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LHDLLB

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I'll try to be brief because it's time for me to sleep:
- Nia was Summer's friend at the same school. For Nika not to sit with her or notice her at all when he's hanging around Summer at the point that Summer talks about him with Nia, well it's odd. You can't get away from kids in school. BUt on the otherhand, I don't know girlfriends aunts unless I'm invited to a family dinner at christmas or something. BUt after the incident, everyone who didn't know Nika at the school, all their parents etc would know Nika, but he wouldn't know all of them.

-I'm not suggesting Stephanie is Elsa's mom, that doesn't look likely at all. An aunt can be through marriage. Plenty of flexibility and space. Now that Marla looks like her family is important enough storywise to introduce her (maybe, maybe not) sister, I wonder who she's connected to, and why we're being introduced to her. That's my only angle really. Another Marla does what exactly for the story? THere must be a reason.

-It was ch5 beta the gun was taken away, not the steam release. After that Ocean did the reworks on Ch2-3, some of thes scenes are where Miss Marla reacts to Nika. So it's likely the therapy and reactions are left on purpose because Ocean plans on Marla's story being tied to the therapy. So even if it's a holdover, I'm sure Ocean has a backstory for Marla planned.

- In any case, as I say, Marla's therapy is partially for her self image and pre-dates the accident with Vic. So the main subject of her therapy is not Vic, it's something likely earlier than that. She'll probably add Vic onto the pile of things she has therapy for. If Claire's bingo card is any indication, she's also laughed at behind her back by her peers.

- Do we know that Elsa goes to college? We know she's a model, but we don't know whether she's studying, I don't recall there being any indication of that. That Nika and Nami hang out with Elsa because of Summer, but not with Nia is a mystery.
- I don't know. Nika and Summer relationship looked like their parent are aware of it, they are still kids. He could have gone to a dinner and then was judge as trash or, I don't know, one million scenarios are possible. I find more hard to believe that Nika would forget someone who was related to Summer than Nia. From Nia dialogue I did not got the vibe that they spend much time together, only that after the birthday party Summer started to give some of her attention to Nia, with to her was a bid deal but to Summer she was just being kind. I can see Nika not caring to someone who Summer talked sometimes.

- I know. But so far the only aunt that Summer has that we know off is Elsa's mom. But as you said is not that hard or impossible that she had another. For the rest I agree. If we will get a second Miss Marla, there has to be a reason as to why and I am for thinking about where she would fit.

- Sorry, all the different versions are blender together in my mind. I agree, Marla story is likely to be linked to the therapy and I am sure that if he left the dialogue he has a reason for it. As I said, the thought just made sense. It was a simpler answer to a question. Marla wanting a shared therapy with Nika because he tried to kill her, or at least pointed a gun at her, is a simpler answer than she knows a secret or is related to his past.

- Here I fully agree, it is obvious that she is struggling with confidence. The scene where she pushes her shirt down before rescuing Nika from the locker room, and then Katie comments that she is, " trying too hard", Ocean is making progress with her in very subtle ways all through S1. But why Nika would be a problem to her and her confidence ? Even if she is related to Summer I can't see how the boyfriend of her teenager niece, would matter at all to the problem.

- I think that when we encounter at the dinner she says what college she is in, and is the same as the one Vanessa goes to, I may be miss remembering but I am fairly sure. Will look it. I really don't think so, Nia herself says that she was not the best friend of Summer, Nami was, until she was not anymore. What I am saying is that Summer was much more important to Nia than Nia to Summer, Summer cared for Nia but I think that they did really not spend much time together. If they did Nika would have remember her.
 

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Could you maybe...cut her up in say...10 parts? Then load each part into a separate TIE fighter and launch all but one at the nearest star? Drop the last one, containing her head, on the sarlacc pit. Pretty please? Just to make sure that dreadful creature never comes back. I'd be forever thankful ;)
Lmao why do you hate her so much? Or is it just the looks?

I was indifferent towards summer as a character until the Nia flashback but since then i think shes pretty cool and a good friend. And i bet she wont be a oversized fatty if she comes back :ROFLMAO:
 

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Could you maybe...cut her up in say...10 parts? Then load each part into a separate TIE fighter and launch all but one at the nearest star? Drop the last one, containing her head, on the sarlacc pit. Pretty please? Just to make sure that dreadful creature never comes back. I'd be forever thankful ;)
Well...Nasc...extreme...I mean...I could...
 
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Lmao why do you hate her so much? Or is it just the looks?

I was indifferent towards summer as a character until the Nia flashback but since then i think shes pretty cool and a good friend. And i bet she wont be a oversized fatty if she comes back :ROFLMAO:
If you played the earlier versions (NOT THE GROWN UP SUMMER) you know she was...not a nice child whatsoever. Ocean toned her down a bit since then but my first impression was sooo bad, it was scarred into my memory. She was mean, physically abusive, she turned her back on her friend because she had a crush on her brother. She treated her cousin like shit. So many examples...

I think Ocean wanted to portray her as rebellious but all I saw was a mean spirited, obnoxious child.

I totally understand that if you play the game now for the first time this take seems completely out of the left field due to the changes but in earlier versions I think you could somewhat see my point :)

Also there is the fact that I REALLY, REALLY don't want her back in the story. I think she has served her purpose as the source of the MC's trauma and coming back will only diminish the depth of that crucial plot point.
 

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If you played the earlier versions (NOT THE GROWN UP SUMMER) you know she was...not a nice child whatsoever. Ocean toned her down a bit since then but my first impression was sooo bad, it was scarred into my memory. She was mean, physically abusive, she turned her back on her friend because she had a crush on her brother. She treated her cousin like shit. So many examples...

I think Ocean wanted to portray her as rebellious but all I saw was a mean spirited, obnoxious child.

I totally understand that if you play the game now for the first time this take seems completely out of the left field due to the changes but in earlier versions I think you could somewhat see my point :)

Also there is the fact that I REALLY, REALLY don't want her back in the story. I think she has served her purpose as the source of the MC's trauma and coming back will only diminish the depth of that crucial plot point.
Hmm i dunno, i have played the original versions but dont really remember the big differences, and always thought the nami/summer thing was more on nami but maybe my memory just sucks :ROFLMAO:

I saw her as rebellious and rowdy lol
 
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Hmm i dunno, i have played the original versions but dont really remember the big differences, and always thought the nami/summer thing was more on nami but maybe my memory just sucks :ROFLMAO:

I saw her as rebellious and rowdy lol
Could just be different perspectives then.

I was always more pro-Nami. She had a normal "sibling relationship" with her "not-brother" and one day she comes home with her new best friend thinking she can finally get some support in her "sibling rivalry" only to end up being shunned by her "not-brother" and friend.

That's why I'm pretty sure whatever awful things Nami did in the past, all the stuff they agreed to not talk about, will be pretty fine to me. I already dislike the MC quite a bit too so I will most likely see that as deserved for all the shit him and Summer put her through.

Kinda mirrors the WiAB stuff. I dislike both William and Leia and their treatment of Katie as kids was certainly part of that.
 

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Could just be different perspectives then.

I was always more pro-Nami. She had a normal "sibling relationship" with her "not-brother" and one day she comes home with her new best friend thinking she can finally get some support in her "sibling rivalry" only to end up being shunned by her "not-brother" and friend.

That's why I'm pretty sure whatever awful things Nami did in the past, all the stuff they agreed to not talk about, will be pretty fine to me. I already dislike the MC quite a bit too so I will most likely see that as deserved for all the shit him and Summer put her through.

Kinda mirrors the WiAB stuff. I dislike both William and Leia and their treatment of Katie as kids was certainly part of that.
Yeah i always interpreted it as:

Nami is hyper jealous and territorial and cant handle her two clostest friends liking each other. Feeling like the third wheel because the other two are in love with each other, its not unnatural for a little girl to get sad/angry about it.

Seeing how Summer apparently still valued her other friendships (and Nika too before he became a weirdo considering he was popular) makes me think it was nami who distanced herself from them instead of the other way around.

If she was in love with her not-brother back than already its reasonable that its too hurtful.

But thats on Nami and i think thats exactly what Nika is talking about when they get the pizza when they are chilling at the frohns place. Nami is (and was) the one behaving irrational because of her emotions/feelings, its not on Nika (or Summer).
 

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Yeah i always interpreted it as:

Nami is hyper jealous and territorial and cant handle her two clostest friends liking each other. Feeling like the third wheel because the other two are in love with each other, its not unnatural for a little girl to get sad/angry about it.

Seeing how Summer apparently still valued her other friendships (and Nika too before he became a weirdo considering he was popular) makes me think it was nami who distanced herself from them instead of the other way around.

If she was in love with her not-brother back than already its reasonable that its too hurtful.

But thats on Nami and i think thats exactly what Nika is talking about when they get the pizza when they are chilling at the frohns place. Nami is (and was) the one behaving irrational because of her emotions/feelings, its not on Nika (or Summer).
Very reasonable take. You may very well be correct in your interpretation.

But even if you are, I don't think it will change my mind on the situation. I still think Nami was done dirty. And I still think Summer and the MC are extremely unlikeable as teens.

I will admit my bias towards characters that are as loyal and devoted as Nami is to her not-brother. So I will always stand by her.

All said and done, Summer is the antichrist as far as I'm concerned and I truly hope she is dead :LOL:
 

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Very reasonable take. You may very well be correct in your interpretation.

But even if you are, I don't think it will change my mind on the situation. I still think Nami was done dirty. And I still think Summer and the MC are extremely unlikeable as teens.

I will admit my bias towards characters that are as loyal and devoted as Nami is to her not-brother. So I will always stand by her.

All said and done, Summer is the antichrist as far as I'm concerned and I truly hope she is dead :LOL:
They both (Nika and summer) have a bit of unlikeable characteristics of popular/confident kids but all kids are kinda assholes at some point :ROFLMAO:

I wouldnt have liked myself as a kid either :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO: but i still think it was more good than bad.

I really like Nami's loyality too (just less as a LI and more as a sister) and Nika in my playthroughs will always have her back - no matter what - she could kill someone entirely unreasonable and my Nika would still help her to hide it :BootyTime:
 

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All said and done, Summer is the antichrist as far as I'm concerned and I truly hope she is dead
I could not care less if she alive or dead. However I feel there are far more interesting LI than Nami in this VN. Absolutely more than Summer for sure. Nami is cute as hell but just abit too much for my taste
 
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Haven't played it for a year. So correct me if I'm wrong - the developer is milking 1000+ patreon subscribers, releasing 1-2 meaningless updates per year with tons of dialogs and pictures, no 18+ scenes with main girls, considering that the game is super-old. For example, NTL media managed to finish treasure of nadia and genesis order while this guy "working hard" on one renpy vn.

Anything else I dont know about this game?
 

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Haven't played it for a year. So correct me if I'm wrong - the developer is milking 1000+ patreon subscribers, releasing 1-2 meaningless updates per year with tons of dialogs and pictures, no 18+ scenes with main girls, considering that the game is super-old. For example, NTL media managed to finish treasure of nadia and genesis order while this guy "working hard" on one renpy vn.

Anything else I dont know about this game?
Ahahahaha lol ntl "avns" :ROFLMAO:
 

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Haven't played it for a year. So correct me if I'm wrong - the developer is milking 1000+ patreon subscribers, releasing 1-2 meaningless updates per year with tons of dialogs and pictures, no 18+ scenes with main girls, considering that the game is super-old. For example, NTL media managed to finish treasure of nadia and genesis order while this guy "working hard" on one renpy vn.

Anything else I dont know about this game?
Yes, a significant number of people enjoy the dialogue and pictures even without sex scenes.

Ocean needs to milk better, as he's way too occupied churning out renders right now, actually doing what his supporters pay for. If they're comfortable, I just wait until there's an update.

Pirates are the actual milkers you realise right? We're the ones here that get something for nothing.

Edit: Also, Ocean's working on two AVN's, one of which has sex scenes. So your dissing needs improvement. You should also obey the forum lords and not mention other AVN's than the devs in a thread, mods love the work.
 

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Yes, a significant number of people enjoy the dialogue and pictures even without sex scenes.

Ocean needs to milk better, as he's way too occupied churning out renders right now, actually doing what his supporters pay for. If they're comfortable, I just wait until there's an update.

Pirates are the actual milkers you realise right? We're the ones here that get something for nothing.
Yes, a significant number of people enjoy the dialogue and pictures even without sex scenes.

Ocean needs to milk better, as he's way too occupied churning out renders right now, actually doing what his supporters pay for. If they're comfortable, I just wait until there's an update.

Pirates are the actual milkers you realise right? We're the ones here that get something for nothing.
So nice you had to say it twice. :KEK:
 

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So nice you had to say it twice. :KEK:
The last firefox update has been reacting weirdly with this site, sorry and fixed

It was a good post alright? Sheesh tough crowd :KEK:

- I don't know. Nika and Summer relationship looked like their parent are aware of it, they are still kids. He could have gone to a dinner and then was judge as trash or, I don't know, one million scenarios are possible. I find more hard to believe that Nika would forget someone who was related to Summer than Nia. From Nia dialogue I did not got the vibe that they spend much time together, only that after the birthday party Summer started to give some of her attention to Nia, with to her was a bid deal but to Summer she was just being kind. I can see Nika not caring to someone who Summer talked sometimes.

- I know. But so far the only aunt that Summer has that we know off is Elsa's mom. But as you said is not that hard or impossible that she had another. For the rest I agree. If we will get a second Miss Marla, there has to be a reason as to why and I am for thinking about where she would fit.

- Sorry, all the different versions are blender together in my mind. I agree, Marla story is likely to be linked to the therapy and I am sure that if he left the dialogue he has a reason for it. As I said, the thought just made sense. It was a simpler answer to a question. Marla wanting a shared therapy with Nika because he tried to kill her, or at least pointed a gun at her, is a simpler answer than she knows a secret or is related to his past.

- Here I fully agree, it is obvious that she is struggling with confidence. The scene where she pushes her shirt down before rescuing Nika from the locker room, and then Katie comments that she is, " trying too hard", Ocean is making progress with her in very subtle ways all through S1. But why Nika would be a problem to her and her confidence ? Even if she is related to Summer I can't see how the boyfriend of her teenager niece, would matter at all to the problem.

- I think that when we encounter at the dinner she says what college she is in, and is the same as the one Vanessa goes to, I may be miss remembering but I am fairly sure. Will look it. I really don't think so, Nia herself says that she was not the best friend of Summer, Nami was, until she was not anymore. What I am saying is that Summer was much more important to Nia than Nia to Summer, Summer cared for Nia but I think that they did really not spend much time together. If they did Nika would have remember her.
- As I say, Summer's extended family are unlikely to have met Nika (other than Elsa's mom, as they hang out with Elsa). Extended family might just tell their kids that NIka's trash just because it's what Summer's parents say. You don't have to meet someone to talk shit about them - family take sides without evidence all the time.

- Nika remembers the giraffe, which means that he saw it in Summer's home before Summer gave it to Nia. Summer and Elsa hang out like a posse with Nika and Nami, so it is strange that Nia doesn't, other than Ocean's plot reasons of making sure Nika didn't recognise Nia. And I think that's the sole reason - Ocean wanted a revelation moment, and wants Nika not to recognise people, it's part of his way to create surprise. I think actually Nia was important to Summer, it wasn't a one off thing - why would Summer go to her party with a present if it was just the first time they hung out? Nia has enough history, but Summer already knew Nika as well, telling Nia all about their relationship. Nia even tells Summer why she doesn't socialise, so Summer thought it was strange as well. All that matters is that Nia wasn't a casual acquaintance, even though her best friend was Nika.

- Even though the gun appeared like a simpler option, if someone pointed a gun at you would you be comfortable meeting them for therapy? More likely she'd want the police involved than therapy. What's to reconcile in the old version? they both had adrenaline and pointed a gun at each other. In Marla's case it's less traumatic being aimed at because she knows it's blanks, she literally knows he can't kill her with it. Even in the gun scenario, there's no guarantee you didn't disarm her and throw the gun away - shooting the blanks at her isn't guaranteed. So what trauma is there for her to work through? If you did try to kill her, she'd want a restraining order instead, but the therapy is regardless of that choice to point the gun at her.

- Why would NIka be the problem? That's the question we're trying to find out here. We probably can't, and I'm just shooting blanks at why Marla's there. :KEK: More seriously, we don't know Marla's trigger (sorry not sorry) for her confidence trauma. I think it's something to do with Nika's situation. JUst like Nika's never met Katie, but she knows who Nika is, Hill knows who Nika is, Marla does as well. Keep in mind she's employed and has access to the student folders, so she knows more about Nika than we know. It's a lot more complicated than what is between NIka and Marla, it covers why ZPR are interested in Nika and Nami maybe? So if Nami has Leia's earring, and Katie is possibly there at the bookclub to meet Nami (not knowing NIka would be there) Marla doesn't care one bit about Nami, only Nika, despite both of them appearing to get some form of scholarship (no choice about college). Marla is indifferent to Nami, while Hill and Marla know things about him. Katie is interested in both.

Anyway, the point is that Marla has an insterest in Nika that has nothing to do with the gun or the crash. Group therapy for Marla regarding the crash should also involve the police and Vic, as Nika was just a bystander like the police. People get fixated by the gun in weird ways, maybe it belonged to Chekov. :coffee::whistle:

- Marla's reason for shared therapy can be a variey of things. IF she's related to Summer in some fashion, she might regret what happened that caused Summer to go missing. She might not be related, but caused the crash that killed Nika's parents. It can't be therapy for attraction, because she hasn't seen him enough and had enough awkward encounters to warrant therapy for liking a young student. Nika will probably believe the therapy is for the accident, but it's most likely something else. The accident just throws them together and becomes the vehicle/mechanism that starts their path.
 
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Nope, I mean this one, the Charlie's Angels vibe, so the assumption is an intended posse:
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Looks like she shops at the same place as the redhead for dresses, but here she is talking to the first team's coach, suggesting a sports focus.
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If this is also her, she's done the hair dye thing that both Ayua and the redhead have done. But I'm not 100% it's her, it might be an updated tattoo henna, because Ocean isn't always consistent (like Sonya's jewellery changing colour, guy with hair being bald etc)
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Ocean is killing motherfuckers with these hot chicks.
 
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