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I answered your question. You find it lackluster because you claimed the things I listed aren't good enough. Such as Mila showing concern, and offering to listen to him. Dismiss that all you like, but that's actually really cool, even if it's awkward. The comparison of Bella's first interactions with him pulling him down, treating him with disdain is more likeable? I'd totally keep talking to MIla and not deal with Bella if that was my introduction to two people in real life.

And Bella being a criminal, and being okay with Mila taking the blame for it until Nika calls her out on it? What's Bella's big plan to solve the problem she's created for Mila? To own up for breaking and entering to get Mila off the hook for something she didn't do? If you can't see that Bella is a far worse person than Mila, well some criminals aren't two faced either. Some criminals are even charming.

The fact that you like Bella despite her general shittiness and you make excuses for it because of her trauma, while you don't excuse any of Mila's behaviour on her abusive upbringing... well, what's there left to say? You like who you like. I just don't think Mila's that unlikeable over such small things while Bella's done a lot of unlikeable, dangerous and reprehensible things.
Bro, Bob, i really like to discuss with you but whats going on with you and Bella lol

We can discuss bella and her wrongdoings seperatly if you like ? I just dont get why youre writing 80% about bella when its about mila lol

furthermore i did not make any excuses for bella's behavior or mentioned her trauma at all ? Where does that come from? And why is it suddenly about "whos a criminal"? Mila not being a criminal makes her likeable? Thats a point of hers now?

I aknowledged the points you like about Mila and even thanked you for trying to make her more likeable to me, for me (!) these points were not really convincing and felt lackluster but i did not dismiss them or anyone liking her because of that. I mean she literally talked to him because he was the one sitting next to her (and the other guy was .. troy? who she knows already and is .. well troy?).

Gonna be honest, i feel like you having a seperate discussion with someone else about some bella stuff but always only quote me

The only reason i mentioned bella at all was because of their shared backstory. It wasnt about Bella, you could switch bella with person x or lets say troy lol and it would change nothing in my perception of Mila if she would have treated troy the same way afterwards.
 

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Zara is shown as being pretty little, and the implication is that it's been a while since it happened. So Bella knew her from about the age she was bullied by Melanie, as they're the same year in college flashback Zara and flashback Bella are both bibi. Mario was around Mila and Bella at that age from the flashbacks. So Vanessa is only a few years older than Zara, so might have even gone to the same school back then. But she wasn't driving herself places, she also was young. And I'm sure that kids would gossip about the girl with the eyes around Zara and Bella would've hear about Vanessa. Especially as they were on the same football team.

Edit: But as was pointed out to me - I've confused part of it with an older version. Now there's the phone conversation while Nika's at the Benz's place, where before Bella used to talk about going out with a real bimbo. Damn having too many versions floating around in my head :HideThePain:



I answered your question. You find it lackluster because you claimed the things I listed aren't good enough. Such as Mila showing concern, and offering to listen to him. Dismiss that all you like, but that's actually really cool, even if it's awkward. The comparison of Bella's first interactions with him pulling him down, treating him with disdain is more likeable? I'd totally keep talking to MIla and not deal with Bella if that was my introduction to two people in real life.

And Bella being a criminal, and being okay with Mila taking the blame for it until Nika calls her out on it? What's Bella's big plan to solve the problem she's created for Mila? To own up for breaking and entering to get Mila off the hook for something she didn't do? If you can't see that Bella is a far worse person than Mila, well some criminals aren't two faced either. Some criminals are even charming.

The fact that you like Bella despite her general shittiness and you make excuses for it because of her trauma, while you don't excuse any of Mila's behaviour on her abusive upbringing... well, what's there left to say? You like who you like. I just don't think Mila's that unlikeable over such small things while Bella's done a lot of unlikeable, dangerous and reprehensible things.
These rewrites and long times from the game fucks with us. Shit to be honest I wrote her sister instead of Vanessa I totally forgot her name.
 
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it has been so long since a story update on this, i have forgotten most of the story. i guess that the dev is focused on monetizing the old content for steam and is not giving the story update any attention. hence the long time between updates. yeah i know, they are redoing the chapters. if this game wasn't so visually appealing, i would never bother with it even once a new update comes out.
 

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Bro, Bob, i really like to discuss with you but whats going on with you and Bella lol

We can discuss bella and her wrongdoings seperatly if you like ? I just dont get why youre writing 80% about bella when its about mila lol

furthermore i did not make any excuses for bella's behavior or mentioned her trauma at all ? Where does that come from? And why is it suddenly about "whos a criminal"? Mila not being a criminal makes her likeable? Thats a point of hers now?

I aknowledged the points you like about Mila and even thanked you for trying to make her more likeable to me, for me (!) these points were not really convincing and felt lackluster but i did not dismiss them or anyone liking her because of that. I mean she literally talked to him because he was the one sitting next to her (and the other guy was .. troy? who she knows already and is .. well troy?).

Gonna be honest, i feel like you having a seperate discussion with someone else about some bella stuff but always only quote me

The only reason i mentioned bella at all was because of their shared backstory. It wasnt about Bella, you could switch bella with person x or lets say troy lol and it would change nothing in my perception of Mila if she would have treated troy the same way afterwards.
The whole thing with bella and mila entirely failing to take accountability for it until nika pointed it out annoyed me too.

Shes kinda the typical girl who thinks about her own morals so highly and considers herself such a good person while in truth shes rather judgemental, bigoted, cowardly and just doesnt seem all that smart.
The way I read it, is you provided an action you didn't like, and then the conclusion you arrive at, so sorry if they were disconnected. It seemed to me that you were showing proof of why you think Mila is cowardly or self righteous. The way our conversation developed, it seemed like you particularly disliked the way Mila treats Bella. So then, if we ignore Bella, why do you think Mila is cowardly? What makes you feel she is exeptionally more bigoted than say Vanessa with her beliefs about men? I'm really arguing against the double standard you're appearing to judge her by. She's not worse than any of them, and she's tried to be a positive friend, tried to get Nika to open up.

And it's Trey. I'd go as far as saying he's at least more comic relief than anyone but Nami. Probably hotter than the seahorse, even if I'm not inclined to either of those ways.

She did not talked shit about bella because bella behaved shitty or bullied her, it was out of rejection and i REALLY cant stand people behaving like that. She felt entitled to bellas friendship, didnt got it because of her "betrayal" and started talking shit about her, thats just ugh

But this wasnt meant to compare bella and mila. If we start doing that, we can bury Mila already :>
I mean, that last sentence isn't a challenge right? :coffee::sneaky: I'd say Bella deserves to be in prison more than Mila does.
 

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The way I read it, is you provided an action you didn't like, and then the conclusion you arrive at, so sorry if they were disconnected. It seemed to me that you were showing proof of why you think Mila is cowardly or self righteous. The way our conversation developed, it seemed like you particularly disliked the way Mila treats Bella. So then, if we ignore Bella, why do you think Mila is cowardly? What makes you feel she is exeptionally more bigoted than say Vanessa with her beliefs about men? I'm really arguing against the double standard you're appearing to judge her by. She's not worse than any of them, and she's tried to be a positive friend, tried to get Nika to open up.

And it's Trey. I'd go as far as saying he's at least more comic relief than anyone but Nami. Probably hotter than the seahorse, even if I'm not inclined to either of those ways.
What im talking about is, that yes, she did this to bella but it could have been everyone else in the story or a random noname. Bella's character and behavior doesnt play a role when i judge Mila's behavior in this event. Thats what i meant with it could have been Trey (or whoever). It could have even been a character i hate and i would still dislike this behavior.


Yes i perceive Mila as partially self righteous, with cowardly i was talking about her talking bad about bella behind her back (again could have been anyone else with the same backstory) and that she only did this out of a rejected friendship and nothing else. Talking shit behind someones back for such a reason is cowarldy behavior (imo).

And its less about "proof", im not on a conquest to convince anyone that mila sucks (im honestly kinda neutral about her, i dont mind her as a friend i just dont like her either lol), its just that i strongly dislike this kind of behavior - and by the way i think Mila herself feels shitty about her behavior too which is at least something redeeming. I was just curious what people like about her character.

It would be entirely different if she did this because bella bullied her a lot or did crazy fucked up stuff to her or her friends but she admits that bella kinda did nothing to her other than occasionally calling her poor.

And hey, its okay do dislike bella for her behavior too if thats important for you to aknowledge.

Now youre starting to lose me when you try to compare the bigotry levels of mila and vanessa -which is again trying to make mila less worse with comparing her with other characters with issues which doesnt really make mila more likeable - Vanessa is more like the opposite and a crazy pervert.

And Vanessa is way more gaga than Mila is bigot, i give you that, but how does aknowleding that helps our discussion?

She tries to be a friend even when youre not interested in her is a valid point tho, its just not enough for me to really tip the scales.



I mean, that last sentence isn't a challenge right? :coffee::sneaky: I'd say Bella deserves to be in prison more than Mila does.
Sure, Mila doesnt deserve to be in prison at all. Just because im not fond of her, i dont want her to end up in prison for doing nothing wrong lol.



By the way, my guess about the whole Bella/Mila thing and unrelated to everything above:

I suspect Bella saw in Mila a possible "substitute sister" and her sister was in coma already. Bella was looking for someone else to trust and thought maybe Mila could potentially be it. I think thats why Bella is so bitter and unforgiving towards Mila like she barely aknowledges her existance. It made the betrayal in bella's perception way bigger than in Mila's as they were just little kids.

But i think the trust issues bella mentions ("if trust gets broken once, its over") and her envy/admiration for for Nika/Nami's sibling( :geek: :LOL: ) loyality are partially related to Mila too. It was just a way bigger deal for bella than for mila who kinda just tried to not get bullied for once but than still did the right thing. But for bella it was already too late, trust was already broken and the relationship over.

I feel like a big Bella/Mila reconcilation/team-up is ineviteable lol
 
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First the orgy, then the prison :WeSmart:
The mental gymnastics I just did to create a scenario where my MC would be down for a 3some with Bella and Nia are insane. Here are my findings:

- First, a straight jacket on the MC, something that would keep him from touching or even perceiving the girls' body shape.
- Secondly, a gag on Nia so he doesn't have to listen to her voice and annoying "quirkness".
- Third, a blindfold on the MC so he can't see either of them or their bodies thus allowing him to picture himself fucking let's say Elsa and Maja while also preventing possible reflux.
- Fourth, the strongest male enhancement/performance drugs possibly available.
- Fifth, the most durable condoms ever created and commercially available. Possibly triple wrapped. He ain't taking any chances.
 
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The mental gymnastics I just did to create a scenario where my MC would be down for a 3some with Bella and Nia are insane. Here are my findings:

- First, a straight jacket on the MC, something that would keep him from touching or even perceiving the girls' body shape.
- Secondly, a gag on Nia so he doesn't have to listen to her voice and annoying "quirkness".
- Third, a blindfold on the MC so he can't see either of them or their bodies thus allowing him to picture himself fucking let's say Elsa and Maja while also preventing possible reflux.
- Fourth, the strongest male enhancement/performance drugs possibly available.
- Fifth, the most durable condoms ever created and commercially available. Possibly triple wrapped. He ain't taking any chances.
FYI: double or tripple wrapping condoms makes them more likely to break than a single one due to friction, you seem to want to make sure there are no nia and bella babys around :LOL:
 
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FYI: double or tripple wrapping condoms makes them more likely to break than a single one due to friction, you seem to want to make sure there are no nia and bella babys around :LOL:
This isnt about this comment im just at the bottom of reading this back and forth. But correct me if im wrong, your main issue with Mila outside appearence is her distain towards Bella after stepping up to bullying that she was kinda apart of, then getting rejected by Bella after the fact. As well as talking behind someones back. I can agree that "being two-faced" or talking behinds someone back isnt a good quality and i can agree with you there, although mostly ever character has done it in some shape or form. But, im just going to speculate that Milas distain from Bella isnt just the core of the rejection, because although she has has that petty hatred from Bella from that moment, i assume it just built as Bella transitioned from being bullied to the stone cold bitch she it now, kind of just fueling Milas hate for her everyday without ever really interacting. And I agree if they actually talked it out and probably will theyll squash it. Anyway just my two cents and doesnt really prove shes more likable jsut a theory on why she held onto that for so long.
 
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This isnt about this comment im just at the bottom of reading this back and forth. But correct me if im wrong, your main issue with Mila outside appearence is her distain towards Bella after stepping up to bullying that she was kinda apart of, then getting rejected by Bella after the fact. As well as talking behind someones back. I can agree that "being two-faced" or talking behinds someone back isnt a good quality and i can agree with you there, although mostly ever character has done it in some shape or form. But, im just going to speculate that Milas distain from Bella isnt just the core of the rejection, because although she has has that petty hatred from Bella from that moment, i assume it just built as Bella transitioned from being bullied to the stone cold bitch she it now, kind of just fueling Milas hate for her everyday without ever really interacting. And I agree if they actually talked it out and probably will theyll squash it. Anyway just my two cents and doesnt really prove shes more likable jsut a theory on why she held onto that for so long.
Yeah i agree with a lot. I could even fully understand Mila disliking bella over all of this, even simply about the rejection, thats fine. But this "Shes a sick pyscho, who just wants to hurt other people" blabla while conveniently leaving out your own part and relation to the backstory, painting the worst picture without any need to do so (or out of jealousy already?) ... i just cant stand it.

Fueling Mila's "hate" simply by bella doing her own thing (being a cold hearted bitch lol) entirely unrelated to mila (why would mila give a fuck?) wouldnt be the most likeable trait either tho

Anyway there is no need to "prove" shes likeable, she can simply be likeable for people without reason or for whatever reasons, i was merely curious what exactly people like about her other than her looks, this wasnt meant as a big discussion as why anyone should be "allowed" to like her or whatever (y)
 

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Now youre starting to lose me when you try to compare the bigotry levels of mila and vanessa -which is again trying to make mila less worse with comparing her with other characters with issues which doesnt really make mila more likeable - Vanessa is more like the opposite and a crazy pervert.

And Vanessa is way more gaga than Mila is bigot, i give you that, but how does aknowleding that helps our discussion?
Ah, it's no big one, it's just that if we're going to call Mila bigoted (in what way?) there's characters exhibiting far more bigotry. Vanessa has a systematic and unreasonable prejudice against men. Bella has a continuous desire to mock people for poverty. Stahl? What WASN'T he bigoted about ...oh, right that was befor the rework too my bad.

It's no big deal, it simply feels like you're overhyping Mila's negatives, simply because you don't like her character. No one in the gam is a saint except Vic and Sonya ...and maybe even then, Sonya's only acting innocent to avoid notice, like she does at home (nah I think she's transparently nice, but Ocean will hit us with some kind of trauma about her).

By the way, my guess about the whole Bella/Mila thing and unrelated to everything above:

I suspect Bella saw in Mila a possible "substitute sister" and her sister was in coma already. Bella was looking for someone else to trust and thought maybe Mila could potentially be it. I think thats why Bella is so bitter and unforgiving towards Mila like she barely aknowledges her existance. It made the betrayal in bella's perception way bigger than in Mila's as they were just little kids.

But i think the trust issues bella mentions ("if trust gets broken once, its over") and her envy/admiration for for Nika/Nami's sibling( :geek: :LOL: ) loyality are partially related to Mila too. It was just a way bigger deal for bella than for mila who kinda just tried to not get bullied for once but than still did the right thing. But for bella is was already too late, trust was already broken and the relationship over.

I feel like a big Bella/Mila reconcilation/team-up is ineviteable lol
Yes, given the anime inspiration, the whole team will assemble at some point. That's at least something we can guess. Nika's already pinned that little sister option for Vic though. It's be interesting to see how Ocean's themes of healing play out for all the different characters - If you're not on their path, will they get better, find closure solve their drama indepedently of Nika? Will the whole possedo this? We kind of see with Sonya that some of her issues will be dealt with by affirmation, but I'm sure ther are path specific revals and actions that will show more detail - so I guess I'm wondering, if you're not on someone's path, will they sort their own shit out anyway?
 

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Bro, Bob, i really like to discuss with you but whats going on with you and Bella lol

We can discuss bella and her wrongdoings seperatly if you like ? I just dont get why youre writing 80% about bella when its about mila lol

furthermore i did not make any excuses for bella's behavior or mentioned her trauma at all ? Where does that come from? And why is it suddenly about "whos a criminal"? Mila not being a criminal makes her likeable? Thats a point of hers now?

I aknowledged the points you like about Mila and even thanked you for trying to make her more likeable to me, for me (!) these points were not really convincing and felt lackluster but i did not dismiss them or anyone liking her because of that. I mean she literally talked to him because he was the one sitting next to her (and the other guy was .. troy? who she knows already and is .. well troy?).

Gonna be honest, i feel like you having a seperate discussion with someone else about some bella stuff but always only quote me

The only reason i mentioned bella at all was because of their shared backstory. It wasnt about Bella, you could switch bella with person x or lets say troy lol and it would change nothing in my perception of Mila if she would have treated troy the same way afterwards.
Bob was just hanging out in the off-topic thread for too long and got a disease called lupus morkus, which is when you hate Bella for existing. However, it is easily cured with a new update. :Kappa:
 

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Ocean decided to do around a 7000 render update and I believe he said all of S1 was around 12000. So he way over did and and there is the smallest amount of optimisum after this he goes back to around 2000 ish render updates shortening the time. But we'll see.
but at what 12000 renders is story progress and the other is bullshit and a bunch of pretty pics? it doesn't matter if it's 12000 or 2000 if there is almost no story progress then it's all for nothing, we waitng for nothing and how much of S1 was pretty renders and or story and about how much of the story progress was there ? can we say that all of 7000 renders in S2 chap 1 is story progress or just like S1 and we are talking about 1 chapter in more than a year of waitng other devs do whole seasons in a year just thought you sould know.:p:whistle::coffee:;)
 
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