VN Ren'Py Summer's Gone [S1 Steam + DLC] [Oceanlab]

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[BobTheDuck]

Guys...guys....guys.....*shakes head*....it's really not overly complicated to figure out...

I AM everyone's father's brother's nephew's cousin's former landlord's roommate

I'm not talking about the relationship - I'm just talking about the "uncle" Nika mentions who trained him is most likely William. Not going to guess about any landlords other than Dana. Besides, no one needs a landlord when there's Dana already fitting the bill. And Nick, well, in SG there's no need for landlords, just homeowners, maybe bed providers?

 

[RNasc4444]

I'm not talking about the relationship - I'm just talking about the "uncle" Nika mentions who trained him is most likely William. Not going to guess about any landlords other than Dana. Besides, no one needs a landlord when there's Dana already fitting the bill. And Nick, well, in SG there's no need for landlords, just homeowners, maybe bed providers?

I just want to say that Dylan and Jabba's not-son and Katie's not-sister were very lucky to find such amazing free house, food, clothes and amenities providers. As I stand here I can barely restrain myself from going out and finding my own little orphan to adopt. Can't picture anything more rewarding than spending all my hard earned money on someone else's child and put them through college!

 

[BobTheDuck]

I just want to say that Dylan and Jabba's not-son and Katie's not-sister were very lucky to find such amazing free house, food, clothes and amenities providers. As I stand here I can barely restrain myself from going out and finding my own little orphan to adopt. Can't picture anything more rewarding then spending all my hard earned money on someone else's child and put them through college!

Gotta call her something other than Jabba though, Dana is not only the ONLY officially licensed landlord, she is also the officially licensed Jabba.

Maybe Helen can be Heffalump?

 

[Dr.TSoni]

Gotta call her something other than Jabba though, Dana is not only the ONLY officially licensed landlord, she is also the officially licensed Jabba.

Maybe Helen can be Heffalump?

Stay Puft Marshmallow Woman?

 

[LHDLLB]

I'm not talking about the relationship - I'm just talking about the "uncle" Nika mentions who trained him is most likely William. Not going to guess about any landlords other than Dana. Besides, no one needs a landlord when there's Dana already fitting the bill. And Nick, well, in SG there's no need for landlords, just homeowners, maybe bed providers?

The thing is, if william is the uncle, as we all agree it most likely is. He can't really be Nika's uncle as both Leia and Katie are alive, so either Nojiko lied about William being his uncle or lied about Nika's -and Nami's ?- parents. We know that Nojiko lies, this is not new, but it raises a lot of question regarding the Cyrus and the Zanes.

 

[BobTheDuck]

The thing is, if william is the uncle, as we all agree it most likely is. He can't really be Nika's uncle as both Leia and Katie are alive, so either Nojiko lied about William being his uncle or lied about Nika's -and Nami's ?- parents. We know that Nojiko lies, this is not new, but it raises a lot of question regarding the Cyrus and the Zanes.

I have friends who used to introduce me to their kids as 'uncle' despite not being related, just being a family friend. Some parts of the world this is common enough, especially indigenous/tribal cultures. I'm not eastern european but I think it happens around there a lot. It tends to be a more familiar way of saying elder.

Also, someone might choose to call themselves that so Nika doesn't question who they are. Nothing has to be truthful about the uncle. Could be a random, caould be Noji's boyfriend at the time, and she was keeping it on the sly, could be genuine uncle William, because Leia's NIka's mom... could be uncle William because Willi doesn't want to be called dad... there's at least half a million possibilities and nothing's confirmed by that word at all. I'm just using it in the sense "the person Nika thinks is his uncle because he was told so".

In this sense, nothing prevents William from being Nika's "uncle" if Katie and Leia are alive, even if they're not related. It can just be the honorific used for an elder.

 

[LHDLLB]

I have friends who used to introduce me to their kids as 'uncle' despite not being related, just being a family friend. Some parts of the world this is common enough, especially indigenous/tribal cultures. I'm not eastern european but I think it happens around there a lot. It tends to be a more familiar way of saying elder.

Also, someone might choose to call themselves that so Nika doesn't question who they are. Nothing has to be truthful about the uncle. Could be a random, caould be Noji's boyfriend at the time, and she was keeping it on the sly, could be genuine uncle William, because Leia's NIka's mom... could be uncle William because Willi doesn't want to be called dad... there's at least half a million possibilities and nothing's confirmed by that word at all. I'm just using it in the sense "the person Nika thinks is his uncle because he was told so".

In this sense, nothing prevents William from being Nika's "uncle" if Katie and Leia are alive, even if they're not related. It can just be the honorific used for an elder.

I know that can be a signal of respect to an older person, my own country does the same thing. Although once you are a grown up you tend stop using it unless is someone really, really close. So I my just be seeing things from a personal frame

Sure there are many answer, we are after all trying to guess which direction Ocean will go, and as always information is scarce. Uncle may refer to a actual uncle or some male figure to young Nika, I am just saying that if X - William is Nika uncle- is true so Y - Nojiki lied about his parent - must also be true so that the story can make sense. And from that try to figure out with direction Ocean may go, based on the questions it raises.


we may also took other lines of thought. If William is not Nika's uncle but a family friend is true, Nojiko may not have lied about either uncle or parent. but the questions it raises are very different from the ones that do if he truly is, and so are the direction Ocean may go.The uncle may not be William at all, though less likely, and so it raises very little questions and have no impact on the story. My point be is that if we accept something like William is the uncle we need to think how it can affect the story, regardless of what Nika meant from uncle.

 

[BobTheDuck]

I know that can be a signal of respect to an older person, my own country does the same thing. Although once you are a grown up you tend stop using it unless is someone really, really close. So I my just be seeing things from a personal frame

Sure there are many answer, we are after all trying to guess which direction Ocean will go, and as always information is scarce. Uncle may refer to a actual uncle or some male figure to young Nika, I am just saying that if X - William is Nika uncle- is true so Y - Nojiki lied about his parent - must also be true so that the story can make sense. And from that try to figure out with direction Ocean may go, based on the questions it raises.


we may also took other lines of thought. If William is not Nika's uncle but a family friend is true, Nojiko may not have lied about either uncle or parent. but the questions it raises are very different from the ones that do if he truly is, and so are the direction Ocean may go.The uncle may not be William at all, though less likely, and so it raises very little questions and have no impact on the story. My point be is that if we accept something like William is the uncle we need to think how it can affect the story, regardless of what Nika meant from uncle.

Even with William as a true uncle, we don't know what Noji knows. She might have been lied to about Nika's parents. We still don't know how Ocean's going to explain all of this, but it will be detailed and probably drawn out. Meanwhile the word uncle acts like a red herring, it waves at us and makes us feel like we know something, but really it's not that good a bit of evidence for anything other than Nika potentially believes that not all his family are dead, but he doesn't find it strange he's with Noji instead of his uncle's family. That's I think the most interesting point that was raised recently.

 

[Krytax123]

Even with William as a true uncle, we don't know what Noji knows. She might have been lied to about Nika's parents. We still don't know how Ocean's going to explain all of this, but it will be detailed and probably drawn out. Meanwhile the word uncle acts like a red herring, it waves at us and makes us feel like we know something, but really it's not that good a bit of evidence for anything other than Nika potentially believes that not all his family are dead, but he doesn't find it strange he's with Noji instead of his uncle's family. That's I think the most interesting point that was raised recently.

But if Willy really was his uncle, shouldnt Nika know his surname (and therefore be able to draw a connection to Ayua/Katie)?

Willy being his real uncle yet using a fakename (despite the fact that Nika seemling never heard about the Zane's) doesnt make a lot of sense.

The same would apply if he would be his father posing as his uncle, there wouldnt be really any need to fake the name.

Unless this is something like Nika supressing these Zane memorys (please no).

 

[BobTheDuck]

But if Willy really was his uncle, shouldnt Nika know his surname (and therefore be able to draw a connection to Ayua/Katie)?

Willy being his real uncle yet using a fakename (despite the fact that Nika seemling never heard about the Zane's) doesnt make a lot of sense.

The same would apply if he would be his father posing as his uncle, there wouldnt be really any need to fake the name.

Unless this is something like Nika supressing these Zane memorys (please no).

I think it was William, but I'm not sure whether they're actually related. Clearly Noji knows the Zane's well, seeing Leia and Katie both go to the bookclub, and she worked with Scarlet. We don't know if Nika is a relative, or possibly their ward, and they're getting Noji to look after him. Right now there are almost too many possibilities with no clear information to be definitive - and I believe that is on purpose for the story. My personal belief is that Nika isn't a Zane, but it'd be really easy for Ocean to make Nika anyone at this point still... so the word uncle acts as a red herring and draws attention to things that can't be solved right now, we only have our gut feelings.

We're looking at every situation in SG from it's importance to Nika, not it's importance to William or Leia or whoever it is that has a stake. They have goals that will be affects by how they treat Nika. William might have been the 'uncle' keeping an eye on NIka when he was really making sure nothing happened to Summer. We're basically looking for solutions to Nika's mysteries when some mysteries in SG might not be connected to him at all.

 

[LHDLLB]

Even with William as a true uncle, we don't know what Noji knows. She might have been lied to about Nika's parents. We still don't know how Ocean's going to explain all of this, but it will be detailed and probably drawn out. Meanwhile the word uncle acts like a red herring, it waves at us and makes us feel like we know something, but really it's not that good a bit of evidence for anything other than Nika potentially believes that not all his family are dead, but he doesn't find it strange he's with Noji instead of his uncle's family. That's I think the most interesting point that was raised recently.

I am skeptical about Noji innocence in all that, I don't think she was tricked by the Zanes or whoever, she seems to know too much for that to make sense. And I agree, the uncle thing is quite minor own its own, but when added to all the other connection and bits of information it grows, not to something much bigger, but it certainly hints at more than we migh first think when earing it

 

[BobTheDuck]

I am skeptical about Noji innocence in all that, I don't think she was tricked by the Zanes or whoever, she seems to know too much for that to make sense. And I agree, the uncle thing is quite minor own its own, but when added to all the other connection and bits of information it grows, not to something much bigger, but it certainly hints at more than we migh first think when earing it

I'm not convinced of any which answer right now, I'm just throwing out options to keep my mind open. Chances are it'll still be something completely different to any of my guesses anyway - sometimes I think Ocean simply delights in making hard to guess.

 

[MisterHotPm]

I'm not convinced of any which answer right now, I'm just throwing out options to keep my mind open. Chances are it'll still be something completely different to any of my guesses anyway - sometimes I think Ocean simply delights in making hard to guess.

Did you play the normal version or the patched version? Isn't the patched version the original and the normal version censored?

 

[Maviarab]

Did you play the normal version or the patched version? Isn't the patched version the original and the normal version censored?

No.

 

[LHDLLB]

I'm not convinced of any which answer right now, I'm just throwing out options to keep my mind open. Chances are it'll still be something completely different to any of my guesses anyway - sometimes I think Ocean simply delights in making hard to guess.

That is certainly true. I too am not sure of much as of right now, and is good to stay open minded. But the bit about the uncle, and if truly was William, it would meant a direct involvement of the Zanes with Nika -not Nami-, insted of the sugestived one we had so far.

 

[BobTheDuck]

Did you play the normal version or the patched version? Isn't the patched version the original and the normal version censored?

No, there is an official version of season 1 and fan made patches. The normal version is the only thing that will be updated, and carry on to season 2. The further along the story goes, the harder it will be to keep fan made patches that work.

That is certainly true. I too am not sure of much as of right now, and is good to stay open minded. But the bit about the uncle, and if truly was William, it would meant a direct involvement of the Zanes with Nika -not Nami-, insted of the sugestived one we had so far.

I certainly get that sense that is the case, I'm just trying to think outside of Nika's paradigm which is limited to the things he knows. If it is William, there is a reason that he is not open with Nika that probably has nothing to do with Nika, and probably everything to do with William's decisions in WiaB before Nika was born.

 

[dlaskas]

I have friends who used to introduce me to their kids as 'uncle' despite not being related, just being a family friend. Some parts of the world this is common enough, especially indigenous/tribal cultures. I'm not eastern european but I think it happens around there a lot. It tends to be a more familiar way of saying elder.
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it happens in all the slav lands tbh.. in the balkans you're always "stric" or "kum", which means "uncle", "man", "guy", etc. depends on the context, but yeah.

so willy wonka can be just that guy or literally the uncle. either way, only ocean knows. i guess we will too, when he lets us know in about ~167 years.........

 

[dameromexxx]

It would be really funny if after years of guessing connecting Nika with Zanes it turned out that he is connected to Revera. For me Nika looks pretty much Latino and since he had to go to ZPR and wasn't given a chance to even consider other options then he could really be related to each of the three letters. Maybe Ocean uses WIAB just to fool us because we pay too much attention to Zanes in the context of Summer's Gone and we are looking at the wrong letter in ZPR.
If we ignore WIAB completely, then in SG Zanes mean nothing more to us than Petrova and Revera

 

[LHDLLB]

I certainly get that sense that is the case, I'm just trying to think outside of Nika's paradigm which is limited to the things he knows. If it is William, there is a reason that he is not open with Nika that probably has nothing to do with Nika, and probably everything to do with William's decisions in WiaB before Nika was born.

Oh I quite agree, whatever the reason is, it most likely is related to William and WiaB than Nika or Summer.

It would be really funny if after years of guessing connecting Nika with Zanes it turned out that he is connected to Revera. For me Nika looks pretty much Latino and since he had to go to ZPR and wasn't given a chance to even consider other options then he could really be related to each of the three letters. Maybe Ocean uses WIAB just to fool us because we pay too much attention to Zanes in the context of Summer's Gone and we are looking at the wrong letter in ZPR.
If we ignore WIAB completely, then in SG Zanes mean nothing more to us than Petrova and Revera

I would say that there are good chances of this happening, I would even say that it has a good chance of Nike being the son of the WiaB antagonist. With I think unlikely is Nika having no connection to WiaB characters, now with who and what type of connection only Ocean knows