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I fully agree over the intimacy and this is one of the things that I think Ocean does greatly, would hate to see it trowed out of widow over some lewd - nor do I think it has risk of it - Zara has showed that acts with out thinking and I believe that this render is her once gain letting her intrusive thought win, while naked in the jacuzzi.
Sadly I fully agree with RNasc4444 over Nami, well maybe not fully, as I don't think it is ruined but I disagree that her progression is better now. Personally, I believe it was much more natural before, she was constantly moving the line of what was okay until MC either deiced to accept or put a end to it, and it was a character trait of her, Nami now is much more tamed not only that she just deiced to dry hump him with out a escalation, Ocean did not cut it he just did not showed it. I don't think it is ruined but I can't say that I like this version more either.
I feel most of Nami holes will be filled as the story progress - I am well aware of how this sentence sounds and I stand by it in both meanings - as she is too much of a central character to not have them answered. This extents to most of the questions of S1, SG is aimed to be a fucking long game, I am fine with waiting for answers but I also think that good stories needs progression, and while I really like Ocean character work the story need to move, we had some of that in Ch5 but we still need more.
Honestly I don't know if I want a directors cut of S1, in 15 years time, I don't fault Ocean too much over how it came to be, you can feel the frustration over it while playing, the man did not have more patience for it. I can only speculate but I fell that SG only fully realized in Ocean mind around Ch4 and when doing the rework he saw that 3 and 3.5 also need adjusted, tried to power it thorough and at some point said, "that is it I am done". About the ambiguity, well, it is what it is I can live with it. I just am not sure if devs will want to trade Patreon over Steam, Steam may be big money but Patreon is more reliable.
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I'm outta reacts, so a quick reply, I mostly agree, but with Nami, the important part of her path is the uncertainty that she isn't alone, and that she is masking herself because Nika is 'more' damaged. She's hiding from those closest to her, hiding her feelings and her extroversion is a form of masking.
The important things that were lost (in my opinion) were the morning after bed scene, because it shows she's trying so hard to be the master pervert and gross him out (just like she does with the espresso, she has to be more extreme to prove she belongs) and the way the discussion when she found out about Nick went, I think the rework is more appropriate, but loses the raw vulnerability there. After the rework, instead we have Nami not snitching Nika out if you go on the heist, showing how she'll even cover for his bullshit, and has his back even when she's angry at him, and we have the talk on the bike that shows a vulnerability as well as revealing a plot point - Nika has some form of criminal record.
The other thing we gain is seeing that so much of Nami is an act she's switching between two different personalities, and Nika recognises it, as she's been put in a situation where she finally has to share Nika with other girls. She's not used to it, and she didn't cope with sharing it when Summer was around. Most of Nami's uncertainty stems from her relationship with Nika. It makes her pulling away when he comes on strong more believable, especially as she's seen how all the other girls are reacting to him. Previously her reticence after the kiss and in Ch5 felt like a pulling back from her character, After all, up to that point she's the one agressively arguing agains people's opinions, and being the courageous one. Now to me it feels like a linear escalation of the indicisive and uncertain tendencies I've seen from start to finish, she doesn't know what she wants, or won't admit it.
I don't mention the spa, simply because I personally saw it as fan service rather than a genuine lewd from the story progression. I know a lot of europeans have the public bathing nudity thing going on, but a sex act at that time in someone else's house when you're trying to make a good impression? It was a lewd for the sake of having a lewd in the game, we already know from the lake Nami can get him chubby. I have no problem with that, but I do believe the bathroom scene will be far more interesting, and easier for them to hide from Zara/Vanessa/Mila. Scratch that, there's no hiding from Vanessa.
So we win and lose. The loses can be added back in in future chapters in different scenes. There will be equivalent moments to build raw vulnerable moments - Nami's tears when she's overwhelmed when you chose her path is far more raw and vulnerable than the earlier scene. I'm also not denying that for some people these scenes were important, but in the terms of a story arc with 80% left to go, I think they're actually minor and can build more naturally over the next 80%, even if some lovely moments disappeared.
Works in progress are very much a play at your own risk thing.
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Reaction limit: Exactly, well put. Lewd action figure Nami I found unattractive, current Nami I feel more protective of and more attracted to. But it's a personal reaction.
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Previous Nami: A quirky girl with a high libido who knows how to turn a man on, isn't shy about getting close and pushing boundaries with the guy she likes. She can easily watch porn with him, offers to teach him how to sexually satisfy Bella, can easily pet and French kiss him while waking up half naked in the same bed. Tells her friend Nia at the gym that she has no sexual experience. Says she's a virgin at the movie night with Vic and Mila.
Today Nami: A quirky girl with a high libido who is just learning how to turn a man on, wants to get closer to the guy she likes, and is testing the waters by pushing the boundaries a little. She seems to be slowly being guided by her more sexually experienced friend Nia, so she cautiously tries new things with Nika, without yet making it an outright invitation to fuck her right away. Tells Nia at the gym that she has no sexual experience. Says she's a virgin at a movie night with Vic and Mila.
I don't know, I'm fine with both options, but I think the previous Nami is more of a lewd game character.
Nami is insignificant.She will most likely perish in Season 3 while attempting to steal bread rolls from the elves.
This game belongs to Bella.
This game belongs to Bella.
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That mouse is gonna come back with a Vengeance.
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Stop playing these fucking college games with these fucking freshman MCs!You know what I find curious, that the protagonists almost never have their own house, they always have a landlady or landlord to have the excuse of sex.
I mean, you're still allowed to play SG.
If i want to fully see all the content from old chapter to latest with nsfw, what version am i need to download, steam version chapter 5 beta or the uncut mod, pls help,
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Wasn't there a theory that he was there once? That's why Nami reacted the way she did when he joined Bella in the heist.
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Charges were mentioned, not prison time or a conviction - he's got a clean rep when Ceril checks.
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a few scenes lost the raw emotions and impact with the re-writes and the spa scenes came out of nowhere and felt dumb.
the spa scene would've happened once Mc was living with Zara and Vanessa and should've been at a consequence of either Zara and Mc trying to 1 up each other (because of their competitive nature) or Vanessa and Mc pushing each others butons (because of their manipulative nature) .
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"You want some bibi"
Yeah....his I'm bored,just petty revenge isn't enough gonna fuck over this whole family for funsies,will land his ass in prison if he doesn't fuck off lol.
Especially if he hangs out with Bella too much
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It's impossible to disagree with this.
Yep, maybe that's why Ocean gives us a preview of Zara in the spa. Nami has a far more intimate moment in the bathroom, almost candle lit. It'll be interesting to see how things develop now we're over S1. The good thing about Ocean getting heavily into season 2 is season 1 gets pushed away from the front of his mind and he's more likely to just keep going forward. Maybe he'll fix some of the script things when he's doing the translations though. He's already pushed updates to steam for some minor typos I believe.
The raw impact being lost, I don't mind, because I like the idea that the impacts get greater the more we interact with the characters. The criticism of how quickly people get to know one another is valid, but it's also unavoidable. I think Ocean's idea with Amber is the right one, establish her as a believable character rather than establish her lewd creds. But it's hard to forget things we've seen over the years as though they didn't happen.
Most likely narrow escapes, due to Vanessa's influence over Mario for what we've seen. But Bella will get him into trouble in some fashion.
Especially if he hangs out with Bella too much
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Maybe in Bella's end we'll have a time jump to 10 years later with the two of them breaking out of prison to escape to Mexico
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Somewhere Ocean DID mention that Nika leaves Wollust for a time, naively I'd assumed that meant a basketball final