VN Ren'Py Summer's Gone [S1 Steam + DLC] [Oceanlab]

[yossa999]

I mean...it doesn't help that we've spent the past 3 years of development in like 3 game days... I'm still waiting on the sparring session with Ayua on Sunday. They made plans at the start or middle of the week. It's been 3 years since chapter 2 or 3 came out AND IT'S STILL NOT FUCKING SUNDAY!

Imo, the entire game is one huge "just roll with it"

I still like it enough, though. It's not on my top 10, it's not a big priority for me compared to other games but I still enjoy it somewhat and understand that so many others do too. And I have no issue when yossa999 calls it "one of the best stories on this site". I'm sure SG is top 100 in that regard. But we have to admit AVN's don't usually set a high standard for storytelling so it's not that big of an accomplishment.

Fuck your sparring, I want my cabin therapy session with Amber!

When I hear about good storytelling, quality of writing and other crap, I start to feel a little butthurt!

Metrics, bitches, give me a metric by which you measure whether a story is good or bad. Are you sure it's universal?
I can only come up with something like the ratio of grammatical errors to the volume of text. But personally, I don't give a shit about that.

Every bitch on the internet writes an article every now and then called "The Six Rules of Great Storytelling" or something like that. Even on this fucking site you can find this shit, like the 12-rules-guy's opus. Do you agree with their criteria for a good game?

My "This game has the best story on this site" is as much bullshit as yours "Ocean is a bad storyteller". It's just old good "I like/I hate", nothing objective in that.

 

[N1ghtcrawler]

Vanessa, however, strikes me as the creepy roomie who you find standing over you, just staring at you at 3 AM when something woke you from a sound sleep.

Before you can even say a word, she turns and leaves the room, making you wonder if you were dreaming.

Then you remember that you locked the door before you went to sleep and it is now open...

 

[Talmadge]

Question. Do we get any more on Cheeto's back story? I know her parents died like the MC's. But do we know when? And when she came to live with him and Namji? [I think that's her name].

The way I read it, the MC came to live with her at 3 when they died. Which leads me to believe they are a foster family instead of a regular Landlady/Tenant relationship.

Plus, I'm a sucker for a good back story.

 

[BobTheDuck]

Question. Do we get any more on Cheeto's back story? I know her parents died like the MC's. But do we know when? And when she came to live with him and Namji? [I think that's her name].

The way I read it, the MC came to live with her at 3 when they died. Which leads me to believe they are a foster family instead of a regular Landlady/Tenant relationship.

Plus, I'm a sucker for a good back story.

Nojiko took Nika and Nami in when their parents died in car crashes, when Nika was 3 and Nami was 4 (Nami is a year older). I think that's explained early on, but you can blink and miss it. I'm not really spoiling anything with that. There's a lot of argument over what is intended there. I believe the foster family thing based on the surname, I already posted about this today so I won't double up. As far as to why they're with Noji, there's some interesting thoughts in ch5, but it's all reading between the lines stuff - no one knows the story there yet.

About Cheeto's back story you'll find out more as the story progresses, as we find out more about Nika we find out more about Nami also. Because I don't know how far into season 1 you've gotten, I won't say things directly, other than if you want to find out about Nami, you have to do the things she likes to get all their interactions. If you're on Bella's path doing things with Bella, you'll miss important conversations that give details. This isn't like most AVNs - if you do A, you don't get to do B, and nothing tells you you missed something. But if you do B, Nika doesn't know in game what happened if you do A. So it's worth doing different saves to find out more of the story.

 

[AlexFXR]

The Q&A literally says that Regium only rendered chapter 1 dude. Keep up.

Well, I'm not arguing. Regium made the first chapter and part two, where am I wrong? In the old version, you can even see it in the dialogues, which is what I wrote.

It's not a serie, it's a game and a work in progress. The remake was a one time thing and was due to tremendous improvement in render and writing quality. If you go back and play in the early game, it's rough, grainy, and not pleasing to the eyes.

This has been discussed 100 times already. The fact that Ocean bought a new Genesis and improved the image does not make the game better. No one asked him to do this, everyone was against it, because with new renders the meaning of the game changed. If Ocean had simply improved the image without changing the dialogues, I think there would not have been so much negativity.

Why did you decide that the image quality affects anything in AVN? Ocean's images are more beautiful than DPC's, but at the same time he has 10 times fewer patreons. NLT has generally terrible images, but at the same time he also has more patreons than Ocean. If you compare these artists, then only Ocean treats his fans the worst. Maybe this is the problem?

The bet would be lost if he had lost most of his paid patreon member. He did not. His steam did well for a first release. The removing of any spicy picture, regrettable as it is, was forced upon Ocean because of steam and the country he lives in. He already lost the patreon of his other game WIAB, who was terminated because it didn't meet ToS. Now imagine you are a dev, and you lose your patreon and the paid member you had for years over bullshit. Wouldn't you be a little paranoid?

Here's the analytics taking from 2021 to today. Despite the hiccup, the remake, his patreon is still strong, and will keep growing once the SEASON 2 is out. Now, tell me where is the “failure” you are talking about?

It doesn't work like that. Even abandoned games have subscribers on Patreon because people buy support for a year straight away and when they leave, their support is still shown.

This is the funniest attempt at deception I've ever seen. You say his Patreon is strong and growing and then you post a picture of his stats that contradicts your words. This is just genius...
I'll even highlight the rating drop in red on the chart.

 

[Talmadge]

Nojiko took Nika and Nami in when their parents died in car crashes, when Nika was 3 and Nami was 4 (Nami is a year older). I think that's explained early on, but you can blink and miss it. I'm not really spoiling anything with that. There's a lot of argument over what is intended there. I believe the foster family thing based on the surname, I already posted about this today so I won't double up. As far as to why they're with Noji, there's some interesting thoughts in ch5, but it's all reading between the lines stuff - no one knows the story there yet.

About Cheeto's back story you'll find out more as the story progresses, as we find out more about Nika we find out more about Nami also. Because I don't know how far into season 1 you've gotten, I won't say things directly, other than if you want to find out about Nami, you have to do the things she likes to get all their interactions. If you're on Bella's path doing things with Bella, you'll miss important conversations that give details. This isn't like most AVNs - if you do A, you don't get to do B, and nothing tells you you missed something. But if you do B, Nika doesn't know in game what happened if you do A. So it's worth doing different saves to find out more of the story.

Alright. Thanks for the help. I don't care if someone spoils something for me. As I'll still play. But thank you for giving me the heads up about some of this.

 

[BobTheDuck]

Alright. Thanks for the help. I don't care if someone spoils something for me. As I'll still play. But thank you for giving me the heads up about some of this.

The joy of the game for me is when you find out something, you realise and things click into place. Ocean is pretty careful about when he lets the player know important things, and even if you don't mind the spoiler, I wouldn't want you to lose the moments with my words which don't have pretty renders

 

[Dr.TSoni]

Imo, the entire game is one huge "just roll with it"

Let's be honest it should be a disclaimer after the blue balls police. Or at least a Cheeto gif

 

[vampires69'in]

Let's be honest it should be a disclaimer after the blue balls police. Or at least a Cheeto gif
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[Penfold Mole]

They are. Do you really think an Asian woman

Since the start of development back in 2019, Nojiko has always been their mothers best friend who adopted them after their parents died in a car crash (Or at least that's what they've always been told about their parents ).

is blood related with a tanned green eyed man, who is related to a pale skinned redhead?

Well, that can easily be explained by the plain and simple effect of recessive genes.

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as all recessive genes can be "hidden" for several generations along the bloodline until they meet redhead genes from another parent. That explanation is plausible and happens often enough IRL. And pale skin with freckles comes with the red hair, caused by the same gene mutation.

 

[Mamaragan]

Well, I'm not arguing. Regium made the first chapter and part two, where am I wrong? In the old version, you can even see it in the dialogues, which is what I wrote.

He didn't make the first chapter, he rendered it.

This has been discussed 100 times already. The fact that Ocean bought a new Genesis and improved the image does not make the game better. No one asked him to do this, everyone was against it, because with new renders the meaning of the game changed. If Ocean had simply improved the image without changing the dialogues, I think there would not have been so much negativity.

Why did you decide that the image quality affects anything in AVN? Ocean's images are more beautiful than DPC's, but at the same time he has 10 times fewer patreons. NLT has generally terrible images, but at the same time he also has more patreons than Ocean. If you compare these artists, then only Ocean treats his fans the worst. Maybe this is the problem?

You gotta stop with DPC. No dev have more patreon than him. And his render are good. Yes, not as good as Ocean, but still good nonetheless.

You don't have to ask him anything, it's HIS game. If you are telling me that changing this :
To what we have now, was "unnecessary" , you are deluded. The gap is too wide.

It doesn't work like that. Even abandoned games have subscribers on Patreon because people buy support for a year straight away and when they leave, their support is still shown.

This is the funniest attempt at deception I've ever seen. You say his Patreon is strong and growing and then you post a picture of his stats that contradicts your words. This is just genius...
I'll even highlight the rating drop in red on the chart

I know you have difficulties reading, but His patreon, despite SG being on a halt for the remake, is at the level of mid/end of 2023. After a year or more without content, his patreon is steady and hold. If it was any other dev, the patreon would have taken a nosedive onto nothingness. And again, reading comprehension, I didn't say his patreon grow, I said it WILL grow once season 2 is here.

I wanted to check your other messages to see what's what, and Oh boy I wasn't disappointed.



LMAO your messages over 3 months are exclusively about summer's gone and how much you hate it . Goddamn, you behave like an ex-girlfriend with hurt feeling, who's stalking her ex bf with tears in her eyes trying to talk shit at every turn
Seek help dude. I understand hating the game, it's fine. Say your piece and move on. But now? Come on dude, to behave like that, Ocean must have hurt you somewhere.

 

[LHDLLB]

Clearly? At least? Nothing is clear other than Ocean hasn't clarified. My take is that Noji was intended as an adopted parent, and it's possible they are step siblings. But equally likely is that Noji is their foster parent, whether formally or informally. If informally, that would explain Jenna's comment about Noji having "done the right thing". ie if Noji has done all this off the books, out of loyalty to Nika and Nami's parents, whoever they are, that would explain why a doctor is poor, raising two kids with no partner and no sweet govt kickbacks. Saying Noji "did the right thing" is a really, really weird comment which I'm sure we'll find out more about. Especially the way Ocean zooms in on Jenna's eye right after as she keeps the secret of what Noji did. If it was just a simple explanation, Ocean wouldn't need this setup in the bookclub. This implies it's far more of a drama that is really part of the story, and Ocean's clumsy fumbling with Noji's surname is him trying to work out the best way to tell that part.

And yes patreon made it hard, but there's no indication Noji was ever married that I can recall, she's looked after Nika and Nami since they were 3 and 4, they'd know about any photos of ex husbands in the 15 years they've lived with her. Nika recalls his mums voice reading to him... Basically we really know nothing other than they live with Noji and she is their undefined caregiver, and her surname is Miyazaki, not Cyrus. This means most likely foster parent/guardian. We don't even know if Nami's surname is Cyrus, only that Nika's is - you can check the script for that easily. This is just all we have to really go on, and it's not much.

I think that the lack of clarification from Ocean part can be interpreted as a confirmation, he had plenty of opportunities to make a clear statement, in game, of the nature of their relationship, that added to the media and its code words plus WiaB and older SG versions... I don't blame anyone for making assumptions. But I find your observation over Jenna comment interesting, I always assumed that it was related to keep Nami and Nika away from the Zanes, did not read much into it at first but am curious now.

 

[Mamaragan]

I think that the lack of clarification from Ocean part can be interpreted as a confirmation, he had plenty of opportunities to make a clear statement, in game, of the nature of their relationship, that added to the media and its code words plus WiaB and older SG versions... I don't blame anyone for making assumptions. But I find your observation over Jenna comment interesting, I always assumed that it was related to keep Nami and Nika away from the Zanes, did not read much into it at first but am curious now.

Frankly, I would take offense if Ocean went with the route of MC being a Zane, rather than Nami/MC being siblings (or not). The interaction with Katie was weird

 

[Maviarab]

The interaction with Katie was weird

Spoiler: LIES!

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Every interaction with the Goddess is as perfect and heavenly as it should be.

 

[LHDLLB]

It's less ridiculous than landlady's and roomies lol. That's how much I hate that shit lol. His unnatural muscle growth is.... I just roll with it lol. his hair.... I just don't even acknowledge how it or why it works. or how they're having a sleepover within a week of meeting or how Bella and Nika can become soulmates within a week lol. I think even Nadia commented on it, lol. Idunno, there's plenty in this game I don't know how I accept it. I guess I just like what I like regardless of fuckery in this game

I mean is a piece of entertainment media, it does not need nor should resemble real life with 100% accuracy. The reason you and most of us just roll with those things is because they provide entertainment and makes enough sense in game to be happening, it has passed less than a week in game but of this week 70% we passed with Bella and in this time they shared intimate moments that made them bond, is not something that would happen in real life so easily but the game make the leg work to make it believable same as Milla and Vic friendship. The hair and the muscle growth is the same, it does not reflect reality but it does not needs to, in this case style wins over substances, is more important have a good looking MC than a real representation of muscle growth and diet and all that. In the end even the best stories are just entertainment and will ask you to suspend your disbelief, there is no reason to hold SG or any other AVN in a higher regard in this criteria.

The problem is that the story does not make a statement over Nika's household relationship, it is written in a way but referenced in another that creates distortions and friction in the storytelling, granted not Ocean faults, but this things makes harder to just roll with it as we do with some many others thing.

 

[LHDLLB]

Frankly, I would take offense if Ocean went with the route of MC being a Zane, rather than Nami/MC being siblings (or not). The interaction with Katie was weird

I love the ideia of Nika be a lost Zane, specially William's son, for very different reasons but in short I think it would server the story better, but I think that Nami has more chances of that. Katie interaction was weird as was the Adriana and Sasha glancing at each other over Jenna comments on William's backshoots, there is many weirds things in the book club, the problem is that we don't have a single clue as why they are weird so we go crazy with speculation.

 

[BobTheDuck]

I think that the lack of clarification from Ocean part can be interpreted as a confirmation, he had plenty of opportunities to make a clear statement, in game, of the nature of their relationship, that added to the media and its code words plus WiaB and older SG versions... I don't blame anyone for making assumptions. But I find your observation over Jenna comment interesting, I always assumed that it was related to keep Nami and Nika away from the Zanes, did not read much into it at first but am curious now.

Well the thing is, we'll find out while playing at some point. It's not an endless mystery, it's get more frustrating to Ocean to keep dancing around it, whichever side of the fence it falls. Current facts are that we don't know if Nami's a Cyrus like Nika, we know Noji isn't a Cyrus, and we have the odd way they interact. We'll just keep picking at the knot until the reveal of the situation, but we won't discover the answer before time I don't think. Ocean loves reveals, after all every render is intended as a reveal, which is why the thing with Jenna makes it seem like there's a far more complicatd undercurrent to the situation.

Frankly, I would take offense if Ocean went with the route of MC being a Zane, rather than Nami/MC being siblings (or not). The interaction with Katie was weird

Yeah, I mean, Ocean used the same model for teenage William as teenage Nika in old WiaB, but current WiaBthere's a different model. Nika being a Zane and being abandoned means jerk Willi won all of WiaB by being a jerk, because he abandons his sprogs, except Ayua, oh and all Ayua's sisters/cousins. Maybe it's completely and Oedipus thing, Nika was prophesied to topple his father's empire, so he was left on a mountainside in a cabin where Noji could find him and raise him....

Smells like gorgonzola? It's cheese.

I'd be interested to see that prude Noji thought she could rescue NIka and Nami from being corrupted by the Zane influence, which presumes they have some connection, whether the Cyrus's were competitors and the Zane's took them as wards maybe? Also cheese, so I'm hoping for a better explanation at some point.

 

[LHDLLB]

Well the thing is, we'll find out while playing at some point. It's not an endless mystery, it's get more frustrating to Ocean to keep dancing around it, whichever side of the fence it falls. Current facts are that we don't know if Nami's a Cyrus like Nika, we know Noji isn't a Cyrus, and we have the odd way they interact. We'll just keep picking at the knot until the reveal of the situation, but we won't discover the answer before time I don't think. Ocean loves reveals, after all every render is intended as a reveal, which is why the thing with Jenna makes it seem like there's a far more complicatd undercurrent to the situation.



Yeah, I mean, Ocean used the same model for teenage William as teenage Nika in old WiaB, but current WiaBthere's a different model. Nika being a Zane and being abandoned means jerk Willi won all of WiaB by being a jerk, because he abandons his sprogs, except Ayua, oh and all Ayua's sisters/cousins. Maybe it's completely and Oedipus thing, Nika was prophesied to topple his father's empire, so he was left on a mountainside in a cabin where Noji could find him and raise him....

Smells like gorgonzola? It's cheese.

I'd be interested to see that prude Noji thought she could rescue NIka and Nami from being corrupted by the Zane influence, which presumes they have some connection, whether the Cyrus's were competitors and the Zane's took them as wards maybe? Also cheese, so I'm hoping for a better explanation at some point.

The problem is that it can't land on one side of the fence, so either Ocean keeps the ambitiousness all the way till the end or he has a hell of a ace up his sleeve to make it all make sense. Because is hard to guess Ocean can't say for forces outside of his power and what he can't say because is not the right moment for the story and so everybody interpretations is just as valid.

Cheese is good, Nika being William son in cheese as hell but being cheese does not make it bad. I think that there is good potential there and see the two different personality clash in a father and son dynamics seems pretty interesting to me. About jerk William... I don't think a good William can survive WiaB, he may repair his relationship at cost of others, but I can see a happy end for SG I don't think that there will anything but bittersweetness for WIAB

 

[Dr.TSoni]

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[Penfold Mole]

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