VN Ren'Py Summer's Gone [S1 Steam + DLC] [Oceanlab]

[BobTheDuck]

Yeah, but I read it differently. Before Nami was afraid, the teasing was a way to explore those feelings in a safer manner but when Nika becomes active it becomes to real and she backs down, now that all is in the open I don't see a reason to pretenses anymore. So I think that now she will expect Nika participation and will take offense in declines, and given how not subtle she is there is no that it stays a secret for long.




I think that I understand your point better now. There is some time since I have play it, but off path Nami is much more chill about you and others girls, Yandere Nami just shows up if you playing the field and is on her path, so to answer your question about what will Nami do, I think it depends on how much you feed her feelings and how much of a manwhore you are. That is why I say exploiting her feelings because even if Nilka is clueless, we as players, have more insight than him, so the choice to pursue her even when not having a interesting is ours. What I am saying that in this scenario given the nature of the story I think it fits better to have Nika paying the consequences of it than Nami. I really like the idea of Nami plus other LI, given that she likes roommates maybe Zara or Vanessa ?

Oh I also think that bad endings will exist, I am counting on them. But would seem unfair to me have other characters suffering from my bad decisions, so in a route that I take Nami for granted and do not value her feeling having her dumping the MC and find love elsewhere, for me works better, than one she just accepts being the spare.



Yeah, this seems the most likely route, but for that to happen Nika would need to be in great danger for them to team up. The thing i, bonding is not the same as lets form a throuple, I can see Nami and Bella reaching a peace agreement - Bella does not seems to care much about Nami - but to share Nika or they themselves become involved is another leap, one that I can see happening, but this isn why it has 32 chapters.

Exactly, the yandere Nami is the best way to put it. THe question is if you play as a guardian angel, or if you put yourself within the limits of what Nika knows. Stories often have consequences that fall far from the tree - Nika will make the decisions that satisfy his knowledge, but can't compensate or account for all the repurcussions (even if he thinks he's a brilliant chess player). I hope the choices for some of these things are unfair choices with no immediate 'good' outcome. FOr the story to be about healing, the risk has to be the damage of further inflicted harm, or at least the failure to heal.

So many games talk about meaningful consequences, that I'd really like to see some. But I also think Ocean will force some bad circumstances/outcomes for the sake of the plot regardless of what we choose. I do believe that Nika growing protective rather than manipulative would be part of a great story to me - not only healing for himself, but seeing the difficulties of others as worth being involved in, and taking hits not meant for him - regardless of whether this is for a LI or just in the course of the canon plot.

Unfairness is a tool that will give a great emotional weight to the game, a sense of justice tells us what we want to protect about life, so it's a fairly important reflection to have such questions in the game.

 

[vampires69'in]

Exactly, the yandere Nami is the best way to put it. THe question is if you play as a guardian angel, or if you put yourself within the limits of what Nika knows. Stories often have consequences that fall far from the tree - Nika will make the decisions that satisfy his knowledge, but can't compensate or account for all the repurcussions (even if he thinks he's a brilliant chess player). I hope the choices for some of these things are unfair choices with no immediate 'good' outcome. FOr the story to be about healing, the risk has to be the damage of further inflicted harm, or at least the failure to heal.

So many games talk about meaningful consequences, that I'd really like to see some. But I also think Ocean will force some bad circumstances/outcomes for the sake of the plot regardless of what we choose. I do believe that Nika growing protective rather than manipulative would be part of a great story to me - not only healing for himself, but seeing the difficulties of others as worth being involved in, and taking hits not meant for him - regardless of whether this is for a LI or just in the course of the canon plot.

Unfairness is a tool that will give a great emotional weight to the game, a sense of justice tells us what we want to protect about life, so it's a fairly important reflection to have such questions in the game.

I haven't really personally seen such meaningful consequences in games overall, sadly. cept... like dragon agerigins, mass effect kamidori alchemy meister lol. I would prefer such impactful choices woven in. I can also see some quality drama for it,

 

[BobTheDuck]

I haven't really personally seen such meaningful consequences in games overall, sadly. cept... like dragon agerigins, mass effect kamidori alchemy meister lol. I would prefer such impactful choices woven in. I can also see some quality drama for it,
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yep, but I was thinking more like the witcher, where there is no real 'hero' choice; even when you chose something you feel to be the moral or even just political correct choice, the ramifications can be endless, setting off a chain of events that works against you. Even in hindsight, knowing the outcomes, I'd still choose what I did, because it was the only decision I could reconcile. That's the sort of drama I'd love to see, Nika not just chosing a LI but Nika chosing to say, come forward about the break in to clear Mila's name, resulting in him being booted from the team for being a criminal, jail time etc. Choices like that are more appealing to me than simply unlocking the lewd scenes once they happen.

 

[hermit_tr]

It doesn't seem to have been posted here yet, I don't know if it fits MT.

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[vampires69'in]

yep, but I was thinking more like the witcher, where there is no real 'hero' choice; even when you chose something you feel to be the moral or even just political correct choice, the ramifications can be endless, setting off a chain of events that works against you. Even in hindsight, knowing the outcomes, I'd still choose what I did, because it was the only decision I could reconcile. That's the sort of drama I'd love to see, Nika not just chosing a LI but Nika chosing to say, come forward about the break in to clear Mila's name, resulting in him being booted from the team for being a criminal, jail time etc. Choices like that are more appealing to me than simply unlocking the lewd scenes once they happen.

I think that should be only an option. I can see that fucking up plenty, though. So I also doubt Ocean doing this. SO the amount of variance that would need to be accounted for.... I can't see it happening. But it's certainly fun to discuss it as a real possibility. Season 1 Nika seems far too closed lipped for this, but maybe something happens in season 2 that changes his mind. Providing him breaking in with Bella is made cannon vs optional that is. Although Bella will break in regardless and Mila will still be blamed.

 

[BobTheDuck]

I think that should be only an option. I can see that fucking up plenty, though. So I also doubt Ocean doing this. SO the amount of variance that would need to be accounted for.... I can't see it happening. But it's certainly fun to discuss it as a real possibility. Season 1 Nika seems far too closed lipped for this, but maybe something happens in season 2 that changes his mind. Providing him breaking in with Bella is made cannon vs optional that is. Although Bella will break in regardless and Mila will still be blamed.

That was just the first example that came to mind, but I'm sure there will be some form of moral dilemmas about situations we haven't come across yet. The consequnces of NIka's actions might or might not hit home regardless of his direct choices. People get upset when things don't go the way they expect as a player, but, you pointed out a bunch of great games that all have bad things happen as a result of choices - it makes the game challenging. The question is how much of a game does Ocean want to make it vs the pure story he wants to tell? I personally prefer these kinds of questions than decide what outfit a LI will wear.

Ocean can't use the line "Actions have consequences" for Nika in the locker room, and then avoid having consequences due to the player's moral compass. Well he can, I guess, but I'd prefer he gave weight to such a statement.

 

[LHDLLB]

Exactly, the yandere Nami is the best way to put it. THe question is if you play as a guardian angel, or if you put yourself within the limits of what Nika knows. Stories often have consequences that fall far from the tree - Nika will make the decisions that satisfy his knowledge, but can't compensate or account for all the repurcussions (even if he thinks he's a brilliant chess player). I hope the choices for some of these things are unfair choices with no immediate 'good' outcome. FOr the story to be about healing, the risk has to be the damage of further inflicted harm, or at least the failure to heal.

So many games talk about meaningful consequences, that I'd really like to see some. But I also think Ocean will force some bad circumstances/outcomes for the sake of the plot regardless of what we choose. I do believe that Nika growing protective rather than manipulative would be part of a great story to me - not only healing for himself, but seeing the difficulties of others as worth being involved in, and taking hits not meant for him - regardless of whether this is for a LI or just in the course of the canon plot.

Unfairness is a tool that will give a great emotional weight to the game, a sense of justice tells us what we want to protect about life, so it's a fairly important reflection to have such questions in the game.

I think here we diverge of talking only of SG, I 100% agree with you and if we are talking only about a novel there is nothing that I would add, however this is a interative media and while I don't think that authors should limit themselves on the behalf of the player, I also don't think they should be careless with it, you should give as much control over the story and its character as possible. I am fine with chosen the lesser of two evils, with unfair choices and even with choices that we as player don't have enough information to make - you buy the burguer with the sweet or spyce sauce ?- and I am fine with bad outcomes as well, what I don't like is to be stripped down of a choice - here I am not talking about SG- in ordem to have a determined outcome.

About the Nami situation I also agree with you, to clarify my point I feel that if Nami never moves on from the MC even when being "exploit" by him a bad idea not because is in itself a bad narrative, but because in my eyes, given the nature of the story's theme such decisions should be punished, they should lead to a bad outcome to the Mc and have Nami as a spare pussy feels like a reward to a much darker story. In this sense I also agree with Nika growing protective, we have some of that in Vic story already, is a great story and think those choices that diverge from that are the choices that "should" lead to a bad outcome because they go against the story themes. Rewarding a Mc that becomes more selfish don't makes sense in a story that is about open up.

Unfairness is a great narrative tool - I still am not over Bambi's opening or Bridge to Terabithia ending- and in AVNs it can hit more harder because it can be a consequence of your actions that breed a unjust outcome, but still has to have a narrative sense to any unjustness otherwise it is just... I don't know, sadism. For what I can tell we pretty much agree, but we are approaching it from different angles.

 

[vampires69'in]

I think here we diverge of talking only of SG, I 100% agree with you and if we are talking only about a novel there is nothing that I would add, however this is a interative media and while I don't think that authors should limit themselves on the behalf of the player, I also don't think they should be careless with it, you should give as much control over the story and its character as possible. I am fine with chosen the lesser of two evils, with unfair choices and even with choices that we as player don't have enough information to make - you buy the burguer with the sweet or spyce sauce ?- and I am fine with bad outcomes as well, what I don't like is to be stripped down of a choice - here I am not talking about SG- in ordem to have a determined outcome.

About the Nami situation I also agree with you, to clarify my point I feel that if Nami never moves on from the MC even when being "exploit" by him a bad idea not because is in itself a bad narrative, but because in my eyes, given the nature of the story's theme such decisions should be punished, they should lead to a bad outcome to the Mc and have Nami as a spare pussy feels like a reward to a much darker story. In this sense I also agree with Nika growing protective, we have some of that in Vic story already, is a great story and think those choices that diverge from that are the choices that "should" lead to a bad outcome because they go against the story themes. Rewarding a Mc that becomes more selfish don't makes sense in a story that is about open up.

Unfairness is a great narrative tool - I still am not over Bambi's opening or Bridge to Terabithia ending- and in AVNs it can hit more harder because it can be a consequence of your actions that breed a unjust outcome, but still has to have a narrative sense to any unjustness otherwise it is just... I don't know, sadism. For what I can tell we pretty much agree, but we are approaching it from different angles.

Bambi I think was the movie beginning of using poor dead mothers as a plot device, lol. An amusing reflection often used in the AVN's...for some Landlady action lol. As for Bambi's death, yeah....that fucking still hurts. Doesn't help that it was beautifully animated. I forget this pain, remembering that in one of the James Bond movie both Bambi and Thumper are fine ass hench-women lol

 

[vampires69'in]

That was just the first example that came to mind, but I'm sure there will be some form of moral dilemmas about situations we haven't come across yet. The consequnces of NIka's actions might or might not hit home regardless of his direct choices. People get upset when things don't go the way they expect as a player, but, you pointed out a bunch of great games that all have bad things happen as a result of choices - it makes the game challenging. The question is how much of a game does Ocean want to make it vs the pure story he wants to tell? I personally prefer these kinds of questions than decide what outfit a LI will wear.

Ocean can't use the line "Actions have consequences" for Nika in the locker room, and then avoid having consequences due to the player's moral compass. Well he can, I guess, but I'd prefer he gave weight to such a statement.

True...but I can't help but think it was there for a cool line. And ending with Nika possibly saying to his possible future strawhat member....
....it'd be both cooler and nerdier if I could find a gif of Luffy saying similar to Robin after she blew up a friend in one piece lol. well..he thought she did...

 

[Mamaragan]

With the change brought by Ocean, the game won't be as dark as it was supposed to be.
I think that it won't be at the level of what we'll see in WIAB, but it has potential. School rivalry we know can become nasty, family issues and secrets with the book club, Enemies with Ceril and the college Vanessa frequents, possible police corruption, illegal race, stupid games Bella and MC are playing with the holgersons, Mila's parent, Nami's manipulation, That journalist and her stupid rumors.

Actually, there's a lot Ocean can play with in the coming seasons.

 

[LHDLLB]

With the change brought by Ocean, the game won't be as dark as it was supposed to be.
I think that it won't be at the level of what we'll see in WIAB, but it has potential. School rivalry we know can become nasty, family issues and secrets with the book club, Enemies with Ceril and the college Vanessa frequents, possible police corruption, illegal race, stupid games Bella and MC are playing with the holgersons, Mila's parent, Nami's manipulation, That journalist and her stupid rumors.

Actually, there's a lot Ocean can play with in the coming seasons.

Yeah, there is much seed of conflict sowed through S1, one might even say too many, but one of the engaging qualities of Ocean writing beyond his character work is how he lay the foundations of his story, there is always something of interest happening and keeps you wanting to know how will it all fit, the downside is that the plot threat that you are interested in might have to wait a, few years to unfold. S1 raised many balls, now we have to see how well Ocean can juggling them. About SG/WiaB is not that SG can not go to darker areas, I don't doubt it will, in my mind is more about the approach SG I think is more about facing your demons and move on, while WiaB is about facing your demons and maybe become one yourself.

 

[vampires69'in]

Yeah, there is much seed of conflict sowed through S1, one might even say too many, but one of the engaging qualities of Ocean writing beyond his character work is how he lay the foundations of his story, there is always something of interest happening and keeps you wanting to know how will it all fit, the downside is that the plot threat that you are interested in might have to wait a, few years to unfold. S1 raised many balls, now we have to see how well Ocean can juggling them. About SG/WiaB is not that SG can not go to darker areas, I don't doubt it will, in my mind is more about the approach SG I think is more about facing your demons and move on, while WiaB is about facing your demons and maybe become one yourself.

......or fucking them

Lyrics of Bummer by Monster Magnet
verse
You're looking for the one who fucked your mom
It's not me
It's not me
verse
You're looking for the one who made you cry
That's not me
It's not me
verse
If you wanna stuff your garbage in that hole
Oh, baby I'm your man of the hour
verse
You think the world's got the evil eye on you
That's not true
That's not true
verse
The only one I see causing major pain
Is just you
It's just you
chorus
If you wanna spank your demons and make 'em pay
Then baby I'm your man of the hour
verse
Some people go to bed with Lucifer
Then they cry when they don't greet the day with God

 

[Enlight432]

Nika is my favorite mc among the hundreds of games I have played, In most games, the reason why several girls fall in love with the main character is either illogical or never explained, but in this game, the player is absolutely convinced that the main character deserves it

 

[apostolodieros]

Good morning, do you know anything about a date for the next update?

 

[RNasc4444]

Nika is my favorite mc among the hundreds of games I have played, In most games, the reason why several girls fall in love with the main character is either illogical or never explained, but in this game, the player is absolutely convinced that the main character deserves it

Really??? I feel exactly the opposite. In most games the MC's are often portrayed as straight up attractive, successful, powerful or fairly wealthy which is naturally appealing to the LI's. It's boring and played out but it makes sense for the most part.

Why everyone loves SG's MC is a mystery to me. A pale, "hobo looking" shut-in with poor social skills and a manipulative nature, that approaches every conversation with a blunt dickishness. Dude's 10x worse than Vanessa. And yet somehow everyone seems drawn to him even when he treats them like garbage.

It's so off-putting watching sweet naive and innocent Vic watch him be an asshole and still treat him warmly. Even though I'd consider him a decent person, he projects a far less sympathetic persona.

So yeah, I gotta disagree. To me watching everyone swoon over himis about as realistic as his muscle growth with 2 gym visits...

 

[Tremonia]

Good morning, do you know anything about a date for the next update?

Good afternoon. Yes, I know something about a date for the next update.

 

[White cat6]

Really??? I feel exactly the opposite. In most games the MC's are often portrayed as straight up attractive, successful, powerful or fairly wealthy which is naturally appealing to the LI's. It's boring and played out but it makes sense for the most part.

Why everyone loves SG's MC is a mystery to me. A pale, "hobo looking" shut-in with poor social skills and a manipulative nature, that approaches every conversation with a blunt dickishness. Dude's 10x worse than Vanessa. And yet somehow everyone seems drawn to him even when he treats them like garbage.

It's so off-putting watching sweet naive and innocent Vic watch him be an asshole and still treat him warmly. Even though I'd consider him a decent person, he projects a far less sympathetic persona.

So yeah, I gotta disagree. To me watching everyone swoon over himis about as realistic as his muscle growth with 2 gym visits...

Nika is special. He inherited from his father, if you can call it that, a monstrous body regeneration, due to which his muscles recover after a small load. His second feature is a monstrous sexual attractiveness. In fact, in this regard, he is an analogue of Sasha. Only she attracts men, and he attracts women. That is why they flock to him like bees to honey.

 

[AlexFXR]

His second feature is a monstrous sexual attractiveness.

Guys with dirty and unkempt hair attract women? Doubtful argument.....

 

[BobTheDuck]

I think here we diverge of talking only of SG, I 100% agree with you and if we are talking only about a novel there is nothing that I would add, however this is a interative media and while I don't think that authors should limit themselves on the behalf of the player, I also don't think they should be careless with it, you should give as much control over the story and its character as possible. I am fine with chosen the lesser of two evils, with unfair choices and even with choices that we as player don't have enough information to make - you buy the burguer with the sweet or spyce sauce ?- and I am fine with bad outcomes as well, what I don't like is to be stripped down of a choice - here I am not talking about SG- in ordem to have a determined outcome.

About the Nami situation I also agree with you, to clarify my point I feel that if Nami never moves on from the MC even when being "exploit" by him a bad idea not because is in itself a bad narrative, but because in my eyes, given the nature of the story's theme such decisions should be punished, they should lead to a bad outcome to the Mc and have Nami as a spare pussy feels like a reward to a much darker story. In this sense I also agree with Nika growing protective, we have some of that in Vic story already, is a great story and think those choices that diverge from that are the choices that "should" lead to a bad outcome because they go against the story themes. Rewarding a Mc that becomes more selfish don't makes sense in a story that is about open up.

Unfairness is a great narrative tool - I still am not over Bambi's opening or Bridge to Terabithia ending- and in AVNs it can hit more harder because it can be a consequence of your actions that breed a unjust outcome, but still has to have a narrative sense to any unjustness otherwise it is just... I don't know, sadism. For what I can tell we pretty much agree, but we are approaching it from different angles.

Oh yes, I think we're mostly on the same page. I'm not for stripping away choices, but we make choices based on what we think we know - ie the chicken burger choice ideal is bot terrible and great in a way. It's a choice where we can't know the outcome. Make it a less flippant choice where the character has to choose between (metaphorically) pepsi or coke, and suddenly the character has forgotten about water. That's the kind of choices that I like, one where the outcomes feel uncertain. But it is a risk, because it can feel meaningless if done as poorly as the chicken burger in WiaB.

It's like Nika chooses to go to the gym alone and meets Robin and Sasha, but what he learns from them is mutually exclusive from what he learns if he goes with Nami or Mila. In Nami's case, we find out Nia knew something about Summer, well before CH5. If Nika goes to the Holgerson raid, then he doesn't find out Couch Hill has been watching his progress from before Summer disappeared. There's all these choices where there are outcomes that are contingent on the choice, but unrelated specifically - the choice positions Nika in a new situation, which leads to different events. The chikcen burger is bad, because there is literally no reason to choose one over the other, while these choices in SG do have a reason to differentiate.

I am just thinking that the consequences of the choice can be escalated, and riskier. I'm sure it'll happen.

 

[Dr.TSoni]

Why everyone loves SG's MC is a mystery to me. A pale, "hobo looking" shut-in with poor social skills and a manipulative nature, that approaches every conversation with a blunt dickishness. Dude's 10x worse than Vanessa. And yet somehow everyone seems drawn to him even when he treats them like garbage.

It's so off-putting watching sweet naive and innocent Vic watch him be an asshole and still treat him warmly. Even though I'd consider him a decent person, he projects a far less sympathetic persona.

The real question is how is Amber von Halen supposed to fall madly in love with this tool?