VN Ren'Py Summer's Gone [S1 Steam + DLC] [Oceanlab]

[BobTheDuck]

I think here we diverge of talking only of SG, I 100% agree with you and if we are talking only about a novel there is nothing that I would add, however this is a interative media and while I don't think that authors should limit themselves on the behalf of the player, I also don't think they should be careless with it, you should give as much control over the story and its character as possible. I am fine with chosen the lesser of two evils, with unfair choices and even with choices that we as player don't have enough information to make - you buy the burguer with the sweet or spyce sauce ?- and I am fine with bad outcomes as well, what I don't like is to be stripped down of a choice - here I am not talking about SG- in ordem to have a determined outcome.

About the Nami situation I also agree with you, to clarify my point I feel that if Nami never moves on from the MC even when being "exploit" by him a bad idea not because is in itself a bad narrative, but because in my eyes, given the nature of the story's theme such decisions should be punished, they should lead to a bad outcome to the Mc and have Nami as a spare pussy feels like a reward to a much darker story. In this sense I also agree with Nika growing protective, we have some of that in Vic story already, is a great story and think those choices that diverge from that are the choices that "should" lead to a bad outcome because they go against the story themes. Rewarding a Mc that becomes more selfish don't makes sense in a story that is about open up.

Unfairness is a great narrative tool - I still am not over Bambi's opening or Bridge to Terabithia ending- and in AVNs it can hit more harder because it can be a consequence of your actions that breed a unjust outcome, but still has to have a narrative sense to any unjustness otherwise it is just... I don't know, sadism. For what I can tell we pretty much agree, but we are approaching it from different angles.

Oh yes, I think we're mostly on the same page. I'm not for stripping away choices, but we make choices based on what we think we know - ie the chicken burger choice ideal is bot terrible and great in a way. It's a choice where we can't know the outcome. Make it a less flippant choice where the character has to choose between (metaphorically) pepsi or coke, and suddenly the character has forgotten about water. That's the kind of choices that I like, one where the outcomes feel uncertain. But it is a risk, because it can feel meaningless if done as poorly as the chicken burger in WiaB.

It's like Nika chooses to go to the gym alone and meets Robin and Sasha, but what he learns from them is mutually exclusive from what he learns if he goes with Nami or Mila. In Nami's case, we find out Nia knew something about Summer, well before CH5. If Nika goes to the Holgerson raid, then he doesn't find out Couch Hill has been watching his progress from before Summer disappeared. There's all these choices where there are outcomes that are contingent on the choice, but unrelated specifically - the choice positions Nika in a new situation, which leads to different events. The chikcen burger is bad, because there is literally no reason to choose one over the other, while these choices in SG do have a reason to differentiate.

I am just thinking that the consequences of the choice can be escalated, and riskier. I'm sure it'll happen.

 

[Dr.TSoni]

Why everyone loves SG's MC is a mystery to me. A pale, "hobo looking" shut-in with poor social skills and a manipulative nature, that approaches every conversation with a blunt dickishness. Dude's 10x worse than Vanessa. And yet somehow everyone seems drawn to him even when he treats them like garbage.

It's so off-putting watching sweet naive and innocent Vic watch him be an asshole and still treat him warmly. Even though I'd consider him a decent person, he projects a far less sympathetic persona.

The real question is how is Amber von Halen supposed to fall madly in love with this tool?

 

[RNasc4444]

The real question is how is Amber von Halen supposed to fall madly in love with this tool?

She'll do what almost every other woman does. "Fix" their man. I know because I've been a "work in progress" for a few women now since the day I was born

But seriously one of the reasons why I've liked Bella and Maja from the start is because they are antagonistic towards the MC at first. That makes sense to me. Mila's and Vic's fondness towards him on the other hand, is a little difficult to believe.

Overall I'll admit the MC grew on me with time. I'm a sucker for devotion. The minute he made clear Nami and Nojiko were "his people" and he wasn't gonna tolerate anyone or anything messing with them was when he changed my mind. He still acts like a douchebag but he isn't a bad person at all.

EDIT: I still maintain that toning his character down did him no favors. The panic attack shit is laughably bad and probably the main reason why I will never fully like him. I much preferred his depiction prior to these changes.

 

[vampires69'in]

The real question is how is Amber von Halen supposed to fall madly in love with this tool?

I like Nika, but I certainly don't see how he can get ms sensual whispers, lol . That's going to be an asspull If I ever saw one, probably not as bad as ones in those standard Isekai harem's...but still lol.

 

[alanrock]

The real question is how is Amber von Halen supposed to fall madly in love with this tool?

All it takes is for Amber to get stuck in the washing machine, and voilà, love is born.

 

[vampires69'in]

All it takes is for Amber to get stuck in the washing machine, and voilà, love is born.

 

[rudy007]

All it takes is for Amber to get stuck in the washing machine, and voilà, love is born.

She won't stuck in a washing machine, but MC will have the feeling somebody forgot him in washing machine after Amber is done with him...

 

[vampires69'in]

She won't stuck in a washing machine, but MC will have the feeling somebody forgot him in washing machine after Amber is done with him...

She's an enigma fan..... I feel it in my soul, lol. Fuck him with the incense and hit him with the Enigma music

 

[Dr.TSoni]

She won't stuck in a washing machine, but MC will have the feeling somebody forgot him in washing machine after Amber is done with him...

 

[vampires69'in]

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Ahh, I love Robin Hood men in tights, lol.

 

[alanrock]

Amber is going to be the most slutty mother-in-law of all time. We have to wait until season 5, though ....

 

[rudy007]

Amber is going to be the most slutty mother-in-law of all time. We have to wait until season 5, though ....

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That MILF is like walking Viagra...

 

[vampires69'in]

That MILF is like walking Viagra...

I can hear her voice without ever hearing her voice ,....I like her lol

 

[rudy007]

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Ahh, I love Robin Hood men in tights, lol.

Ahhhhh, good times with Mel Brooks movies...

 

[alanrock]

I can hear her voice without ever hearing her voice ,....I like her lol

 

[Den1mo]

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if this relationship really happens it will probably be the dumbest thing I've ever seen in history of avn

rich milf who wants relationship with some depressed teenager. she can literally have any man. rich and successful but she will choose someone like Nika. it doesn't even matter how it came about at all but it's completely illogical

I would understand if it was only about some "friend benefit sexual stuff relationship" where Amber wants to fulfill some desires or sexual fantasies. but the real relationship? that is so dumb

 

[vampires69'in]

if this relationship really happens it will probably be the dumbest thing I've ever seen in history of avn

rich milf who wants relationship with some depressed teenager. she can literally have any man. rich and successful but she will choose someone like Nika. it doesn't even matter how it came about at all but it's completely illogical

I would understand if it was only about some "friend benefit sexual stuff relationship" where Amber wants to fulfill some desires or sexual fantasies. but the real relationship? that is so dumb

It would be some literal shit I've seen in most Isekai, like some powerful Lady that has it all, cool personality, then some random basic bitch comes out of nowhere and 2 weeks later he's all she can think about lol. Nika's not a basic bitch but, he is a doomer kid lol.

 

[Dr.TSoni]

if this relationship really happens it will probably be the dumbest thing I've ever seen in history of avn

rich milf who wants relationship with some depressed teenager. she can literally have any man. rich and successful but she will choose someone like Nika. it doesn't even matter how it came about at all but it's completely illogical

I would understand if it was only about some "friend benefit sexual stuff relationship" where Amber wants to fulfill some desires or sexual fantasies. but the real relationship? that is so dumb

 

[jaw1986baby]

if this relationship really happens it will probably be the dumbest thing I've ever seen in history of avn

rich milf who wants relationship with some depressed teenager. she can literally have any man. rich and successful but she will choose someone like Nika. it doesn't even matter how it came about at all but it's completely illogical

I would understand if it was only about some "friend benefit sexual stuff relationship" where Amber wants to fulfill some desires or sexual fantasies. but the real relationship? that is so dumb

Woman wanting to fix the broken
Extraordinarily common
That type of person becoming a shrink or nurse or something
Doubly so

 

[vampires69'in]

I'm going to get killed for this, but.. I don't want Amber as a love Interest for Nika. I want her as my love interest . Which is just as likely as me buying her having a genuine lovely dovey couple time with Nika. Not to mention, he's someone that can be some kind of emotional anchor and healing for her daughter that she very much cares for. You know, just ignoring the whole patient doctor thingy....