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LHDLLB

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The moment we start having access to the same information that Nika and Nami have and that is still hidden from us should shed new light on many secrets

At the moment, I don't even know what the status of Nika memory about the events in the cabin is, the confession to Bella immediately jumps to the end of the story and during the session with Amber, Nika freezes at the very beginning. Does he remember everything? Did he lose consciousness and remember nothing or does he suffer from Marnie syndrome and repressed everything from his consciousness but reacts negatively in a subconscious way

I also don't know how to refer to this cut intro which, as I understand it, met such a fate for regulatory reasons and not artistic


Is this a real course of events or a bad dream?
Is the event that draws Nika attention at 4:12 the arrival of Officer Laverne? Is it some third person he doesn't remember responsible for the whole mess?

Whenever I wonder if the Summer issue will be resolved or not I go back to this video, it was supposed to be the title intro to his entire game, it's hard for me to believe that the event that was supposed to be the main theme of the title intro will never receive clear answers throughout the story.
I think that we can't trust nothing that Nika remembers or says about Summer, he is not a reliable narrator on this regard. I also am not really invested on the Summer mystery so I don't give it much thought but I think is kinda of a mystery to everyone, I don't think that Nami or Nika knows but don't talk about it. Summer disappeared. My pet theory is that Nika and Summer are gonna runway together but Nami somehow prevented Nika from leaving, some shit happened and Summer is gone.
 
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BobTheDuck

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- Yeah, as I said, is not impossible just seems like a odd choice to me. I don't really see what it can add to the story having Marla being a distant relative of Summer that now wants a shared therapy session.

- The Nia thing I will have to disagree, maybe she invited the whole class and Summer was the only one who showed up, and being a birthday party to a kid bringing a present sounds like the natural thing to do. I really don't see it as Ocean handing fist a scenario to create drama. It does seems like a really possible thing that happened. They are kids, Nia was felling down Summer was talking and open up with her, Nia did the same and later they became friends but Nia was too much of a introvert to hang around Summer. Seems like a completely possible scenario. But this only means we are reading things differently, you might be in the right here.

- I am not dyeing on the hill that the gun is the reason that she wanted therapy, because I don't really think it is, I don't rally have clue. It just offered a more simple answer. I can imagine that give all the situation she felt unconformable being around Nika and maybe she thought that if he was in one session with her would help her figure it out ? Regarding the choice to shoot her or not, my point was that the shared session could be the point where we had the pay off of having shoot her, not that shoot her was the trigger to the therapy.

- The difference is that Coach Hill has a reason to know who Nika is, he was a prominent basketball player, Katie also has one, maybe because Nojiko or some other reason, plus she is a Zane and there is a expectation of a relationship between the Zanes and Nika even if it does not means they are related we know that there is a link between them. Marla has none of it, it does not mean that she could not have, just that is less of a natural conclusion given what we know. Is interesting will bring up Nami, have not thought of that, but if there is something with Nika it has to have something with Nami as well and Marla would have to know it too. So maybe what she want to talk with Nika has nothing to with ZPR ?

- Yeah, this I agree. I really dig the idea that Marla killed Nika's parent, could become a current joke, every Season Marla hits someone with the car. Also I looked the Elsa thing and I was wrong, it is not stated if she is in college or not, at least not on the scenes I thought it did.



I fully agree, I absolutely agree. But if Ocean make the path in at least in one save Nick will be cuked.
I'm digging this conversation but I'll bow out pretty soon, we're going in circles because we don't have enough info.
- All narrative choice are odd until they're substantiated, and I guess we'll see. Ocean's cabin that's 6 hours drive away yet in walking distance is odd too (my favourite plot hole to dig into).
- I've never gone to a birthday and bought a present for someone I didn't know. I'm guessing that Summer was already a friend, we know Summer made a friend with Nami, she turned Nika from an enemy to a friend, she's friendly. And obsesive about Nika.
- The therapy question exists regardless of the gun even when the gun was in the game. SO the therapy is not contingent on any of Nika's choices about the gun. It could be the accident, but then why not include VIc? That's the obvious thing to do.
- We only found out about Coach hill in the rework. That bit of information changed how we see some of the basketball plotline. What bit of information don't we know about Marla other than her backstory?
- Marla could be anyone, but her reactions of smoking inside after to talking to Nika, while not smoking after talking with Vic says there is something more unsettling about dealing with Nika to her than talking to someone she almost killed. Admittedly Vic does make people feel accepted, and Nika does seem to look like a threat to most people, so there's that :KEK:
 

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I'm digging this conversation but I'll bow out pretty soon, we're going in circles because we don't have enough info.
- All narrative choice are odd until they're substantiated, and I guess we'll see. Ocean's cabin that's 6 hours drive away yet in walking distance is odd too (my favourite plot hole to dig into).
- I've never gone to a birthday and bought a present for someone I didn't know. I'm guessing that Summer was already a friend, we know Summer made a friend with Nami, she turned Nika from an enemy to a friend, she's friendly. And obsesive about Nika.
- The therapy question exists regardless of the gun even when the gun was in the game. SO the therapy is not contingent on any of Nika's choices about the gun. It could be the accident, but then why not include VIc? That's the obvious thing to do.
- We only found out about Coach hill in the rework. That bit of information changed how we see some of the basketball plotline. What bit of information don't we know about Marla other than her backstory?
- Marla could be anyone, but her reactions of smoking inside after to talking to Nika, while not smoking after talking with Vic says there is something more unsettling about dealing with Nika to her than talking to someone she almost killed. Admittedly Vic does make people feel accepted, and Nika does seem to look like a threat to most people, so there's that :KEK:
I swear Maja had a perfect way of describing his aura. At least before he took steps to begin healing.
 

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Also there is the fact that I REALLY, REALLY don't want her back in the story. I think she has served her purpose as the source of the MC's trauma and coming back will only diminish the depth of that crucial plot point.
I deeply agree with this, having Summer reappear to create drama with the current LI seems stupid as well as annoying.
I was always more pro-Nami. She had a normal "sibling relationship" with her "not-brother" and one day she comes home with her new best friend thinking she can finally get some support in her "sibling rivalry" only to end up being shunned by her "not-brother" and friend.
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However I feel there are far more interesting LI than Nami in this VN.
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To be honest I'm not interested in noji, I have other objectives in mind. :Kappa:
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Mr_Mister

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Outta reacts, but yes.

We don't know if it's a dream or reality. I believe the cut was Ocean being overly cautious, I've never checked whether it was one of the cut pieces of music - I only played the steam release with music on, so I have no memory of earlier soundtracks.

What we do know is that Nami did send Jane (Laverne? Someone else?) after them, and Nika blames her a little for doing so as he and SUmmer might have gone further otherwise, and Laverne is mentioned to Amber. So the recollection might be faulty, but still based on actual events. Maybe it's only the spiders that weren't real, and the flowers came alive and ate Summer? Or took her to the center of the universe with the mad piper (the whole scene is a little lovecraftian).

What if the (potential) second Marla's name is Jane? It'll be interesting to have something more to go on once the update appears, I'll start coming up with even longer stretches of the imagination :sneaky:
the song used on that intro was one of the licenses that Ocean lost , it was a shame that Summer's Gone lost 90% of the soundtrack and the new songs are not as memorable .
and after the reworks , don't know if you noticed it but the intro video it's kinda botched ,Oceans remove frames from the video and now you have those weird 2 to 4 seconds black screens .
even the Vic's accident video and the Mc preparing for his date was reworked .
but the weirdest thing was the removal of the ambient sounds .
 
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RNasc4444

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Is it wrong that sometimes I dream that Marla finished the job and actually killed Vic so my MC had a shot at Maja? I mean...I absolutely love Vic in a non-romantic way but her death would have been worth it 100% if it meant Maja could be an LI!

Yeah I said it! And I'm not sorry! :cool:
 

yossa999

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Is it wrong that sometimes I dream that Marla finished the job and actually killed Vic so my MC had a shot at Maja? I mean...I absolutely love Vic in a non-romantic way but her death would have been worth it 100% if it meant Maja could be an LI!

Yeah I said it! And I'm not sorry! :cool:
I don't even know what to say to this. So I'll just leave this picture here.
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LHDLLB

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The Bdsm kinks makes her hotter to me, I want her to put me in my place.

I hope Nami and Bella have some dom tendencies and they can dom me together on the throuple path.
I think that the only femdom route will be Vanessa, at least more on the heavy side. It has 13 LIs, even if he wanted make a dedicated Dom/Sub/Romantic route to every LI will be impossible.
 
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