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while all your insights are interesting i am 50 years old and at the rate the updates comes out for both WIAB and SG i doubt we will ever know because that is 30 to 40 years away lol
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I'm sure Nika wouldn't think being lied to is "in his interest". Lying to "protect" someone is never a good idea. And just like you said
That book club scene felt like Nika was in the middle of a conspiracy, with most or at least some women there seeming to know something about him, something that Nojiko doesn't want Nika to know. It felt like all eyes where on him.
Wouldn't say "nothing" but I don't trust her either. I don't hate her or anything, but if she truly cares about Nika she should tell him everything she knows rather than him finding out on his own.
Of course, Bella is adorable, kind, and beautiful.
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I'm pretty much the same age as you, so don't worry I feel the pain
And if you consider that a standard chapter (what Ocean considers a standard chapter at any rate is ~2500 renders for SG, and around ~2000 for WiaB. If he's currently going to pull off 4000 for WiaB and 6000 for SG within a year of SG's steam release, that could mean 2 chapters a year from that point on for both games. Mad optimism from me, but yeah.I take the bookclub to be a all kinds of gossip from people who make it their job to know enough to make other people uncomfortable. Or something. I don't think they're a coven scheming away. SUre they know things, but currently it's all things about people they know well. The only moment for me that maybe pushed it further was Jenna's comment, that was the one that stood out as being serious (well other than Katie). I actually think they would have gotten together to read books.
Noji 'lying' to protect him is definitely not going to go well, but he also knows she kept quiet about Nick, and Nami didn't take it well. He knows her well enough to let her explain I'm sure. SOme times (like in the case with not telling Nami about Nick, it's just someone avoiding a hard topic. On face value, Noji has enough on her plate without having to trigger Nika with things that she thinks he's not ready to face, or things she's not ready to deal with.
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lmao no she was and is a doctor
I feel like its the standart opposites attract friendship, noji the educated (and a bit prude) doctor and emilia being the hedonistic you live only once pornstar
She most likely wasn't, however, considering she's been keeping secrets I wouldn't completely rule that out. Imagine if during that scene where Nami tells Nika they're gonna watch a porno, they saw Nojiko on screen instead of that woman.
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I can see your point about Summer and I agree, is more a matter of preference. Just that having the Zanes being responsible for whatever happened with Summer too "good", like it fit the two ends of the story in the more predicable way possible, I kinda prefer when stories don't answer all the questions. Summer disappearance being something that Nika has to walk away from is perfect, having this incident be related with the overall plot... seem really cheap to me.
I guess this depends in how WiaB ends. I kinda don't like that angle, part of me would like to see the Zanes as antagonist in this story, not villains, but a contrarie force to Nika in some way. Personally, depending on how dark WiaB gets - and I expect quite a bit, having repent William and Leia given scholarship out of guilt is kinda boring, but not impossible.
My bad, I get you now. Yeah, I don't think it will be the focus either, but I think it will have with characters as Vanessa, Nicole, the cop, I see many pity falls laid out for Nika. for the rest I agree.
Nah. Noji pornstar would be out of the left field. It is to make us wonder about Noji, much of the book club is to make was questioning what we thought we know. Nojiko knowing a pornstar is odd but plausible, a pornstar being in a bored housewife bookclub of riche old ladies is surreal to me. The book club itself I don't think there is much to it, but some people of the bookclub are gonna be important. Jenna, Ana, Charlie, the author.
Im kinda whatever about summer, she can stay away or come back (if the comeback is good and not cringe/stereotype) but there really needs to be some closure/explanation at some point imo otherwise this is all too nonsensical.
I think it would have worked best (exploring mental health problems) if summer simply would have died but it doesnt look like thats the case and if shes alive, she will come back at some point anyway.
I would hate the Zane's as antagonists, they have way to much advantages and the odds would be stacked way too much against Nika, and him still being able to handle that (despite all his problems) would feel cringe/undeserved/mary sue like.
Even more as all his sheming skills and his cunning just really really sucks ass, all his ideas in this department are super idiotic immature bullshit lmao (its similar to young willy
)I kiiiinda maaaaaaybe like the idea of Nika and Nami being kids of the wiab antagonist(s), would still make Nika somewhat of a "prince" but of a dead legacy/lineage.
I disagree about this, and people like Emilia are there because its not (just) a bookclub, its more like a unisex gentlemens club, yeah they read books but its mainly to chat and to establish or keep connections. These are (partially) powerful women and not bored housewifes.
Add Claire, Nojiko, Katie, Amber, Sasha, Robin, adriana (problabl Miru's daughter), maybe Emilia to that list and whos left at this point anymore?
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Nah. I really hate the idea of Summer coming back. The Zane could start as antagonist but later on they team up, or they don't directly work against Nika, I just like the idea of conflict between the Nika and the Zanes in some form. The rest I agree, Nika's thought are quite juvenile at times but he is young and inexperienced I can forgive that. Nika could be a Zane and Nami the antagonist daughter or the other way around. Not a bad idea.Im kinda whatever about summer, she can stay away or come back (if the comeback is good and not cringe/stereotype) but there really nees to be some closure/explanation at some point imo otherwise this is all too nonsensical.
I think it would have worked best (exploring mental health problems) if summer simply would have died but it doesnt look like that case and if shes alive, she will come back at some point anyway.
I would hate the Zane's as antagonists, they have way to much advantages and the odds would be stacked way too much against Nika, and him still being able to handle that (despite all his problems) would feel cringe/undeserved/mary sue like.
Even more as all his sheming skills and his cunning just really really sucks ass, all his ideas in this department are super idiotic immature bullshit lmao (its similar to young willy
I kiiiinda maaaaaaybe like the idea of Nika and Nami being kids of the wiab antagonist(s), would still make Nika somewhat of a "prince" but of a dead legacy/lineage.
I disagree about this, and people like Emilia are there because its not (just) a bookclub, its more like a unisex gentlemens club, yeah they read books but its mainly to chat and to establish or keep connections. These are (partially) powerful women and not bored housewifes.
Add Claire, Nojiko, Katie, Amber, Sasha, Robin, adriana (problabl Miru's daughter), maybe Emilia to that list and whos left at this point anymore?
I made a similar point not long ago, most of the women there are successful one, in some way or another. My point is that the people at the book club are important, not the bookclub in itself. Yeah but does Amber, Clarie, Robin and other there knows everything ? I get the feeling that is not that much of a open secret.
Yeah dunno how i feel about Summer but im sure she would have been simply dead if ocean didnt had any intention to bring her back sooner or later.
Ah you were talking about being important related to the Nika/Nami secret, yeah in that case i imagine youre right and only a few know about that stuff. I thought you were talking about important in general in the story
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Well, it really depends on how Emilia is introduced and if Noji is introduced in WiaB. What if Noji was a student trying to pay her way through med school and got employment at Leia's club? She then shuts off that part of her life, but keeps the wild friend who goes and maybe becomes a pornstar in WIlli and Zoeys porn studio idea (if that happens). If it's Emilie, the chance is certainly there, slight change of story... she certainly seems antagonistic to the Zanes, maybe she felt used and dumped by them?
Even if we were discussing something else, Emilia shows that the bookclub is not one cohesive conspiracy, she's almost a cat among the pigeons as much as Nika is.
When I think Summer can be an endless mystery, I'm kinda thinking of things like Twin Peaks, or Jeff Vandermeer's writings. There's something compelling about always being on the verge of understanding what is happening, but never getting the full picture. BUt that's just my preference. The length of development has made it hard for Ocean to have a simple explanation though, we have to be "wow! outrageous! such applause!" for it to be a satisfying explanation. If Emilio just gives Nika an email address after 10 minutes search, that would punk us cruelly. I personally prefer her remaining a memory haunting Nika, but I don't get to chose.Im kinda whatever about summer, she can stay away or come back (if the comeback is good and not cringe/stereotype) but there really nees to be some closure/explanation at some point imo otherwise this is all too nonsensical.
I think it would have worked best (exploring mental health problems) if summer simply would have died but it doesnt look like that case and if shes alive, she will come back at some point anyway.
I would hate the Zane's as antagonists, they have way to much advantages and the odds would be stacked way too much against Nika, and him still being able to handle that (despite all his problems) would feel cringe/undeserved/mary sue like.
Even more as all his sheming skills and his cunning just really really sucks ass, all his ideas in this department are super idiotic immature bullshit lmao (its similar to young willy
I kiiiinda maaaaaaybe like the idea of Nika and Nami being kids of the wiab antagonist(s), would still make Nika somewhat of a "prince" but of a dead legacy/lineage.
I disagree about this, and people like Emilia are there because its not (just) a bookclub, its more like a unisex gentlemens club, yeah they read books but its mainly to chat and to establish or keep connections. These are (partially) powerful women and not bored housewifes.
Add Claire, Nojiko, Katie, Amber, Sasha, Robin, adriana (problabl Miru's daughter), maybe Emilia to that list and whos left at this point anymore?
The kids of the WiaB antagonist thing I think would be a really interesting angle, kinda what I was thinking about maybe the Zane's are looking after them out of guilt. What would NIka's reaction be if he found out that the Zane's were responsible for every car crash in Wollust??? Failed brakes you say officer? How strange... Dylan's a mechanic right?
I kinda wonder how they all meet for the bookclub, they're quite a diverse range of people, but it's a ridiculously over the top mansion. So I wonder if the core of the club new each other prior, and this is just their way to hang out with friends (and drink too much wine)? I don't think there's special significance in the actual bookclub, it's just there's a lot of interesting people with interesting connections. We'll see the same at the golf/tennis club, at Ayua's studio, the gala, there will be Nika feeling like an outsider while everyone throws meaningful stars and whisper about him. Probably.
You forgot Kelly at very least ...and more importantly, Alyson:
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Oh yes, I was just thinking the other day (just two days ago, to be exact) how many similarities there actually are between Summer's Gone and Twin Peaks while listening Twin Peaks soundtrack music (the official release and other musical pieces featured in the series) - one of my all time favorite TV series.
I mean:
- Both have an unsolved mystery going on that we get occasional glimpses about, mostly as flashbacks. (And I would also prefer it to remain a mystery to the end or at least as long as possible)
- About a half or more of the cast are students with their daily shenanigans.
- Likely something truly sinister going on behind the curtains, at least in the past, if not the present.
- The whole beautiful dreamy misty environment - the city and forest AND a lake. Gorgeous views of it as a back drop for the scenes.
- AND last but not least, the beautiful soundtrack that matches it and keeps haunting you long after you stopped playing / watching it.
I wonder, who's the log lady equivalent is or is going to be?
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Haha for me it would feel more like the shows "Lost" or "The blacklist", endless mystery without (or with utterly shit) reward in the end. I really really REALLY hate stuff like that
Yeah i could imagine something like the zane's rushing the antagonists mansion in the end, killing everyone inside and the end is William seeing a 3 year old Nika and Nami sitting next to the bed where he just killed their parents.
The Frohn's got casually killed like some goons by willy somewhere inbetween
Just like, you know, written by someone who can write and is more creative than me
and im not sure if it would be this cool myself, just trying to come up with more original solutions lolI thought that was kinda obvious wasnt it? These arent random people who joined a bookclub and did meet each other there. The bookclub seems to be a creation of the zpr + their kids and "friends" conglomerate and i think its exactly like you mentioned that there are multiple locations like that.
I still (delusionaly) hope for a scene at the holgerson gala where Stefan Holgerson insults Nika and intends to throw him out just to be put in his place by Leia in front of everyone who's protecting/supporting Nika out of nowhere and everyone watching so confused whats happening (bella's tits lactating just by watching out of curiosity as nika would call it)
Oh and another important thing i noticed:
Noji's butt is perfect! Everything is forgiven!
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Noji's butt is perfect! Everything is forgiven!
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Oh yes, I was just thinking the other day (just two days ago, to be exact) how many similarities there actually are between Summer's Gone and Twin Peaks while listening Twin Peaks soundtrack music (the official release and other musical pieces featured in the series) - one of my all time favorite TV series.
I mean:
- Both have an unsolved mystery going on that we get occasional glimpses about, mostly as flashbacks. (And I would also prefer it to remain a mystery to the end or at least as long as possible)
- About a half or more of the cast are students with their daily shenanigans.
- Likely something truly sinister going on behind the curtains, at least in the past, if not the present.
- The whole beautiful dreamy misty environment - the city and forest AND a lake. Gorgeous views of it as a back drop for the scenes.
- AND last but not least, the beautiful soundtrack that matches it and keeps haunting you long after you stopped playing / watching it.
I wonder, who's the log lady equivalent is or is going to be?
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Then we will never know who killed Summer or why she disappeared.Oh yes, I was just thinking the other day (just two days ago, to be exact) how many similarities there actually are between Summer's Gone and Twin Peaks while listening Twin Peaks soundtrack music (the official release and other musical pieces featured in the series) - one of my all time favorite TV series.
I mean:
- Both have an unsolved mystery going on that we get occasional glimpses about, mostly as flashbacks. (And I would also prefer it to remain a mystery to the end or at least as long as possible)
- About a half or more of the cast are students with their daily shenanigans.
- Likely something truly sinister going on behind the curtains, at least in the past, if not the present.
- The whole beautiful dreamy misty environment - the city and forest AND a lake. Gorgeous views of it as a back drop for the scenes.
- AND last but not least, the beautiful soundtrack that matches it and keeps haunting you long after you stopped playing / watching it.
I wonder, who's the log lady equivalent is or is going to be?
holy shit what a game! I did not expect that! Thank you! Can not wait for season 2
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No shot Summer is dead. She just left town. You know she has to come back at some point so that can be the peak emotional height of the story because what the fuck else is there? MC finding out who Mommy and Daddy are?Then we will never know who killed Summer or why she disappeared.
SG isn't the game it once was. The stakes are way, way, wayyyy lower now. This is teen drama territory. This is The OC, Dawson's Creek, Vampire Diaries, Gossip Girl etc beat by beat.
I wish to everything that is holy that Summer is dead. I really, really do. But there's just no way...