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It's common to both games, because Ocean's got too much stuff unsaid - so in that sense both threads have theories that are slowly crystallising regardless of the facts
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It becomes the right thread because of Auya. We know her last name is Zane. We know Katie's last name is Zane. We know that William and Leia are no longer technically Zane's. At least not by birth. This is the right topic to discuss her parentage. There is now a much higher chance that she too is adopted. Which would probably make Adrianna adopted too. Hence the "everyone is adopted" meme in Ocean's Universe. And this started because you mentioned Ayua's awkwardness regarding William's stories. Even though what we saw was the awkward look between Adrianna and Sasha when the backshot stuff was mentioned
I agree with Mavi. This shit is giving me a headache. Most things don't make sense to me at this point in the game. That is why I keep praying that Lord Ocean stops making changes and starts setting shit in stone from now on.
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I think we were the ones who started assuming adoption in the WiAB thread. And I mean why wouldn't we? Leia and William grew up in that household with the Zanes as far as we know. But maybe that isn't quite the case.
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As I said...
I AM everyone's father's brother's nephew's cousin's former landlord's roommate
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This is not normal to any fandom that goes too much time without answers. ASOIAF fandom at this point already write the books in their head and are waiting Geroge just say they are right. The questions that Ocean raises are a double edge sword, at the same time it is engaging the longuer he waits the more the fandon will be disappointed if he takes another route.It's common to both games, because Ocean's got too much stuff unsaid - so in that sense both threads have theories that are slowly crystallising regardless of the facts
Because adoption is what makes more sense and has the least impact in the story, But nothing was said about it in the devlog. the point about it make little difference to TOS is a valid one, and one that puzzles me futher os his decision. regarding how it affects SG, Auya can always be daugther of Katie or Helen or even Dylan with Miru, it just don't fit as well.
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Totally. But regarding Ayua, and her being a special case, we'll have to wait and see. If Ocean retcons her, he has to retcon the released season 1. Far too messy.It becomes the right thread because of Auya. We know her last name is Zane. We know Katie's last name is Zane. We know that William and Leia are no longer technically Zane's. At least not by birth. This is the right topic to discuss her parentage. There is now a much higher chance that she too is adopted. Which would probably make Adrianna adopted too. Hence the "everyone is adopted" meme in Ocean's Universe. And this started because you mentioned Ayua's awkwardness regarding William's stories. Even though what we saw was the awkward look between Adrianna and Sasha when the backshot stuff was mentioned
I agree with Mavi. This shit is giving me a headache. Most things don't make sense to me at this point in the game. That is why I keep praying that Lord Ocean stops making changes and starts setting shit in stone from now on.
Easy solution for everything in SG: William is impotent, Ayua and all her siblings are Miru's via donor, NTR or otherwise. Now can we play that sweet sweet basketball with a side order of tabletop?That's what we're all here for right???
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It becomes the right thread because of Auya. We know her last name is Zane. We know Katie's last name is Zane. We know that William and Leia are no longer technically Zane's. At least not by birth. This is the right topic to discuss her parentage. There is now a much higher chance that she too is adopted. Which would probably make Adrianna adopted too. Hence the "everyone is adopted" meme in Ocean's Universe. And this started because you mentioned Ayua's awkwardness regarding William's stories. Even though what we saw was the awkward look between Adrianna and Sasha when the backshot stuff was mentioned
I agree with Mavi. This shit is giving me a headache. Most things don't make sense to me at this point in the game. That is why I keep praying that Lord Ocean stops making changes and starts setting shit in stone from now on.
You know what else is giving me a headache? These ridiculous theories of yours!
Everyone knows that Will screwed up the whole town, and that he and Leia are both Zanes by blood, Vanessa is their daughter as is Nika, period.
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Um no. Nika and Vanessa both know their obligations to the patreon terms of service very very well and would do nothing to cause their real daddy (Ocean) any grief.
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But no one knows they are siblings...
There was only one heterochromia in this "gigantic" city, while Nika looks a lot like Will and Leia.
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Yep, we know all the circumstantial evidence, we've circled around it for years. We've realised patreons terms of service do not allow LI to be related, so Vanessa and Nika have done the honorable thing so we can all keep enjoying the true meaning of the game... basketball! Or snakes and ladders with aliens, whatever that stuff is called.
In all seriousness I think if you go back maybe 800 pages you'll find theories about the eye colours, hairstyles all the rest. That's just what we do to kill time between updates.
Edit: and no one knows ...only lasts until they are LI and patreon gets the scent of southern spicy chicken.
Bro you're like 20 years too late, these guys knew that already when you didnt know avns existed yet
its like theories on top of theories on top of theories at this point and trying to make everything work out with patreon (or at least keeping it hidden enough).
Ocean's statement that William is only blood related to Leia made everything very unclear.
It seems like whatever connections Ocean intended for both stories in the beginning has changed but it impossible to say how exactly at this point.
I expect most solutions to be kinda dumb/glossed over at this point like willy and leia living with the zane's (and probably even have the surname) yet are somehow not (really) adopted (similar to Nika and Nami with Noji).
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It makes no sense to change the script after years, WIAB is no longer on Patreon and another one has a quote from Leia "I got my six from my mother".
He can change the script, decrease or increase the character's characteristics but it won't change the fact that she is a Zane by blood just like William.
Unfortunaly not anymore, he specificly pointed out that William is only blood related to Leia (after Wiab got deleted on patreon already). Which kinda only leaves the implication that Willy being blood-related would lead to too much troubles for SG in the future.
And unfortunaly hes changing the scripts aaalllll the fucking time nonstop (he will have his reasons).
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Literally, changing the script DOES change whether they are Zanes. Dylan is the Zane with the name. If William and Leia aren't related to Dylan, they aren't Zanes. Unless in Wollust Zane is as common as Smith.
As much as we might think we can second guess Ocean, he will deliver his own S2 Ch1 for SG and his own Ch4 for WiaB that tell the story he's decided is sustainable for all the reasons. We can point out to all the connections we saw from old WiaB pre rework, old SG pre rework, but it's never going back to what it was.
This is a danger of playing a game that is a work in progress; the author is allowed to change their story however they see fit. The difference is here we see the drafts in public and we get attached to the draft. We'll maybe lose bit we like on the way, but if the end result is a thriving game, I'm okay with the authors decisions of necessity.
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While I agree and am fine with Ocean changing the script - even if I might prefer one over the other- to maintain his income or for creative reasons, the change still has to make sense of the story. For all his works to remove any traces of Nika and Nami's original relationship, the story still treats it as something that needs to be hiden, forbiden, a race of impossible odds. Ocean can change what he think it fits on his story better, but he can't change and not change it at the same time.
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I nearly shat and pissed myself laughing. You poor sweet soul. How new are you 'round here?
You gotta get caught up with the Ocean lore.
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I have to push back a bit on this notion. This is the same argument yossa999 uses and I get it. Of course the dev/writter is allowed to do it but the consequences of constantly retconning the narrative are devastating. Tell me please what other media does this and to this extent? I've already used the manga example. The TV shows example. They can go on for years and years but each new episode/chapter that comes out builds on the existent narrative. It doesn't massively change it.
I get that some people will be bothered by it more than others but can anyone honestly tell me this is an even remotely good way of telling a story?