got clarity in WiaB and well. For everyone who played it since Ch1 knows that SG was written with a idea in mind, and the reworks did little to deter this ideia, ambiguity is the only path left with the exception of others grands rewrites.I agree. And I hope that once there's a level of stability with SG on S2 being actually 18+, Ocean will clarify those things he's left ambiguous, whether as part of S2 or a script overhaul. I'd love for the intro cinematics and some of the school cinematics to be added back with alternate music (my guess is they were cut because he couldn't find music that felt as iconic after the license drama).
But this is almost as old as the 'Gawd, I'll be soooooooo frikken ald when I get to nut to SG that I'll be Papa Smurf, and sooooooo frikken blue that I can't blow my load.'
Let's face it, the majority of people who are complaining aren't complaining for story integrity like you are, they're complaining because they don't know how to google porn that matches their kinks.
I 100% hope that the clarity comes; maybe we get the clarification when Nika starts talking with Amber about his deal with Nami? That would be sufficient, if slightly lame and late. BUt the story making sense can still happen, and easily. Ocean just has to make sure his balls have descended far enough to make the one true epic decision. Otherwise it'll remain an untapped potential. I'll stand by my assertions that the game doesn't actually need a huge amount of change to recover. There are just some very key moments. Some can be deferred (ie the jacuzzi scene loocks like it'll have more epic moments with Nami in the bathroom) - I don't think we need all the restored scenes, just a trajectory that covers the current bandaids.
Regardless, I'm keen for this and WiaB, whether or not Ocean's a pulp writer, I'm enjoying it despite the glaring continuity problems. Heck, I can poke issues in pretty much any game I play, even my favourites have major plot holes. The thing is, when I see an argument like Willi and Katie after the pool, or Nika and Nami in the dark on the bike talking, Nami in tears because she's overwhelmed by feelings she doesn't know how to express or the world receding into a blue cold fog that Sasha rescues Nika from, damn I love what Ocean is doing.
Maybe he hits these emotional inflection points purely by accident/intuition rather than design, and then overthinks it, but damn, I love those moments. They happen despite what's arround them (Sasha's moment while Nika's panicking is glorious, and completely divorced from the cluedo style of the bookclub, it happens in that context, but is apart from it, same as Nia's loneliness). Why is Katie the best? Because she has probably the most self confidence despite being wounded.
Essentially we're seeing people triumph over their own shittiness. That's the second order function/moral of the plot. 'Healing' is too vague. It'll take Nika a while, but there will be moments where the light shines through. There will be moments where people are disarmed of their own bullshit. Fuck, even Bella might get over herself. What will Bella's personality become?
Actually, I'm going to stop, the whisky's kicking in. What was I even replying to?
Is this a ghostbusters reference??? Or do you legit want Sasha to be Shub-Niggurath???? Or *gasp* Summer???? Where will it end????
Bold of you to assume anyone here knows what the hell is going on here.
