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If it's possible I wouldn't mind some revamping made to the script without any changes made to the existing renders or something.
If it's possible I wouldn't mind some revamping made to the script without any changes made to the existing renders or something.
Chill, it doesn't need a full rework again. Just a script overhaul. Changing a few hundred lines of text wouldn't be the end of the world. No renders need to be touched.
I agree. And I hope that once there's a level of stability with SG on S2 being actually 18+, Ocean will clarify those things he's left ambiguous, whether as part of S2 or a script overhaul. I'd love for the intro cinematics and some of the school cinematics to be added back with alternate music (my guess is they were cut because he couldn't find music that felt as iconic after the license drama).Chill, it doesn't need a full rework again. Just a script overhaul. Changing a few hundred lines of text wouldn't be the end of the world. No renders need to be touched.
Is this a ghostbusters reference??? Or do you legit want Sasha to be Shub-Niggurath???? Or *gasp* Summer???? Where will it end????We are sure we want to wake up the remake demon?
Amazing post as usual Bob. I agree on all counts. Feels like we keep rehashing the same stuff over and over again but I can't help it that they remain relevant. I can't help it if Ocean instead of fixing the glaring issues just keeps introducing new problems with each new update. That's how "Lost" (TV show) for example died for me. You can't answer 1 question then introduce 3 new questions right after. At some point the story can't sustain itself and viewers/readers/players lose interest.I agree. And I hope that once there's a level of stability with SG on S2 being actually 18+, Ocean will clarify those things he's left ambiguous, whether as part of S2 or a script overhaul. I'd love for the intro cinematics and some of the school cinematics to be added back with alternate music (my guess is they were cut because he couldn't find music that felt as iconic after the license drama).
But this is almost as old as the 'Gawd, I'll be soooooooo frikken ald when I get to nut to SG that I'll be Papa Smurf, and sooooooo frikken blue that I can't blow my load.'
Let's face it, the majority of people who are complaining aren't complaining for story integrity like you are, they're complaining because they don't know how to google porn that matches their kinks.
I 100% hope that the clarity comes; maybe we get the clarification when Nika starts talking with Amber about his deal with Nami? That would be sufficient, if slightly lame and late. BUt the story making sense can still happen, and easily. Ocean just has to make sure his balls have descended far enough to make the one true epic decision. Otherwise it'll remain an untapped potential. I'll stand by my assertions that the game doesn't actually need a huge amount of change to recover. There are just some very key moments. Some can be deferred (ie the jacuzzi scene loocks like it'll have more epic moments with Nami in the bathroom) - I don't think we need all the restored scenes, just a trajectory that covers the current bandaids.
Regardless, I'm keen for this and WiaB, whether or not Ocean's a pulp writer, I'm enjoying it despite the glaring continuity problems. Heck, I can poke issues in pretty much any game I play, even my favourites have major plot holes. The thing is, when I see an argument like Willi and Katie after the pool, or Nika and Nami in the dark on the bike talking, Nami in tears because she's overwhelmed by feelings she doesn't know how to express or the world receding into a blue cold fog that Sasha rescues Nika from, damn I love what Ocean is doing.
Maybe he hits these emotional inflection points purely by accident/intuition rather than design, and then overthinks it, but damn, I love those moments. They happen despite what's arround them (Sasha's moment while Nika's panicking is glorious, and completely divorced from the cluedo style of the bookclub, it happens in that context, but is apart from it, same as Nia's loneliness). Why is Katie the best? Because she has probably the most self confidence despite being wounded.
Essentially we're seeing people triumph over their own shittiness. That's the second order function/moral of the plot. 'Healing' is too vague. It'll take Nika a while, but there will be moments where the light shines through. There will be moments where people are disarmed of their own bullshit. Fuck, even Bella might get over herself. What will Bella's personality become?
Actually, I'm going to stop, the whisky's kicking in. What was I even replying to?
Is this a ghostbusters reference??? Or do you legit want Sasha to be Shub-Niggurath???? Or *gasp* Summer???? Where will it end????
Agreed. I relentlessly highlight the negatives because I believe that has greater odds for meaningful improvement then blindly praising it. It doesn't bother me that people LOVE this game and want to defend Ocean as long as they remain objective about it.BUt the story making sense can still happen, and easily. Ocean just has to make sure his balls have descended far enough to make the one true epic decision. Otherwise it'll remain an untapped potential.
This is just blatant reaction farming from the big ol' Katie simp that lurks around these parts. Shame on you!Why is Katie the best? Because she has probably the most self confidence despite being wounded.
Fucking agreed! It does start to seem like it doesn't it? I've been saying this shit for ages, the emotional heights this game was able to achieve consistently pre ch3.5 were amazing. It seems bland now by comparison. I still feel something here and there while playing it but it's so much more forced and soft and tame.Maybe he hits these emotional inflection points purely by accident/intuition rather than design, and then overthinks it, but damn, I love those moments.
Question for the ages. Why is WiAB so much more sound, solid and competent in all aspects than SG? It's written by the same person. Story and dialogue by the same person as far as we know yet the quality disparity is glaring. There is only one explanation. Reworks. That's why I call this game Frankenstein's monster. It's barely more than a mishmash of scenes held together by hopes and prayers. By "turn your brain off" moments and a smidge of suspension of disbelief. With a side of retroactive changes of course. How does this help the story? How can you even claim "the rework improved the game massively" with a straight face unless all you do is look at the pretty renders and fuck everything else?Regardless, I'm keen for this and WiaB, whether or not Ocean's a pulp writer, I'm enjoying it despite the glaring continuity problems.
I was not sure if you were addressing this to me, man, because today I got the impression that me quoting you made you feel violated.And it was created just for you man, after years of work you can observe and spend 100+ hours watching scenes like these, god bless what else do we need anyway?
Dude, I didn't give a fuck who killed Laura Palmer for the entire first season of Twin Picks, and you're talking about some fucking Summer. I think there's too much of her already. Let her appear in flashbacks and let her body stay wherever it is now. It would be really awkward if she showed up on the doorstep one day when the MC finally got up the wormy and gave some spermy to Bella's greedy vajayjay.Do we even give a fuck about Summer?
Don't even start with the bases per year. I have no compassion for blueballed sexwhen-ers. Move your lazy ass, find a quality fap material yourself or ask in the recommendation section of the forum. We don't do that here. This is a story-focused game with adult elements and not the other way around.Maybe get to 3rd base or even 2nd with a LI after years?
No, we want a rework to bring the graphics quality of the first chapters in line with the subsequent ones. So that we can sell the game through Steam. It would be cool to read the reviews when guys saw scenes from the 4th and 5th chapters in the ads, bought the game and when they launched it they saw this.No we want reworks that fix visuals for us and extend scenes like these where Nojiko can say you look beautiful to Nami before going to uni.
I know, right? Glad you're starting to understand.Epic is a word that is underused in this game.
Damn man! You almost moved meI agree. And I hope that once there's a level of stability with SG on S2 being actually 18+, Ocean will clarify those things he's left ambiguous, whether as part of S2 or a script overhaul. I'd love for the intro cinematics and some of the school cinematics to be added back with alternate music (my guess is they were cut because he couldn't find music that felt as iconic after the license drama).
But this is almost as old as the 'Gawd, I'll be soooooooo frikken ald when I get to nut to SG that I'll be Papa Smurf, and sooooooo frikken blue that I can't blow my load.'
Let's face it, the majority of people who are complaining aren't complaining for story integrity like you are, they're complaining because they don't know how to google porn that matches their kinks.
I 100% hope that the clarity comes; maybe we get the clarification when Nika starts talking with Amber about his deal with Nami? That would be sufficient, if slightly lame and late. BUt the story making sense can still happen, and easily. Ocean just has to make sure his balls have descended far enough to make the one true epic decision. Otherwise it'll remain an untapped potential. I'll stand by my assertions that the game doesn't actually need a huge amount of change to recover. There are just some very key moments. Some can be deferred (ie the jacuzzi scene loocks like it'll have more epic moments with Nami in the bathroom) - I don't think we need all the restored scenes, just a trajectory that covers the current bandaids.
Regardless, I'm keen for this and WiaB, whether or not Ocean's a pulp writer, I'm enjoying it despite the glaring continuity problems. Heck, I can poke issues in pretty much any game I play, even my favourites have major plot holes. The thing is, when I see an argument like Willi and Katie after the pool, or Nika and Nami in the dark on the bike talking, Nami in tears because she's overwhelmed by feelings she doesn't know how to express or the world receding into a blue cold fog that Sasha rescues Nika from, damn I love what Ocean is doing.
Maybe he hits these emotional inflection points purely by accident/intuition rather than design, and then overthinks it, but damn, I love those moments. They happen despite what's arround them (Sasha's moment while Nika's panicking is glorious, and completely divorced from the cluedo style of the bookclub, it happens in that context, but is apart from it, same as Nia's loneliness). Why is Katie the best? Because she has probably the most self confidence despite being wounded.
Essentially we're seeing people triumph over their own shittiness. That's the second order function/moral of the plot. 'Healing' is too vague. It'll take Nika a while, but there will be moments where the light shines through. There will be moments where people are disarmed of their own bullshit. Fuck, even Bella might get over herself. What will Bella's personality become?
Actually, I'm going to stop, the whisky's kicking in. What was I even replying to?![]()
And it's work like a charmThis is just blatant reaction farming from the big ol' Katie simp that lurks around these parts. Shame on you!![]()
A SG chapter with lewd scenes ? Unacceptable! In all seriousness though, I feel that for the 5 LI that are explored in S1 we will have a natural progression of the intimacy between them and the MC, beyond just kisses. Nami and Bella are the one who are far ahead in this department, and is only fair that others get a little love. That said, I feel is to early to Zara, despite I wanting it, she still is conflicted about her feelings for Nika, feel that lewds with her are gonna take a little while.Ocean's already teased Zara squishing herself against him in the hot tub, with something in her hand in another render? Questionable as to what the thing is. We also have renders of Nika infrom of Nami in the bathroom, down low, and renders of Mila that Ocean was cagey about because there was nudity. The question is how much of this will be in Ch1. I think there's a good chance almost every girl will have some sort of lewd scene in S2 somewhere. Sonja would be the only one that might move slower.
I agree with everything that was said. But sadly I don't think that Ocean will address the many faults of S1, nor should he. The story needs to move forward and now that the reworks are done, I don't think that there is this much of good will left. It is a patched thing, where you can see where was cut and stitched together and some of this are done better than the others, is far from perfect but, it is what it is. About clarity... we got clarity in WiaB and well. For everyone who played it since Ch1 knows that SG was written with a idea in mind, and the reworks did little to deter this ideia, ambiguity is the only path left with the exception of others grands rewrites.I agree. And I hope that once there's a level of stability with SG on S2 being actually 18+, Ocean will clarify those things he's left ambiguous, whether as part of S2 or a script overhaul. I'd love for the intro cinematics and some of the school cinematics to be added back with alternate music (my guess is they were cut because he couldn't find music that felt as iconic after the license drama).
But this is almost as old as the 'Gawd, I'll be soooooooo frikken ald when I get to nut to SG that I'll be Papa Smurf, and sooooooo frikken blue that I can't blow my load.'
Let's face it, the majority of people who are complaining aren't complaining for story integrity like you are, they're complaining because they don't know how to google porn that matches their kinks.
I 100% hope that the clarity comes; maybe we get the clarification when Nika starts talking with Amber about his deal with Nami? That would be sufficient, if slightly lame and late. BUt the story making sense can still happen, and easily. Ocean just has to make sure his balls have descended far enough to make the one true epic decision. Otherwise it'll remain an untapped potential. I'll stand by my assertions that the game doesn't actually need a huge amount of change to recover. There are just some very key moments. Some can be deferred (ie the jacuzzi scene loocks like it'll have more epic moments with Nami in the bathroom) - I don't think we need all the restored scenes, just a trajectory that covers the current bandaids.
Regardless, I'm keen for this and WiaB, whether or not Ocean's a pulp writer, I'm enjoying it despite the glaring continuity problems. Heck, I can poke issues in pretty much any game I play, even my favourites have major plot holes. The thing is, when I see an argument like Willi and Katie after the pool, or Nika and Nami in the dark on the bike talking, Nami in tears because she's overwhelmed by feelings she doesn't know how to express or the world receding into a blue cold fog that Sasha rescues Nika from, damn I love what Ocean is doing.
Maybe he hits these emotional inflection points purely by accident/intuition rather than design, and then overthinks it, but damn, I love those moments. They happen despite what's arround them (Sasha's moment while Nika's panicking is glorious, and completely divorced from the cluedo style of the bookclub, it happens in that context, but is apart from it, same as Nia's loneliness). Why is Katie the best? Because she has probably the most self confidence despite being wounded.
Essentially we're seeing people triumph over their own shittiness. That's the second order function/moral of the plot. 'Healing' is too vague. It'll take Nika a while, but there will be moments where the light shines through. There will be moments where people are disarmed of their own bullshit. Fuck, even Bella might get over herself. What will Bella's personality become?
Actually, I'm going to stop, the whisky's kicking in. What was I even replying to?
Is this a ghostbusters reference??? Or do you legit want Sasha to be Shub-Niggurath???? Or *gasp* Summer???? Where will it end????
Bold of you to assume anyone here knows what the hell is going on here.I´m so lost in this thread...
I started writing a reply, it was glorious. But then the whisky won and I accidentally closed the page before posting..... at very least Ocean is better than I was just then with his posts and updatesAmazing post as usual Bob. I agree on all counts. Feels like we keep rehashing the same stuff over and over again but I can't help it that they remain relevant. I can't help it if Ocean instead of fixing the glaring issues just keeps introducing new problems with each new update. That's how "Lost" (TV show) for example died for me. You can't answer 1 question then introduce 3 new questions right after. At some point the story can't sustain itself and viewers/readers/players lose interest.
Agreed. I relentlessly highlight the negatives because I believe that has greater odds for meaningful improvement then blindly praising it. It doesn't bother me that people LOVE this game and want to defend Ocean as long as they remain objective about it.
This is just blatant reaction farming from the big ol' Katie simp that lurks around these parts. Shame on you!
Fucking agreed! It does start to seem like it doesn't it? I've been saying this shit for ages, the emotional heights this game was able to achieve consistently pre ch3.5 were amazing. It seems bland now by comparison. I still feel something here and there while playing it but it's so much more forced and soft and tame.
Question for the ages. Why is WiAB so much more sound, solid and competent in all aspects than SG? It's written by the same person. Story and dialogue by the same person as far as we know yet the quality disparity is glaring. There is only one explanation. Reworks. That's why I call this game Frankenstein's monster. It's barely more than a mishmash of scenes held together by hopes and prayers. By "turn your brain off" moments and a smidge of suspension of disbelief. With a side of retroactive changes of course. How does this help the story? How can you even claim "the rework improved the game massively" with a straight face unless all you do is look at the pretty renders and fuck everything else?
Sorry for not tagging you in the comment right under yours that was directly reacting to your post, i noticed you tend to be slower with understanding things. I am also getting very angry and violated yes not you guys, when every 2nd post that was directed towards me was angered and told me to shush and take my negative opinion elsewhere. First i tried to make converstation, but had to stoop down my lvl.I was not sure if you were addressing this to me, man, because today I got the impression that me quoting you made you feel violated.
Look, I'm a simple guy, so feel free to @ or quote me if you're addressing me in your post.
Dude, I didn't give a fuck who killed Laura Palmer for the entire first season of Twin Picks, and you're talking about some fucking Summer. I think there's too much of her already. Let her appear in flashbacks and let her body stay wherever it is now. It would be really awkward if she showed up on the doorstep one day when the MC finally got up the wormy and gave some spermy to Bella's greedy vajayjay.
Or, to put it another way, a very common trope where a mystery in a book or movie, while it's the basis for the main plot, ends up being left unrevealed. I'm not even sure that anyone who survives to see the ending will know what the fuck is happened to thatbitchpoor child. This is the base.
Don't even start with the bases per year. I have no compassion for blueballed sexwhen-ers. Move your lazy ass, find a quality fap material yourself or ask in the recommendation section of the forum. We don't do that here. This is a story-focused game with adult elements and not the other way around.
No, we want a rework to bring the graphics quality of the first chapters in line with the subsequent ones. So that we can sell the game through Steam. It would be cool to read the reviews when guys saw scenes from the 4th and 5th chapters in the ads, bought the game and when they launched it they saw this.
Oh, and also, we had to bring the illustrations in line with the plot, after the completely fucked in the head version of MC was cancelled. You know, the one who tried to shoot Marla.You don't have permission to view the spoiler content. Log in or register now.
I know, right? Glad you're starting to understand.
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Yeah, and we get that. We've been here too. Ocean's posting new renders of S2 which are not reworks in devlogs. Ch1 of S2 is half to 2/3 the size of S1 and he's aiming to do that in less than a year. Why not watch the devlogs and loog at where things are going, rather than obseessing over the problems of the past? S2 will be a lot less restrained because he knows he can't keep it PG. So... if you like it enough to be frustrated by it, learn patience or give up on it. There's not really any middle ground where we can give some sort of consolation prize or special code to unlock the hidden portion of the game that some monk in tibet uploaded.Sorry for not tagging you in the comment right under yours that was directly reacting to your post, i noticed you tend to be slower with understanding things. I am also getting very angry and violated yes not you guys, when every 2nd post that was directed towards me was angered and told me to shush and take my negative opinion elsewhere. First i tried to make converstation, but had to stoop down my lvl.
Sadly youre not grasping the essence of my writing time and time again,and am a bit tired of explaining myself and give more examples so just going to paste my rating which summarise my thoughts and be on my way.
This game is a loop, in each update we keep repeating every scene to scene and get close to nothing new. in 2019 we already played the basketball scene, we knew that bella and ayua are racers we did our hair like 10 times already at the barber with bella, knew that the mother character got a new boyfriend that Nami is into us, we stole the heirloom and went to therapy 10 times mc still impotent(which doesn't add anything to the whole story, just a nuisance), mila is still accused of stealing, saw victoria getting hit by a car on and on and on. And after 5 years of development, we are getting The Same story once again, but with better visuals. I'm usually not some1 to degrade some1-s work or anything, but the game states its a slow burn game, but in reality its a loop for the dev to improve his daz skills and not to tell a story. 5 years of visual updates and close to 0 new content.
With this i bid you farewell and hope youre going to enjoy this game where more money/ better rig still means 1 update per year for both games (if youre lucky)[what was promised 3 months/chap?].
Take Summers Gone, for instance. On the surface, it might not have the trappings of a traditional epic with sprawling quests and celestial battles, but it delves deeply into themes of nostalgia, loss, and personal growth. The emotional depth and complexity of its narrative can be considered epic in the sense of its impact and scope within the human experience.
You guys nailed it. This is something I felt but couldn't formulate. The emotional impact and depth of the story is probably the deciding factor that let me put this game above any other AVN in my book.Maybe he hits these emotional inflection points purely by accident/intuition rather than design, and then overthinks it, but damn, I love those moments. They happen despite what's arround them (Sasha's moment while Nika's panicking is glorious, and completely divorced from the cluedo style of the bookclub, it happens in that context, but is apart from it, same as Nia's loneliness).
It's probably because of my modem.i noticed you tend to be slower with understanding things.
Sure bro, whatever you sayThis game is a loop,
Rest assured, I will enjoy every future update. And don't be so dramatic, the zone is quite large and I am subscribed to many threads, so there is a good chance we will meet in another thread, see ya, I am sure you are as much excited about it as I am.With this i bid you farewell and hope youre going to enjoy this game where more money/ better rig still means 1 update per year for both games (if youre lucky)[what was promised 3 months/chap?].
I only want it...if we can kick them all in the crotch untill they pass awayOne day we will have a game with real Landlords
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Don't worry about it bud... Everything is good. If anyone asks just take the blue pill. Stay in the Matrix! Blissful ignorance is underratedI´m so lost in this thread...
I´m so lost in this thread..,
Don't listen to RNasc, man! The MC in the first season isn't allowed to have an erection, the blue pill is cheating and a permanent ban!Don't worry about it bud... Everything is good. If anyone asks just take the blue pill.