VN Ren'Py Abandoned Summer's Gone [S1 Steam + DLC] [Oceanlab]

[BobTheDuck]

Haha okay well,

She recognized Nika having seeerious (aka suicide killer) troubles and thinks linking him up with wheelchair girl is this smart glorious play. I think thats rather lame.

Like - im there for you - aka i introduce you to someone else and fuck off. I havent seen her doing a lot for Nika.

I wont mention how i think that out of a avn/story/movie/drama/whatever introducing a guy with the character of nika to a girl with the character of Vic would probably most likely not the best idea lol

Even in this story it can lead (play a part in) Nika becoming overwhelmed. You could argue he needs the shock therapy i guess lol

And didnt Nika meet the guys and Nami (again) before he did meet Mila? Maybe i remember it wrong but it was not like she was the one guiding him around introducing him to everyone, it was more people flocking around nami and nika lol

She has concluded that Nika needs help and told nika how she knew someone who killed themself and blames herself for her being passive just to procced to be ... passive with nika? I mean are introducing him to Vic (who he already knew and who already crushed on Nika) and ... i have to scroll up to find the other point ... oh yeah not pushing when he lies ... really these amazing feats you make them out to be?

Its not like she could not "respect his right to keep to himself" when the only other option is being simply shut down by him lol

Thanks for trying to make her more likeable for me tho Bob

Edit: I skipped the Bella part as i dont really see how that is related? Werent we talking about Mila? I only brought Bella up because of their history where Mila fucked up in ways i really cant stand. I blame her less for being afraid as a kid but i blame her for not taking any accountability for it at first until confronted about it and taking smack about bella despite the backstory.

She did not talked shit about bella because bella behaved shitty or bullied her, it was out of rejection and i REALLY cant stand people behaving like that. She felt entitled to bellas friendship, didnt got it because of her "betrayal" and started talking shit about her, thats just ugh

But this wasnt meant to compare bella and mila. If we start doing that, we can bury Mila already :>

I get that you don't like her, but you've demonised her for the same faults you accept in Bella. That's why I made the comparison. SUre they're different, but Bella's far more antisocial, far more a bitch. It's only that the story forces you to interact whith her that you find out about her trauma. It's pretty lame to like the judgmental attitudes etc. in one character but hate them in another. Basically, you like Bella's model and screen time more than Mila, you're not really looking at her as a character independant the visual aspect and the forced aspect of the narrative.

You're expecting 1st year college students all with different degrees of trauma and shitheadedness to all be logical and make good choices? College AVN's are ALL about the stupid choices, or how to survive the stupid choices. Mila has good intentions, while Bella starts with malicious pranks. And yes, Mila's the first girl (other than Nami, I did mention girl rather than Trey) that takes the time to talk with Nika. I don't count the interaction with Bella as a conversation - Nika was just finding out who the anti-Nami person was.

Also, yes, Mila's actions as a kid were shitty. So were Nika's we can guess, based on the dropped charge, and so were Nami's based on her and Nika's suss deal. Zara's attitudes? Still a bit shitty. Bella's are very shitty, not sure her mental issues would gt her off the hook for her criminal activities. It's a college AVN, they're only barely adult, especially seeing there's no 18+ content - thy might be legal, but they're damn well acting immature

 

[RNasc4444]

Consider how she treats Kate and even Robyn - 'judgemental, bigoted, cowardly' completely describes Bella.

Utterly and completely disagree here. The rest of your post is great as usual but this is 100% bs. Not a single one of those adjectives even remotely apply to Bella in my opinion but they fit Mila like a glove.

Bella is antagonistic. Bella is arrogant, spoiled, mean. But judgemental, bigoted or cowardly? Fuck no! She doesn't even believe half the crap she says. She says it to antagonize people and keep them at bay while making sure they fear her enough to not strike back or cross her. Because she won't go back to tolerating being bullied. In her mind she will do 10x what was done to her. She mocks and belittles as a defense mechanism in my perspective.

Like I've said before, I have respect for both Bella and Vanessa, who are portrayed as awful people at first glance, because I find their facade to be as transparent as can be.

Also fuck Kate! She's a piece of shit! Mean girl type bitch. I'll glady watch Bella beat her ass.

 

[BobTheDuck]

Utterly and completely disagree here. The rest of your post is great as usual but this is 100% bs. Not a single one of those adjectives even remotely apply to Bella in my opinion but they fit Mila like a glove.

Bella is antagonistic. Bella is arrogant, spoiled, mean. But judgemental, bigoted or cowardly? Fuck no! She doesn't even believe half the crap she says. She says it to antagonize people and keep them at bay while making sure they fear her enough to not strike back or cross her. Because she won't go back to tolerating being bullied. In her mind she will do 10x what was done to her. She mocks and belittles as a defense mechanism in my perspective.

Like I've said before, I have respect for both Bella and Vanessa, who are portrayed as awful people at first glance, because I find their facade to be as transparent as can be.

Also fuck Kate! She's a piece of shit! Mean girl type bitch. I'll glady watch Bella beat her ass.

I'll raise your disagreement by 1

Bella is judgmental. How many times does she judge Nika on his looks and lack of wealth? And the same for MIla, but that's a different thing as we discover there is bad blood, but she still judges Mila on her poverty, much like the people she despises. And doesn't she judge the Holgersons without having any real proof of anything? Our whole perspective on Stefan is biased on Bella's judgment. THen the way she talks at the diner, also judging people for ostentatious wealth. And judging NIka over Elsa being out of his league and him staring hopelessly...

Bigoted, well see above. She is bigoted toward poor people, and poor people germs.

Cowardly, well, okay, not so accurate a descriptor, but about as equivalent as it applies to Mila. As Mila was beaten up her whole life, does coward really suit her? In her case it's pavlovian reflex, learned behaviour. Mila also has stood up for people, so coward doesn't fully describe her.

Edit: I focused on that bit and didn't flesh out my reply. 'she will do 10x what was done to her.' This is what most bullies start from. This is why she bullied Nami, sight unseen (how did that even happen?). Both Bella and Vanessa I have trouble with, in that I wouldn't be friends with them in real life, because I'd be switched off by their antics. As characters in an AVN, they stir up a lot of narrative choices, so they're great as antagonists, even if they're not 100% intended as such. Having such polarising characters works wonders for the depth of the story and where it can go. I imagine Adrianna will be similarly feisty.

In the same way, Kate is not meant to be a nice character, and her motives are underhanded. I can't wait to see how Ocean shoehorns her into the drama, much in the same way Vanessa is dangerous - but because of her connections to the Holgersons though, the magnitude of how she can screw Nika up is much higher than anything Kate can do.

It'll be interesting to see how nasty a piece of work Melanie is. I wonder if she'll be hidden in the background somewhere this update - I'm guessing it's too early to actually interact with her this next chapter.

 

[El_Magnifico]

After realizing that things went too far, Mila had the courage to took Bella's defense knowing that would also make her a target. Which was brave considering everybody seemed to be afraid of Melanie. Years later, Bella became herself a second Melanie Cerill bullying a newcomer with no friends like Nami ( easy target ) out of spite but somehow Mila is a coward but Bella isn't ?

 

[RNasc4444]

I'll raise your disagreement by 1

You can't! I've already max disagreed. So suck it!

But it is crazy how we are galaxies apart on this. It's almost surreal to me watching someone glaze people like the Holgersons, Kate, Mila etc while shitting on someone like Bella.

Well, one good thing came out of this. Krytax opened my eyes on Mila. I was blind but now I see. Fuck that seahorse

EDIT: But hey Bob, to further disagree on your Bella vs Mila thing, keep in mind that Mila shows absolute relutance to making peace with Bella while Bella doesn't hesitate to agree to stop mocking Mila at the MC's request. Food for thought...

 

[BobTheDuck]

You can't! I've already max disagreed. So suck it!

But it is crazy how we are galaxies apart on this. It's almost surreal to me watching someone glaze people like the Holgersons, Kate, Mila etc while shitting on someone like Bella.

Well, one good thing came out of this. Krytax opened my eyes on Mila. I was blind but now I see. Fuck that seahorse

EDIT: But hey Bob, to further disagree on your Bella vs Mila thing, keep in mind that Mila shows absolute relutance to making peace with Bella while Bella doesn't hesitate to agree to stop mocking Mila at the MC's request. Food for thought...

I'm not into her, it's just the level of 'she's unforgiveable' while Bella is a criminal and promotes breaking the law to get revenge, and is happy to try and destroy families using strangers (Vanessa).

Actually ...fuck. I just realised. Bella says she doesn't know Vanessa, just some bimbo she's going to befriend right? But she knows Zara. She tells the story of Zara's mom. Oh man, this convo is good just for that realisation. Something is up there, there's a either a continuity error, or something else is going on we're yet to find out about, or Bella is really oblivious. THere's no way she wouldn't recognise Zara's sister, and it seems improbably that she wouldn't have met her.

GOing back to the glazing:

The Holgersons. Zoey's great right? Mario's a douche, but it's the people he's around that are nasty.

d "The people who picked on her... Was it that Mario?"
scene ae1250 with dssb
mi "No. He was actually a nice guy back then. He even defended me and Bella sometimes."

So Zoey still hangs out with her brother, we know that from the rework. Is Zoey now on the side of the evil? We need to know more. Stefan raising charges, that's a thing. But we need to wait to see if he's using it to draw out the real criminals. He's underhanded, yes, but so is Bella and Nika. There's no way you can defend them from breaking and entering, or from planning to break the Holgersons, and using Brenda as collateral.

Kate, well she is nasty. But that doesn't make her bad for the story. Not trying to sugar coat her, she exists because Ocean wants to challenge people following Bella's path. But the way Bella treated her and threatened her shows Bella's not great either. We still have no idea what Kate has done to her. But the reason I don't like Kate is purely because she has an ulterior motive, she's not interested in Nika, just social leverage.

Again, Bella has done a hit and run, the guy flys over the bonnet, that's no tap. She's broken into a house, and stolen, fully intending to steal. She's willing to break up families and use strangers for twisted plots. She's invaded someone's privacy, breaking into their phone. She's doing illegal street racing.

Compare that to Mila, who did get the courage in the end. What is MIla doing that's so criminal? Why does Bella get the free passes? Oh, because she's not a seahorse (and yes, her model is atrocious).

I will totally admit that Bella will do things for Nika. That doesn't mean she's not holding a grudge against Mila, just that she wan't to please Nika now.

I'm not into Mila by the way, I wasn't even before Ocean ruined her model, it's just the comparison is pretty unfair when you look at it logically.

Back to that question, how the hell doesn't Bella recognise Vanessa?????

 

[RNasc4444]

Something is up there, there's a either a continuity error

Continuity error you say? In this Frankestein's monster of a game? Nooooooooooo! Surely not

What is MIla doing that's so criminal?

Annoying me with that "moving into the student house" bullshit every time I see her. Lock her up and throw away the key!

Back to that question, how the hell doesn't Bella recognise Vanessa?????

Na na na! You're not roping me into another one! I have no faith Ocean will recognise or fix any of the other hundreds of "issues" the story has. I'm not adding one more! I refuse!

You do make some good points. Bella is no angel. I should kinda dislike her at least. But for some reason I can't...

 

[BobTheDuck]

Continuity error you say? In this Frankestein's monster of a game? Nooooooooooo! Surely not


Annoying me with that "moving into the student house" bullshit every time I see her. Lock her up and throw away the key!


Na na na! You're not roping me into another one! I have no faith Ocean will recognise or fix any of the other hundreds of "issues" the story has. I'm not adding one more! I refuse!

You do make some good points. Bella is no angel. I should kinda dislike her at least. But for some reason I can't...

Well, it's no cat scratch of a continuity error, but it makes it far more obvious that the mission impossible at Relucia was a big fail. Maybe it's intended that way, and that's why Vanessa is being all sly when she talks to Mila....

See, these points you make are fine:

'Mila is annoying. I just prefer my waifu.' I can't argue with that position. Still hoping for Maja to re-enter, or for Ayua to have a path.

 

[Maccabbee]

I'd rather fuck Ayua's mom, Miru.

 

[Hobocop Harrier du bois]

Actually ...fuck. I just realised. Bella says she doesn't know Vanessa, just some bimbo she's going to befriend right? But she knows Zara. She tells the story of Zara's mom. Oh man, this convo is good just for that realisation. Something is up there, there's a either a continuity error, or something else is going on we're yet to find out about, or Bella is really oblivious. THere's no way she wouldn't recognise Zara's sister, and it seems improbably that she wouldn't have met her.



Back to that question, how the hell doesn't Bella recognise Vanessa?????

Yeah I think it's a continuity error. I mean you could say that a she met them quite a while back and doesn't remember her? But then again, there's not a lot of people walking around with homophobi- i mean heterochromia apart from our willy... So it should be a reminder for her. Tell Vidal to bully ocean and get some answers.

 

[Adhdclassic]

Yeah I think it's a continuity error. I mean you could say that a she met them quite a while back and doesn't remember her? But then again, there's not a lot of people walking around with homophobi- i mean heterochromia apart from our willy... So it should be a reminder for her. Tell Vidal to bully ocean and get some answers.

Thought she met Zara through sports with her mother she never mentioned meeting her sister. Plus her sister knew how her mother was she probably stayed away from her.

 

[Krytax123]

I get that you don't like her, but you've demonised her for the same faults you accept in Bella. That's why I made the comparison. SUre they're different, but Bella's far more antisocial, far more a bitch. It's only that the story forces you to interact whith her that you find out about her trauma. It's pretty lame to like the judgmental attitudes etc. in one character but hate them in another. Basically, you like Bella's model and screen time more than Mila, you're not really looking at her as a character independant the visual aspect and the forced aspect of the narrative.

You're expecting 1st year college students all with different degrees of trauma and shitheadedness to all be logical and make good choices? College AVN's are ALL about the stupid choices, or how to survive the stupid choices. Mila has good intentions, while Bella starts with malicious pranks. And yes, Mila's the first girl (other than Nami, I did mention girl rather than Trey) that takes the time to talk with Nika. I don't count the interaction with Bella as a conversation - Nika was just finding out who the anti-Nami person was.

Also, yes, Mila's actions as a kid were shitty. So were Nika's we can guess, based on the dropped charge, and so were Nami's based on her and Nika's suss deal. Zara's attitudes? Still a bit shitty. Bella's are very shitty, not sure her mental issues would gt her off the hook for her criminal activities. It's a college AVN, they're only barely adult, especially seeing there's no 18+ content - thy might be legal, but they're damn well acting immature

Nah Bella and Mila behavior is contradictory different. While bella is direct (not two faced) Mila is ... cowardly behind your back style. I simply prefer someone who tells me "fuck you i dont like you" direct to my face instead of talking behind my back about how much i suck and how crazy i am.

And as i said, we are not talking about Bella, i just asked a question about whats likeable on Mila, having to revert to "Bella behaves shitty so why cant Mila?" is not a valid answer to that.

We are not talking about i dunno "whos the more normal character nowadays" or whose "less offensive", that would be obviously Mila.

As i said i judge Mila's action as a kid barely its the wanting to be friends with bella afterwards, being rejected and starting to hate on her, im just utterly disgusted by behavior like that.

Most characters in this AVN have some issues, this isnt what was this about either. And your reply to the actual question (What makes Mila likeable) was a bit lackluster wasnt it? Is the only good thing about Mila that you perceive other characters as equally shitty?

 

[Whitecat2]

Yeah I think it's a continuity error. I mean you could say that a she met them quite a while back and doesn't remember her? But then again, there's not a lot of people walking around with homophobi- i mean heterochromia apart from our willy... So it should be a reminder for her. Tell Vidal to bully ocean and get some answers.

There is no continuity error. There is a plot misunderstanding. In fact, the real Bella - Amber's daughter - is the girl who is sleeping. She is the one Amber is worried about, she is the one in danger. She does not have a sister!!! What you think is Bella is not Bella. She knows Vanessa very well and works with her in the Holgerson house. She threw Amber a tantrum not because she is afraid that Holgerson will seduce her. No, it's just that if Amber sees Vanessa, she will understand what is happening and will not allow Vanessa to do her dirty deed.

 

[BobTheDuck]

Thought she met Zara through sports with her mother she never mentioned meeting her sister. Plus her sister knew how her mother was she probably stayed away from her.

Zara is shown as being pretty little, and the implication is that it's been a while since it happened. So Bella knew her from about the age she was bullied by Melanie, as they're the same year in college flashback Zara and flashback Bella are both bibi. Mario was around Mila and Bella at that age from the flashbacks. So Vanessa is only a few years older than Zara, so might have even gone to the same school back then. But she wasn't driving herself places, she also was young. And I'm sure that kids would gossip about the girl with the eyes around Zara and Bella would've hear about Vanessa. Especially as they were on the same football team.

Edit: But as was pointed out to me - I've confused part of it with an older version. Now there's the phone conversation while Nika's at the Benz's place, where before Bella used to talk about going out with a real bimbo. Damn having too many versions floating around in my head

Nah Bella and Mila behavior is contradictory different. While bella is direct (not two faced) Mila is ... cowardly behind your back style. I simply prefer someone who tells me "fuck you i dont like you" direct to my face instead of talking behind my back about how much i suck and how crazy i am.

And as i said, we are not talking about Bella, i just asked a question about whats likeable on Mila, having to revert to "Bella behaves shitty so why cant Mila?" is not a valid answer to that.

We are not talking about i dunno "whos the more normal character nowadays" or whose "less offensive", that would be obviously Mila.

As i said i judge Mila's action as a kid barely its the wanting to be friends with bella afterwards, being rejected and starting to hate on her, im just utterly disgusted by behavior like that.

Most characters in this AVN have some issues, this isnt what was this about either. And your reply to the actual question (What makes Mila likeable) was a bit lackluster wasnt it? Is the only good thing about Mila that you perceive other characters as equally shitty?

I answered your question. You find it lackluster because you claimed the things I listed aren't good enough. Such as Mila showing concern, and offering to listen to him. Dismiss that all you like, but that's actually really cool, even if it's awkward. The comparison of Bella's first interactions with him pulling him down, treating him with disdain is more likeable? I'd totally keep talking to MIla and not deal with Bella if that was my introduction to two people in real life.

And Bella being a criminal, and being okay with Mila taking the blame for it until Nika calls her out on it? What's Bella's big plan to solve the problem she's created for Mila? To own up for breaking and entering to get Mila off the hook for something she didn't do? If you can't see that Bella is a far worse person than Mila, well some criminals aren't two faced either. Some criminals are even charming.

The fact that you like Bella despite her general shittiness and you make excuses for it because of her trauma, while you don't excuse any of Mila's behaviour on her abusive upbringing... well, what's there left to say? You like who you like. I just don't think Mila's that unlikeable over such small things while Bella's done a lot of unlikeable, dangerous and reprehensible things.

 

[Maccabbee]

Zara is shown as being pretty little, and the implication is that it's been a while since it happened. So Bella knew her from about the age she was bullied by Melanie, as they're the same year in college flashback Zara and flashback Bella are both bibi. Mario was around Mila and Bella at that age from the flashbacks. So Vanessa is only a few years older than Zara, so might have even gone to the same school back then. But she wasn't driving herself places, she also was young. And I'm sure that kids would gossip about the girl with the eyes around Zara and Bella would've hear about Vanessa. Especially as they were on the same football team.


I answered your question. You find it lackluster because you claimed the things I listed aren't good enough. Such as Mila showing concern, and offering to listen to him. Dismiss that all you like, but that's actually really cool, even if it's awkward. The comparison of Bella's first interactions with him pulling him down, treating him with disdain is more likeable? I'd totally keep talking to MIla and not deal with Bella if that was my introduction to two people in real life.

And Bella being a criminal, and being okay with Mila taking the blame for it until Nika calls her out on it? What's Bella's big plan to solve the problem she's created for Mila? To own up for breaking and entering to get Mila off the hook for something she didn't do? If you can't see that Bella is a far worse person than Mila, well some criminals aren't two faced either. Some criminals are even charming.

The fact that you like Bella despite her general shittiness and you make excuses for it because of her trauma, while you don't excuse any of Mila's behaviour on her abusive upbringing... well, what's there left to say? You like who you like. I just don't think Mila's that unlikeable over such small things while Bella's done a lot of unlikeable, dangerous and reprehensible things.

I totally agree with that last part, but don't forget that Bella is an actual criminal, with the illegal street racing scene, and would have run over those assholes if they didn't jump out of the way. In fact, she did hit one of them, now that I think about it. She is the one that went beyond vandalism into breaking and entering and grand larceny.

Mila is a normal(ish) human being, and seems empathetic and caring now, despite the childhood bullying which she clearly regrets. She also seems to have at least a little ethics and morals, since she won't date you if you're dating Vic. If you don't think she's hot, that's fine, she still is a really good friend.

 

[faktoena]

been almost one year and there's no update

 

[Krytax123]

I answered your question. You find it lackluster because you claimed the things I listed aren't good enough. Such as Mila showing concern, and offering to listen to him. Dismiss that all you like, but that's actually really cool, even if it's awkward. The comparison of Bella's first interactions with him pulling him down, treating him with disdain is more likeable? I'd totally keep talking to MIla and not deal with Bella if that was my introduction to two people in real life.

And Bella being a criminal, and being okay with Mila taking the blame for it until Nika calls her out on it? What's Bella's big plan to solve the problem she's created for Mila? To own up for breaking and entering to get Mila off the hook for something she didn't do? If you can't see that Bella is a far worse person than Mila, well some criminals aren't two faced either. Some criminals are even charming.

The fact that you like Bella despite her general shittiness and you make excuses for it because of her trauma, while you don't excuse any of Mila's behaviour on her abusive upbringing... well, what's there left to say? You like who you like. I just don't think Mila's that unlikeable over such small things while Bella's done a lot of unlikeable, dangerous and reprehensible things.

Bro, Bob, i really like to discuss with you but whats going on with you and Bella lol

We can discuss bella and her wrongdoings seperatly if you like ? I just dont get why youre writing 80% about bella when its about mila lol

furthermore i did not make any excuses for bella's behavior or mentioned her trauma at all ? Where does that come from? And why is it suddenly about "whos a criminal"? Mila not being a criminal makes her likeable? Thats a point of hers now?

I aknowledged the points you like about Mila and even thanked you for trying to make her more likeable to me, for me (!) these points were not really convincing and felt lackluster but i did not dismiss them or anyone liking her because of that. I mean she literally talked to him because he was the one sitting next to her (and the other guy was .. troy? who she knows already and is .. well troy?).

Gonna be honest, i feel like you having a seperate discussion with someone else about some bella stuff but always only quote me

The only reason i mentioned bella at all was because of their shared backstory. It wasnt about Bella, you could switch bella with person x or lets say troy lol and it would change nothing in my perception of Mila if she would have treated troy the same way afterwards.

 

[Adhdclassic]

Zara is shown as being pretty little, and the implication is that it's been a while since it happened. So Bella knew her from about the age she was bullied by Melanie, as they're the same year in college flashback Zara and flashback Bella are both bibi. Mario was around Mila and Bella at that age from the flashbacks. So Vanessa is only a few years older than Zara, so might have even gone to the same school back then. But she wasn't driving herself places, she also was young. And I'm sure that kids would gossip about the girl with the eyes around Zara and Bella would've hear about Vanessa. Especially as they were on the same football team.

Edit: But as was pointed out to me - I've confused part of it with an older version. Now there's the phone conversation while Nika's at the Benz's place, where before Bella used to talk about going out with a real bimbo. Damn having too many versions floating around in my head



I answered your question. You find it lackluster because you claimed the things I listed aren't good enough. Such as Mila showing concern, and offering to listen to him. Dismiss that all you like, but that's actually really cool, even if it's awkward. The comparison of Bella's first interactions with him pulling him down, treating him with disdain is more likeable? I'd totally keep talking to MIla and not deal with Bella if that was my introduction to two people in real life.

And Bella being a criminal, and being okay with Mila taking the blame for it until Nika calls her out on it? What's Bella's big plan to solve the problem she's created for Mila? To own up for breaking and entering to get Mila off the hook for something she didn't do? If you can't see that Bella is a far worse person than Mila, well some criminals aren't two faced either. Some criminals are even charming.

The fact that you like Bella despite her general shittiness and you make excuses for it because of her trauma, while you don't excuse any of Mila's behaviour on her abusive upbringing... well, what's there left to say? You like who you like. I just don't think Mila's that unlikeable over such small things while Bella's done a lot of unlikeable, dangerous and reprehensible things.

These rewrites and long times from the game fucks with us. Shit to be honest I wrote her sister instead of Vanessa I totally forgot her name.

 

[robrize2169]

it has been so long since a story update on this, i have forgotten most of the story. i guess that the dev is focused on monetizing the old content for steam and is not giving the story update any attention. hence the long time between updates. yeah i know, they are redoing the chapters. if this game wasn't so visually appealing, i would never bother with it even once a new update comes out.

 

[BobTheDuck]

Bro, Bob, i really like to discuss with you but whats going on with you and Bella lol

We can discuss bella and her wrongdoings seperatly if you like ? I just dont get why youre writing 80% about bella when its about mila lol

furthermore i did not make any excuses for bella's behavior or mentioned her trauma at all ? Where does that come from? And why is it suddenly about "whos a criminal"? Mila not being a criminal makes her likeable? Thats a point of hers now?

I aknowledged the points you like about Mila and even thanked you for trying to make her more likeable to me, for me (!) these points were not really convincing and felt lackluster but i did not dismiss them or anyone liking her because of that. I mean she literally talked to him because he was the one sitting next to her (and the other guy was .. troy? who she knows already and is .. well troy?).

Gonna be honest, i feel like you having a seperate discussion with someone else about some bella stuff but always only quote me

The only reason i mentioned bella at all was because of their shared backstory. It wasnt about Bella, you could switch bella with person x or lets say troy lol and it would change nothing in my perception of Mila if she would have treated troy the same way afterwards.

The whole thing with bella and mila entirely failing to take accountability for it until nika pointed it out annoyed me too.

Shes kinda the typical girl who thinks about her own morals so highly and considers herself such a good person while in truth shes rather judgemental, bigoted, cowardly and just doesnt seem all that smart.

The way I read it, is you provided an action you didn't like, and then the conclusion you arrive at, so sorry if they were disconnected. It seemed to me that you were showing proof of why you think Mila is cowardly or self righteous. The way our conversation developed, it seemed like you particularly disliked the way Mila treats Bella. So then, if we ignore Bella, why do you think Mila is cowardly? What makes you feel she is exeptionally more bigoted than say Vanessa with her beliefs about men? I'm really arguing against the double standard you're appearing to judge her by. She's not worse than any of them, and she's tried to be a positive friend, tried to get Nika to open up.

And it's Trey. I'd go as far as saying he's at least more comic relief than anyone but Nami. Probably hotter than the seahorse, even if I'm not inclined to either of those ways.

She did not talked shit about bella because bella behaved shitty or bullied her, it was out of rejection and i REALLY cant stand people behaving like that. She felt entitled to bellas friendship, didnt got it because of her "betrayal" and started talking shit about her, thats just ugh

But this wasnt meant to compare bella and mila. If we start doing that, we can bury Mila already :>

I mean, that last sentence isn't a challenge right? I'd say Bella deserves to be in prison more than Mila does.