VN Ren'Py Summer's Gone [S1 Steam + DLC] [Oceanlab]

[AlexFXR]

I would say that there are good chances of this happening, I would even say that it has a good chance of Nike being the son of the WiaB antagonist. With I think unlikely is Nika having no connection to WiaB characters, now with who and what type of connection only Ocean knows

This will raise many questions. Why didn't the relatives from WIAB take care of MC when his parents died? Why is he being raised by his mother's friend and not his relatives? Why did the relatives not want to communicate with MC and did not meet with him for all these years? and so on..... I don't think these games will overlap much, they are connected only by the fact that the characters live in the same city.

 

[LHDLLB]

This will raise many questions. Why didn't the relatives from WIAB take care of MC when his parents died? Why is he being raised by his mother's friend and not his relatives? Why did the relatives not want to communicate with MC and did not meet with him for all these years? and so on..... I don't think these games will overlap much, they are connected only by the fact that the characters live in the same city.

That certainly can be the case and I think would be easier if Ocean took this route, but given how much Ocean teased already I find it increasingly difficult to believe it. Also from a marketing perpective is smart, SG promotes WiaB, the less sucesful child but no less competent

 

[dameromexxx]

This will raise many questions. Why didn't the relatives from WIAB take care of MC when his parents died? Why is he being raised by his mother's friend and not his relatives? Why did the relatives not want to communicate with MC and did not meet with him for all these years? and so on..... I don't think these games will overlap much, they are connected only by the fact that the characters live in the same city.

The solution may be that this is part of a deal that Nojiko made with an unknown character.
O.K you can take them under your care but if they ever go to college no matter what it will only be to ZPR. Now the question is whether this character is part of one of the three families or they are simply connected by some form of business or they have some history between them. It may be as LHDLLB says and the character from WIAB with whom Nika has some connections has not been introduced into the story there yet

 

[BobTheDuck]

That certainly can be the case and I think would be easier if Ocean took this route, but given how much Ocean teased already I find it increasingly difficult to believe it. Also from a marketing perpective is smart, SG promotes WiaB, the less sucesful child but no less competent

To wonder at this point how much crossover there is is strange when we know:

- Nami's earring, and Sasha's earring have significant importance as they keep getting mentioned and noticed. Vanessa and Ayua know about the earrings. We know Leia wore a pair, and Katie Zane is interested in Nami.
- Emilio is in both stories, and knows all the gossip in both.
- Katie is a major character in WiaB, and her presence in SG isn't a cameo. Her car is shown, she has a role in Stahl and Hill's basketball plan, and she's planning on seeing Nika again.
- Stefan is also in both games, and is likely to be minor in Wiab, and more important in SG. Zoey is mentioned as Bella and Amber's friend.
- Noji worked with Scarlet, and currently tries facing off with Katie at the bookclub and tries to prevent Katie interacting with Nika and Nami. Her interactions with Katie are noted by other characters, such as Jenna, so we can safely assume there are important revelations about Noji and Katie to come to light.

The question if they're interwoven is already clear. What isn't clear is if SG will act more like an independent spin off, continuing the legacy of Wiab or not. Remember that Ocean plans to have Wiab choices import into SG (after we've all replayed them too many times for it to matter... but anyhow).

 

[LHDLLB]

To wonder at this point how much crossover there is is strange when we know:

- Nami's earring, and Sasha's earring have significant importance as they keep getting mentioned and noticed. Vanessa and Ayua know about the earrings. We know Leia wore a pair, and Katie Zane is interested in Nami.
- Emilio is in both stories, and knows all the gossip in both.
- Katie is a major character in WiaB, and her presence in SG isn't a cameo. Her car is shown, she has a role in Stahl and Hill's basketball plan, and she's planning on seeing Nika again.
- Stefan is also in both games, and is likely to be minor in Wiab, and more important in SG. Zoey is mentioned as Bella and Amber's friend.
- Noji worked with Scarlet, and currently tries facing off with Katie at the bookclub and tries to prevent Katie interacting with Nika and Nami. Her interactions with Katie are noted by other characters, such as Jenna, so we can safely assume there are important revelations about Noji and Katie to come to light.

The question if they're interwoven is already clear. What isn't clear is if SG will act more like an independent spin off, continuing the legacy of Wiab or not. Remember that Ocean plans to have Wiab choices import into SG (after we've all replayed them too many times for it to matter... but anyhow).

Oh I quite agree, at this point if the story are not connected it would be strange, still, have each game being its own thing while existing in the same universe would be much easier than have them interecting. My personal belief is that WiaB creates the scenario of SG, I don't want one to be a unofficial sequeal/prequeal of the other.

 

[Maviarab]

Remember that Ocean plans to have Wiab choices import into SG

Still not sure how that is going to work...I mean, wouldn't that need to be finished first for choices to be imported....or are each seasons choices going to be imported into each new season of this....*confused Helmet*

Anyway....glad we all agree Katie is the best girl and the whole plot of both revolve around her awesome Goddess self.

 

[LHDLLB]

Still not sure how that is going to work...I mean, wouldn;t that need to be finished first for choices to be imported....or are each seasons choices going to be imported into each new season of this....*confused Helmet*

Anyway....glad we all agree Katie is the best girl and the whole plot of both revolve around her awesome Goddess self.

for seasons there still has the problem of needing one season to end to transfer the saves to the other, and SG is way ahead of WiaB.I think it will be flavored choices, nothing major as the branching would become insane. So after WiaB locks you on a path you transfer your LI and others choices like that ? I really don't know.

He specified saves ? could be that you answer some questions when SG reaches the point where WiaB choices matter ? like some RPG do ?

 

[AlexFXR]

That certainly can be the case and I think would be easier if Ocean took this route, but given how much Ocean teased already I find it increasingly difficult to believe it. Also from a marketing perpective is smart, SG promotes WiaB, the less sucesful child but no less competent

I agree with you, there are many paths in the game and we can only guess which one Ocean will take.

The solution may be that this is part of a deal that Nojiko made with an unknown character.
O.K you can take them under your care but if they ever go to college no matter what it will only be to ZPR. Now the question is whether this character is part of one of the three families or they are simply connected by some form of business or they have some history between them. It may be as LHDLLB says and the character from WIAB with whom Nika has some connections has not been introduced into the story there yet

You may be right that it was a deal. But it only confirms that MC is not connected to ZPR.

 

[BobTheDuck]

Still not sure how that is going to work...I mean, wouldn't that need to be finished first for choices to be imported....or are each seasons choices going to be imported into each new season of this....*confused Helmet*

Anyway....glad we all agree Katie is the best girl and the whole plot of both revolve around her awesome Goddess self.

I'm not sure Ocean knows how it will work either (see below). But today it seems we will have some emergency Kat instead.

for seasons there still has the problem of needing one season to end to transfer the saves to the other, and SG is way ahead of WiaB.I think it will be flavored choices, nothing major as the branching would become insane. So after WiaB locks you on a path you transfer your LI and others choices like that ? I really don't know.

He specified saves ? could be that you answer some questions when SG reaches the point where WiaB choices matter ? like some RPG do ?

WiaB is planned to be shorter than SG, but given current trends, we'll be probably into SG season 4 before WiaB starts winding up. Complete guesstimate, based on WiaB having fewer LI's, and fewer chapters planned (less branching, plus shorter). Even then, I can't imagine anyone who has already releaded season 1 and played from the start to fix a mistake they made early on is unlikely to reimport their WiaB save and replay to notice all the flavour text.

I think it'll be flavour only, as I vaguely remember Ocean saying something about wanting to avoid a canon ending for the romances, to keep WiaB from feeling like there's no risk. Also to avoid players getting upset that their choices didn't matter in the end regarding their LI.

I imagine thinks like backshots comment about William will change depending on what you actually did, but it'll be (I think) only flavour, otherwise Ocean needs to add more renders to accomodate the changes. I think the same thing will happen with SG to some extent, as far as the main story goes. I'm guessing that even if Nika is unhealthy, he'll still get his mojo back for the basketball, but there will be dialogue suggesting he's not pulling his weight. He'll still be on the team and all that. I haven't tried it, but even if you lose the tennis game, I guess you win the street basketball? That's kinda what I mean - Ocean's not going to bury himself under implementing every possible choice, like Nika staying a noodle. Too many renders then, it'd have to be rendered on the fly to accomodate that level of change.

So the WiaB flavours will probably mainly include making Ayua awkward with all the stories about William, one liners from milfs who knew William and want to show their superiority by claiming one night stands or some such.

 

[LHDLLB]

I'm not sure Ocean knows how it will work either (see below). But today it seems we will have some emergency Kat instead.



WiaB is planned to be shorter than SG, but given current trends, we'll be probably into SG season 4 before WiaB starts winding up. Complete guesstimate, based on WiaB having fewer LI's, and fewer chapters planned (less branching, plus shorter). Even then, I can't imagine anyone who has already releaded season 1 and played from the start to fix a mistake they made early on is unlikely to reimport their WiaB save and replay to notice all the flavour text.

I think it'll be flavour only, as I vaguely remember Ocean saying something about wanting to avoid a canon ending for the romances, to keep WiaB from feeling like there's no risk. Also to avoid players getting upset that their choices didn't matter in the end regarding their LI.

I imagine thinks like backshots comment about William will change depending on what you actually did, but it'll be (I think) only flavour, otherwise Ocean needs to add more renders to accomodate the changes. I think the same thing will happen with SG to some extent, as far as the main story goes. I'm guessing that even if Nika is unhealthy, he'll still get his mojo back for the basketball, but there will be dialogue suggesting he's not pulling his weight. He'll still be on the team and all that. I haven't tried it, but even if you lose the tennis game, I guess you win the street basketball? That's kinda what I mean - Ocean's not going to bury himself under implementing every possible choice, like Nika staying a noodle. Too many renders then, it'd have to be rendered on the fly to accomodate that level of change.

So the WiaB flavours will probably mainly include making Ayua awkward with all the stories about William, one liners from milfs who knew William and want to show their superiority by claiming one night stands or some such.

I wholeheartedly agree, but I don't think that Ocean can escape of canonise some aspects of WiaB. Auya and maybe Adrianna is proof of that, she is a Zane and if she is not William and Miru daughter would not make much sense.

 

[RNasc4444]

So the WiaB flavours will probably mainly include making Ayua awkward with all the stories about William

Wait...I think my brain is extra slow today. What do you mean by this Bob? Why would Auya be awkward with Willi's stories?

 

[RNasc4444]

I wholeheartedly agree, but I don't think that Ocean can escape of canonise some aspects of WiaB. Auya and maybe Adrianna is proof of that, she is a Zane and if she is not William and Miru daughter would not make much sense.

But William isn't a Zane anymore. If Katie, Dylan and Helen are Zanes then Willi and Leia aren't.

 

[BobTheDuck]

I wholeheartedly agree, but I don't think that Ocean can escape of canonise some aspects of WiaB. Auya and maybe Adrianna is proof of that, she is a Zane and if she is not William and Miru daughter would not make much sense.

It will be impossible indeed. One of the interesting things about playing while it's being developed is that we see both time lines as the present day, we feel the anticipation in both stories. Emilio is a good example. We saw Emilio first in SG so even though by canon he appears first in WiaB, we actually see the older him first. It's like we have interleaved flashbacks to the past if we play both games as they're updated. The person playing Wiab first then SG once it's all finished won't get a thrill seeing Emilio and knowing he's a sly character who knows more than he lets on. The person who hasn't played SG just sees Leia's henchman.

So there's naturally going to be issues going both ways. We know the earring end up with Nami and Sasha, we know they're with Leia in WiaB. Our minds search to understand, without there being an explanation. The person playing SG after WiaB won't find as much mystery in the earrings maybe (but the earring happen in between the games I guess, so still a surprise). Then we hav Ayua, and that sets a certain canon, so we know even if William doesn't stay faithful in the game, he'll go back almost immediately. so there's a whole bunch of surprises and a whole bunch of leaked revelations that weaken the impact. Plus and minus. Still, I think it's far more interesting playing them as Ocean's developing rather than waiting for the end result.

Wait...I think my brain is extra slow today. What do you mean by this Bob? Why would Auya be awkward with Willi's stories?

I mean just like Sasha and Adri exchange awkward glances when Willi's escapades are mentioned in the bookclub, I'm sure Ayua will react to some comments made about (who I'm assuming is) her dad. Just an example of how I think the flavour text will play out, all the younger generation rolling their eyes as the older nudge and wink about their glory days in WiaB era.

But William isn't a Zane anymore. If Katie, Dylan and Helen are Zanes then Willi and Leia aren't.

Well, not related, but yes, we don't know what will happen to their names. Ayua is a Zane though, I'd be surprised if Ocean changes her name in season 2. I guess the next chapter of whichever game is released next will tell us what's happening regards some of that whole mess.

 

[yossa999]

But William isn't a Zane anymore. If Katie, Dylan and Helen are Zanes then Willi and Leia aren't.

Yeah, if only an adopted child could take the last name of his foster parents...

 

[RNasc4444]

Yeah, if only an adopted child could take the last name of his foster parents...

Oh right! Because the prudes over at the big publishers make a distinction between adopted and blood family when it comes to fucking.

Wasn't the point of distancing William and Leia from the rest of the "family" to make future relationships with the landlady and the roommate more palatable?

 

[Maviarab]

But William isn't a Zane anymore. If Katie, Dylan and Helen are Zanes then Willi and Leia aren't.

You make a fair point.

Yeah, if only an adopted child could take the last name of his foster parents...

If they were adopted...that will still legally be incest....and we all know that's been completely retconned...so they can't be adopted now, can they?

 

[yossa999]

Oh right! Because the prudes over at the big publishers make a distinction between adopted and blood family when it comes to fucking.

You have the wrong information. "Prudes" doesn't care about morality, they care about money. And payment processors restrict their terms of use, which in turn reflects the publisher's rules. At least that's what I heard.

Wasn't the point of distancing William and Leia from the rest of the "family" to make future relationships with the landlady and the roommate more palatable?

Was it? I have no idea, all I know is that in the devlog Ocean wrote that two of them are now adopted. I don't think that changes much in i-matter, because whether they are adopted or blood relatives, they are still related, and that's against the TOS.

If they were adopted...that will still legally be incest....and we all know that's been completely retconned...so they can't be adopted now, can they?

I know, right? But that's what the developer wrote. And if they're adopted, they'll likely take their adoptive parents' last name.
Although no one said they were adopted by Zanes

 

[Maviarab]

Although no one said they were adopted by Zanes

Ahhh man...I'm getting a helmetache!

 

[BobTheDuck]

You have the wrong information. "Prudes" doesn't care about morality, they care about money. And payment processors restrict their terms of use, which in turn reflects the publisher's rules. At least that's what I heard.

Was it? I have no idea, all I know is that in the devlog Ocean wrote that two of them are now adopted. I don't think that changes much in i-matter, because whether they are adopted or blood relatives, they are still related, and that's against the TOS.


I know, right? But that's what the developer wrote. And if they're adopted, they'll likely take their adoptive parents' last name.
Although no one said they were adopted by Zanes

Sorry, Ocean didn't say that. He said:

The only person related to William (MC) is Leia.

The devlog didn't mention adoption. We've all been trying to understand how it works because he hasn't defined exactly what's going on yet. But this is the wrong thread for this discussion, we should all go over to WiaB.

 

[yossa999]

Sorry, Ocean didn't say that. He said:



The devlog didn't mention adoption. We've all been trying to understand how it works because he hasn't defined exactly what's going on yet. But this is the wrong thread for this discussion, we should all go over to WiaB.

Oh, the Mandela effect is very strong in the Zone. Although I'm pretty sure I saw adoption mentioned. Maybe on Discord?
Anyway, yeah, the wrong thread.