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Pl@y3r

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You can fight it all you like, but Ocean abandoned drug happy Summer, the gun, the dolphin jokes, the old William flashback, the old WiaB storyline, William's rockabilly haircut (which changedat least 3 times in chapter 6)...

If you want Ocean's canon, it's that Helen breeds Miru behind Willi's back and that's where Nika comes from:

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Is this canon? It's in the old WiaB...

SG Season 1 is considered a completed work. Ocean can of course mess us around, but there are diminishing returns for him doing this. He can't sell S1 to people who have already bought it. It won't generate more income. So he's progressing with Season 2. Simple economics will tell him to leave it alone now because he needs to sell WiaB and he needs to start selling Season 2. Sure he'd like to fix things like the missing animations and the music licenses, but he's going to be too busy making sure he can pay next years taxes.

Old players, have to learn that downloading from a site like this has no guarantees. Some of my favourite games have been abandoned because there was too much to rework to meet patreon's ToS. Others I have to play all the way from the start every update of 200 renders or whatever. This is actually a common thing. You can try to hold onto your past memories, but Ocean has abandoned the old versions. Making sense of the story in the official version is the only thing you can do to make sense of the next release.
I don't know why you had to post that shit. You could've at least hid it under a spoiler...Was the dev high or what? I never said I prefer the old version of SG. The new one is definitely better. And SG S1 is not completed work, not with old models still in the game, missing music, grammatical errors...
He can't sell S1 to people who have already bought it.
Wanna bet?
Ocean has abandoned the old versions. Making sense of the story in the official version is the only thing you can do to make sense of the next release.
That's the thing, those versions were official at some point. That was the story. And then the dev decided to make major changes. Sure the VNs improved and even though you could just ignore those old versions wouldn't have been better to have the current story from the start? You play the first episode and when the second one is released the things you knew no longer apply...
 

LHDLLB

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I already believed that Nika is the son of someone important from WIAB and seeing those renders it's pretty clear to me, though not 100% sure.

To new players sure, but for those being here from the beggining in both WIAB and SG's cases, how many reworks can you be ok with? Whether it's changed because of Patreon or on a whim.

But there was. Again no issue for new players, but what about old ones?


I remember another render of "old Summer" at the cabin. That was work in progress too? Can you guarantee that nothing major from S1 will be changed at some point in the future? No one can not even the dev because of stuff like Patreon ToS... Or something from the previews from S2E1. Imagine if the dev is currently reworking S1 removing a major character completely and replacing the game everywhere. Would you be ok with that saying "oh that's the old SG, the new one is what matters"?

Even if it was an alpha you can't just change important things like this and expect people to be ok with it.

That's the problem. Where do you draw the line?
i get what you are saying and I don't disagree entirely, but ultimately is Ocean's story and if he has repeatedly told us that OG WiaB is a dead end and we should not consider it going forward there is not a reason for us be looking back, regarless of how we feel about it.

If Ocean changes the story to the point that I don't see value in it anymore, I will simply walk away. My problem in SG is not that he changed it, is that the story now does not make sense. And my fear is that the same will happen in WiaB, despite his intentions.
 

BobTheDuck

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I don't know why you had to post that shit. You could've at least hid it under a spoiler...Was the dev high or what? I never said I prefer the old version of SG. The new one is definitely better. And SG S1 is not completed work, not with old models still in the game, missing music, grammatical errors...

Wanna bet?

That's the thing, those versions were official at some point. That was the story. And then the dev decided to make major changes. Sure the VNs improved and even though you could just ignore those old versions wouldn't have been better to have the current story from the start? You play the first episode and when the second one is released the things you knew no longer apply...
The reason I posted it is to show there's heaps of things that Ocean has done that don't have a place in either game. If Ocean takes them out, they're not canon. It really is that simple. The author removed it, the current version is what there is, no matter what we remember. You'll have forgotten how "cool" the gun scene was by the time we get to season 5. Or it'll be nostalgia. The only thing we can take seriously is whatever is the current form of the work.

First, you want to say that stuff pre-rework (William's old kid model) proves something about the games, then you say you prefer the new games. Well, the new games don't have that scene.

If we're going to pirate from this site the hazard is seeing games grow and change. I can't think of too many games with serious development time where the dev hasn't changed fundamental things at some point. It's against the site's rules to mention it, but it happens. And it happened a LOT in the last year with patreon's ToS. If Ocean wants to make sure his games are safe from the inquisition, I welcome the changes that allow the game to continue.

If the game becomes boring by too many changes, well, there are others I can play. Everyone has different limits of what they'll accept.

As far as getting people on steam to pay for SG Season 1 again, he'd have to market it as a different product - it's in their libraries. He could try a DLC that replaces the script, but he'd get some serious negative reactions from that kind of shenanigans. But also, he has a desire to work on moving the story forward right now, he got burnt out from reworks, and reached the point where he couldn't keep fixing things. Complete doesn't mean perfect either. So many games released on steam have typos, bugs, AAA games as well.
 

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If we're going to pirate from this site the hazard is seeing games grow and change. I can't think of too many games with serious development time where the dev hasn't changed fundamental things at some point.
Ok Bob, maybe I'm missing what your trying to say here but how do you mean? 90% of the games I play that are currently in development (and have been for years) have not had "fundamental" changes made to them. At least not even remotely to the point that SG and now WiAB have. Did you mean games with anything that that can be construed as incest especifically? Because even then I cannot recall a single game I'm currently playing that has made a single monumental retroactive change like SG has.

Even though my sample size is small (I'm currently playing 19 games that are in development). Nothing even comes close to this game. Personalities of most characters have changed. Relationships. Last names. Plot points. Motivations. Things kept getting added to the middle of the existent story that completely break any semblance of continuity. Canon? In SG? It changes almost everytime a new update comes out. How can you possibly create a story that makes any sense when you keep creating inconsistencies every step of the way?

This is how I see the development of SG so far:
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I call this depiction "Self Inflicted Wounds". We've been in the second panel for years now since the reworks began. And even though I have issues with the game, I really, really hope we never get to the 3rd.
 

Maviarab

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Ok Bob, maybe I'm missing what your trying to say here but how do you mean? 90% of the games I play that are currently in development (and have been for years) have not had "fundamental" changes made to them. At least not even remotely to the point that SG and now WiAB have. Did you mean games with anything that that can be construed as incest especifically? Because even then I cannot recall a single game I'm currently playing that has made a single monumental retroactive change like SG has.

Even though my sample size is small (I'm currently playing 19 games that are in development). Nothing even comes close to this game. Personalities of most characters have changed. Relationships. Last names. Plot points. Motivations. Things kept getting added to the middle of the existent story that completely break any semblance of continuity. Canon? In SG? It changes almost everytime a new update comes out. How can you possibly create a story that makes any sense when you keep creating inconsistencies every step of the way?

This is how I see the development of SG so far:
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I call this depiction "Self Inflicted Wounds". We've been in the second panel for years now since the reworks began. And even though I have issues with the game, I really, really hope we never get to the 3rd.
I'll admit...it's a little hyperbole...

Some numbers: (cos I'm a stats guy). I've discounted and don't care about 581 VN's. Of those, I would say around 20 I stopped following because the dev changed stuff and it was no longer the story that got me interested in the first place.

I currently 'follow' 69...of those, 15 are also on the verge of being dropped, for very similar reasons. They have changed story elements are now heading in a direction that does not interest me.

I have kept (completed) just 33 (and some of that number are side stories to the main VN). So yes, it does happen, but even I wouldn't say it's often or common either.
 

BobTheDuck

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Ok Bob, maybe I'm missing what your trying to say here but how do you mean? 90% of the games I play that are currently in development (and have been for years) have not had "fundamental" changes made to them. At least not even remotely to the point that SG and now WiAB have. Did you mean games with anything that that can be construed as incest especifically? Because even then I cannot recall a single game I'm currently playing that has made a single monumental retroactive change like SG has.

Even though my sample size is small (I'm currently playing 19 games that are in development). Nothing even comes close to this game. Personalities of most characters have changed. Relationships. Last names. Plot points. Motivations. Things kept getting added to the middle of the existent story that completely break any semblance of continuity. Canon? In SG? It changes almost everytime a new update comes out. How can you possibly create a story that makes any sense when you keep creating inconsistencies every step of the way?

This is how I see the development of SG so far:
View attachment 4392257
I call this depiction "Self Inflicted Wounds". We've been in the second panel for years now since the reworks began. And even though I have issues with the game, I really, really hope we never get to the 3rd.
Well, that's the thing, I COULD give examples, but it's against the rules ...which makes me look like a wanker saying it. But my sample size is based on having a current watch list of 320, having played 94 games that got abandoned, 34 games that got completed, and having a further 77 games that I've partially played that have been completed (that aren't on my watch list). This means I have years worth of material to play, some of which might be shit, but I'll delete when I discover that.

I tend to give things a chance, and by looking at the number of abandond games I've played (some of them absolute gems better than the average released) I see that same stat on the site. There are WAY more RenPy games that get abandoned than finished (I almost only play RenPy games): on the site, 41.7% of RenPy games are abandoned, 28.1% completed and 29.1% are in active development, including games that haven't seen an update in a year. Is this because the renders make it appear less of a fantasy to the censors? Most likely. RenPy devs don't have a good average.

That implies my sample size is pretty large even if I'm only active in this thread - I mean, I have been here since 2018, like an absolute leech :coffee::whistle: What I've noticed is the biggest changes are usually finding the simplest ways around incest and school settings. ONe game got abandoned for non consensual sleep sex, it was a vague horror.

So what has Ocean done? He's made changes that mean the games that he's invested more than half a decade into aren't a negative statistic by reworking things that are problematic for the ongoing story. There are quite a few examples of this. Ocean has been the most dramatic in changing the fundamental direction of SG and starting from the ground up with WiaB.

The problem isn't the continuity of the story, but the continuity of our memories of what we played last. If you can divorce what you remember from what's in front of you, the continuity within the published form of the game really has one glaring issue, that that's the nature of Nika and Nami's past. That's Ocean's biggest omission. But that hasn't made sense from any version of the game. Most of the things that don't make sense (other than the bad writing of cat scratches, impossible timelines and cabin distances) are trying to reconcile our memories of the previous versions.

The canon isn't an ironclad plot, it is simply the officially published plot that the author has released. Steam isn't early access for SG, so therefore, we assume a finished season. The bad will Ocean would generate by changing season 1 would outweigh most benefits of the time wasted doing it. I won't put it past him, but it's less likely now it's behind him.

As far as grand statements though, changes to characters - Nia, Robin, Kate, Maja, Sasha, Sonja, Jeff, Trey, Zara, Vanessa, Amber, Nadia, Kate ...the vast majority have had no substatial changes to their continuity. Some of that is lack of content, but it is mostly Bella, Nami, Mila, Vic and Nika who have suffered. Bella hasn't changed but been toned down. Her story is essentially the same as it always has been, but it's lost a bit of impact. Nami is the one has suffered the most, and she is the one that is the biggest potential to cause Ocean issues. Mila ...her story hasn't changed at all. But who is Mila, I can't guess day to day what she'll look like. At least now I have a face that's relatively consistent (but not 100% ...lets pretend it's makeup or something). Vic has had the same problem as Mila, it's mostly cosmetics that have changed, but she's more consistent. Ayua, again, cosmetics, like Robin - their stories are still mostly the same, just expanded.

Nika, Nami and Noji are the real ones with the problems, as they have changed between versions in dramatic ways. We've debated how that's changed, and mostly it's because we remember the old versions and hold onto them.

If we talk WiaB, since the reboot - what continuity errors? Again it's our expectations based on the memories of the old versions that make us unhappy with what's in front of us. I've made a decision to try to keep a separation between the old, redundant canon of pre-rework in both games so I can try to see the games as someone who stumbles across it now for the first time. Of course I still reference the old versions about things I hope to see, like Donna and Elena's involvement in WiaB and how they become part of ZPR - because currently none of that material even exists, it's only hints.

Anyway, you've seen me write all this stuff before. It's just that tiresome point when people go, "hey NIka has green eyes and Leia has green eyes! Wow". We ALL know Ocean's on patreon, end of similarity right there.

I'll admit...it's a little hyperbole...
I think I've addressed this, my hyperbole is about as dramatic as people making connections to abandoned content. I didn't even include a picture of Katie in my ted talk. It's time for more interesting things, like coffee or an update :coffee::whistle:

Some numbers: (cos I'm a stats guy). I've discounted and don't care about 581 VN's. Of those, I would say around 20 I stopped following because the dev changed stuff and it was no longer the story that got me interested in the first place.

I currently 'follow' 69...of those, 15 are also on the verge of being dropped, for very similar reasons. They have changed story elements are now heading in a direction that does not interest me.
Edit: Actually, thinking more about the numbers here - of the games you are interested in, as opposed to discounted due to no interest - those 20 that were dropped were dropped because they changed right? The other 561 were just things you decided you didn't like. So of the things that interested you that are in current development, there are 89 threads, you dropped 20 of those due to changes and 15 more are likely to be dropped. 35/89 is roughly 2/5ths. 39% risk of changes that cause you to drop a game (that interests you) because it shifts too far from what attracted you are pretty significant odds. Even if we discount the 20, it's 1 in 5 games that are in development (that you're interested in) that have changes causing you to potentially drop them. Again, that's not insignificant.
 
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Ray_D

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Man I feel fortunate to have only found this game in the last 4-5 months. I've tried twice but couldn't find myself getting into WIAB. I have read some of the multipage dissertations of complaints about reworks here, but so far I've enjoyed SG without having to worry about past versions or other connected games.
Don't worry, you will soon join our legions of eternal suffering waiting for new chapters. :HideThePain:
 

Maviarab

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Edit: Actually, thinking more about the numbers here - of the games you are interested in, as opposed to discounted due to no interest - those 20 that were dropped were dropped because they changed right? The other 561 were just things you decided you didn't like. So of the things that interested you that are in current development, there are 89 threads, you dropped 20 of those due to changes and 15 more are likely to be dropped. 35/89 is roughly 2/5ths. 39% risk of changes that cause you to drop a game (that interests you) because it shifts too far from what attracted you are pretty significant odds. Even if we discount the 20, it's 1 in 5 games that are in development (that you're interested in) that have changes causing you to potentially drop them. Again, that's not insignificant.
I'm also very fussy lol...and getting more so as I get older. This is a great example, were it nor for WIAB, I'd have dropped this a long time ago too ;)
 

Dr.TSoni

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So what has Ocean done? He's made changes that mean the games that he's invested more than half a decade into aren't a negative statistic by reworking things that are problematic for the ongoing story. There are quite a few examples of this. Ocean has been the most dramatic in changing the fundamental direction of SG and starting from the ground up with WiaB.
I have three problems with this point:
- Ocean has never been clear about it and instead of telling us outright "I've got the Patreon inquisition so far up my ass, if they spits it's coming out of my mouth." he came up with "artistic decisions".
- He didn't make these changes, the problem arose with the suppression of WiAB from there to the release on Steam could have fixed the relationship between Nami and Nika in Season 1
- The change he wants to make to WiAB could potentially change the very core of the story
 

Elduriel

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I'm also very fussy lol...and getting more so as I get older. This is a great example, were it nor for WIAB, I'd have dropped this a long time ago too ;)
I'll probably play each new update that comes out, but I'm nowhere near as enthusiastic about it as I was a couple years ago. Too much disappointment as to how the dev process was handled. So I'm just tagging along, but don't really give a shit.
 

sorco2003

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Well, that's the thing, I COULD give examples, but it's against the rules ...which makes me look like a wanker saying it. But my sample size is based on having a current watch list of 320, having played 94 games that got abandoned, 34 games that got completed, and having a further 77 games that I've partially played that have been completed (that aren't on my watch list). This means I have years worth of material to play, some of which might be shit, but I'll delete when I discover that.

I tend to give things a chance, and by looking at the number of abandond games I've played (some of them absolute gems better than the average released) I see that same stat on the site. There are WAY more RenPy games that get abandoned than finished (I almost only play RenPy games): on the site, 41.7% of RenPy games are abandoned, 28.1% completed and 29.1% are in active development, including games that haven't seen an update in a year. Is this because the renders make it appear less of a fantasy to the censors? Most likely. RenPy devs don't have a good average.

That implies my sample size is pretty large even if I'm only active in this thread - I mean, I have been here since 2018, like an absolute leech :coffee::whistle: What I've noticed is the biggest changes are usually finding the simplest ways around incest and school settings. ONe game got abandoned for non consensual sleep sex, it was a vague horror.

So what has Ocean done? He's made changes that mean the games that he's invested more than half a decade into aren't a negative statistic by reworking things that are problematic for the ongoing story. There are quite a few examples of this. Ocean has been the most dramatic in changing the fundamental direction of SG and starting from the ground up with WiaB.

The problem isn't the continuity of the story, but the continuity of our memories of what we played last. If you can divorce what you remember from what's in front of you, the continuity within the published form of the game really has one glaring issue, that that's the nature of Nika and Nami's past. That's Ocean's biggest omission. But that hasn't made sense from any version of the game. Most of the things that don't make sense (other than the bad writing of cat scratches, impossible timelines and cabin distances) are trying to reconcile our memories of the previous versions.

The canon isn't an ironclad plot, it is simply the officially published plot that the author has released. Steam isn't early access for SG, so therefore, we assume a finished season. The bad will Ocean would generate by changing season 1 would outweigh most benefits of the time wasted doing it. I won't put it past him, but it's less likely now it's behind him.

As far as grand statements though, changes to characters - Nia, Robin, Kate, Maja, Sasha, Sonja, Jeff, Trey, Zara, Vanessa, Amber, Nadia, Kate ...the vast majority have had no substatial changes to their continuity. Some of that is lack of content, but it is mostly Bella, Nami, Mila, Vic and Nika who have suffered. Bella hasn't changed but been toned down. Her story is essentially the same as it always has been, but it's lost a bit of impact. Nami is the one has suffered the most, and she is the one that is the biggest potential to cause Ocean issues. Mila ...her story hasn't changed at all. But who is Mila, I can't guess day to day what she'll look like. At least now I have a face that's relatively consistent (but not 100% ...lets pretend it's makeup or something). Vic has had the same problem as Mila, it's mostly cosmetics that have changed, but she's more consistent. Ayua, again, cosmetics, like Robin - their stories are still mostly the same, just expanded.

Nika, Nami and Noji are the real ones with the problems, as they have changed between versions in dramatic ways. We've debated how that's changed, and mostly it's because we remember the old versions and hold onto them.

If we talk WiaB, since the reboot - what continuity errors? Again it's our expectations based on the memories of the old versions that make us unhappy with what's in front of us. I've made a decision to try to keep a separation between the old, redundant canon of pre-rework in both games so I can try to see the games as someone who stumbles across it now for the first time. Of course I still reference the old versions about things I hope to see, like Donna and Elena's involvement in WiaB and how they become part of ZPR - because currently none of that material even exists, it's only hints.

Anyway, you've seen me write all this stuff before. It's just that tiresome point when people go, "hey NIka has green eyes and Leia has green eyes! Wow". We ALL know Ocean's on patreon, end of similarity right there.



I think I've addressed this, my hyperbole is about as dramatic as people making connections to abandoned content. I didn't even include a picture of Katie in my ted talk. It's time for more interesting things, like coffee or an update :coffee::whistle:



Edit: Actually, thinking more about the numbers here - of the games you are interested in, as opposed to discounted due to no interest - those 20 that were dropped were dropped because they changed right? The other 561 were just things you decided you didn't like. So of the things that interested you that are in current development, there are 89 threads, you dropped 20 of those due to changes and 15 more are likely to be dropped. 35/89 is roughly 2/5ths. 39% risk of changes that cause you to drop a game (that interests you) because it shifts too far from what attracted you are pretty significant odds. Even if we discount the 20, it's 1 in 5 games that are in development (that you're interested in) that have changes causing you to potentially drop them. Again, that's not insignificant.
Wow! It's been a long time since I've seen such a big wall of text. I understand the original point, proposing that William is the father of the MC of SG based on the asset of the first William resembling the asset of the third MC of SG is stretching the limits of reality too much. For the rest exposed here, well, we all have to agree that the explanations only serve those who want to accept them, and even many who don't accept them still stay here and download the game.
In my particular case, I've always said that to abandon games there has to be a deal breaker, and it doesn't necessarily come from the changes. I abandoned SG because it dangerously approaches spoilers of important things for WIAB, even though I often shared that the old story resonated with me better than this new iteration, but even with the old game, I would have abandoned it at the same point. I abandoned a game because I felt deceived by the relationship with a character that I thought was more of a father-daughter relationship and it turned out to be a LI. I abandoned another game because it takes too long (the irony is total).
In another because they decided to remake an avn as a sandbox... and so hundreds of examples where the deal breaker varies.
And obviously, I've abandoned games because I didn't like them!"
 

BobTheDuck

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I'm also very fussy lol...and getting more so as I get older. This is a great example, were it nor for WIAB, I'd have dropped this a long time ago too ;)
Same - I am fussy, but I download anyway, and bookmark anyway. Most games coming out now are usually at a minimum of where OG WiaB or SG was at, most are better. WiaB and SG just got in before the rush. What OCean has done with the reworks isn't perfect, but moved the bar. I still want to know what happens next, and that's really all that needs to be said, even though I toy with theories while waiting. I also only really engage with these threads because of the people here.

I have three problems with this point:
- Ocean has never been clear about it and instead of telling us outright "I've got the Patreon inquisition so far up my ass, if they spits it's coming out of my mouth." he came up with "artistic decisions".
- He didn't make these changes, the problem arose with the suppression of WiAB from there to the release on Steam could have fixed the relationship between Nami and Nika in Season 1
- The change he wants to make to WiAB could potentially change the very core of the story
1. Of course Ocean can't be outright about patreon. If he said that, they would be so far up his ass he wouldn't be able to talk. "Aha! You admitted it WAS what we suspected! No subs for YOU!" Youay don'tay talkay aboutay theay inquisitionay.
2. The changes haven't had an effect, and we don't know what form the changes will be. So we don't know if it affects the relationship. We still don't know what Ocean intended, or how the change will impact what we haven't had revealled. The WiaB change might not have any affect on Nika and Nami's story. It is only the assumptions we *cherish* without any other evidence other than model and eye colour similarities that make us think we're in on a nudge nudge wink wink moment now. Sure that can change, but at the moment it's an assumption - since season 1 came out, there was no evil modder. But until we know what that changes do in practical terms, it's premature to wonder about the effects downstream. One step at a time.
3. Or it might not. Because in that devlog, Ocean talked about telling the story he wished to tell. Maybe it will be streamlined rather than byzantine.

It just waiting to see what the update brings that is making us eat too much popcorn.

Anyway, happy end of a crazy year, may the new year be kinder to us all :)
 

rudy007

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I have a feeling Ocean scraped many alternative routes with LI's. He simple realized that game will be never finished how he meaned to do it. We will probably get one update of each game this year. I will say the truth; I still looking forward to it!


This year was a difficult year for us who love Ocean's games, but I know it was a difficult for Ocean too. The problem I see with this Patreon situation is similar to many other devs; you rework the game or you stop. What I don't understand devs waited to the last moment and then tried on other sites. It's TWO years since Patreon started to kick developers and barely anybody moved a finger. And when they were kicked out, panic, disbelief... You simply cannot put your finger into ear and sing LA LA LA for two years and hope everything will go away.


I hope Ocean can still fix it, primarily I hope for WIAB, and for SG too, it's WIAB's sequel. Sequel doesn't make sense if WIAB is bad. And fast.

And no more fixing characters and their tits; Vic, Mila, Leia. And any other change what no one asked for; Ayua, Nojiko...
 

LHDLLB

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The problem isn't the continuity of the story, but the continuity of our memories of what we played last. If you can divorce what you remember from what's in front of you, the continuity within the published form of the game really has one glaring issue, that that's the nature of Nika and Nami's past. That's Ocean's biggest omission. But that hasn't made sense from any version of the game. Most of the things that don't make sense (other than the bad writing of cat scratches, impossible timelines and cabin distances) are trying to reconcile our memories of the previous versions.

The canon isn't an ironclad plot, it is simply the officially published plot that the author has released. Steam isn't early access for SG, so therefore, we assume a finished season. The bad will Ocean would generate by changing season 1 would outweigh most benefits of the time wasted doing it. I won't put it past him, but it's less likely now it's behind him.

As far as grand statements though, changes to characters - Nia, Robin, Kate, Maja, Sasha, Sonja, Jeff, Trey, Zara, Vanessa, Amber, Nadia, Kate ...the vast majority have had no substatial changes to their continuity. Some of that is lack of content, but it is mostly Bella, Nami, Mila, Vic and Nika who have suffered. Bella hasn't changed but been toned down. Her story is essentially the same as it always has been, but it's lost a bit of impact. Nami is the one has suffered the most, and she is the one that is the biggest potential to cause Ocean issues. Mila ...her story hasn't changed at all. But who is Mila, I can't guess day to day what she'll look like. At least now I have a face that's relatively consistent (but not 100% ...lets pretend it's makeup or something). Vic has had the same problem as Mila, it's mostly cosmetics that have changed, but she's more consistent. Ayua, again, cosmetics, like Robin - their stories are still mostly the same, just expanded.

Nika, Nami and Noji are the real ones with the problems, as they have changed between versions in dramatic ways. We've debated how that's changed, and mostly it's because we remember the old versions and hold onto them.
I will address just a few points because the discussion about the infinites changes made is tiresome at this point.I agree with you regarding the Cannon and ultimately is a Oceans decision. I don’t think you are wrong but this changes hurts the story and makes it harder to engage with it.Precisely because people grow attached to the first story they experienced. We can try to experienced it as the the others do not exist, but they do, and people will like one or the other more. Ocean changing character, names, relationships turns what should be solid foundation into shaking grounds, and then, I can't get invested into a story if two updates ahead I can't be sure the the story that I like now still will be the story that I like then.


Regarding Nami and Nika and Noji. They definitely had a clear definition up to chapter 3 I think. The problem is Ocean wanting to have his cake and eat it too. Noji is less of a problem but Nami is a torn on his side that I don't know if he can handle it. And it is not a small part of the story, Nami is a huge part of the story.
 
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1. Of course Ocean can't be outright about patreon. If he said that, they would be so far up his ass he wouldn't be able to talk. "Aha! You admitted it WAS what we suspected! No subs for YOU!" Youay don'tay talkay aboutay theay inquisitionay.
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3. Or it might not. Because in that devlog, Ocean talked about telling the story he wished to tell. Maybe it will be streamlined rather than byzantine.
For now we are at Schrödinger's cat stage until chapter 4 comes out
 
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Combined Mod
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I want to play with SG1 original game (without incest and uncensored) with all the cinematics, uncut scenes, and original music. So, I combined,
Walkthrough Mod, Music Restoration Mod, Uncut Mod, and Gallery Unlocker and Cheat (it came from Scrappy).

Note:
It will not work with previously saved files. You may need to restart to enjoy the full game experience.

Change log:
25-Aug-2-24,
Combined all media files
Review and update scripts and dialogs
GUI updates

Installation:
  1. Remove all other mods or Install orginal game without any other mods.
  2. Extract and copy the game folder from this mod
  3. Merge with original game directory. If it's asking to replace, you can replace.
Android:
This mod is working with Android also. Download Android version from this post https://f95zone.to/threads/summers-gone-s1-steam-dlc-oceanlab.29981/post-13709619 and extra the game folder contents into (your device)\Documents\RenPy_Saves\com.koga3.summersgoneseason1\game\.

Download: Pixeldrain
Happy new year everyone and Thank you very very much for combining the mods.
I just wanted to ask which file do I replace or add to include the incest patch and I just wanted to confirm this but I am using this with kogas Android port
So, there's no compatibility issue there right or any tips that I should look out for and this has scrappy's latest wt mod and kogas gallery mod right?
 
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