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Holy shit, you fucking murdered him dudeBecause COBD has less content to work with. The cast of SG dwarves the cast of COBD. The amount of Love Interests alone outnumbers the entire cast of COBD. COBD is not only set in another genre(hence its story being structured much differently), but its story had established a different pace right out of the gate. It's much more straightforward, much less dramatically structured, and has much fewer subplots(one can probably count on one hand how many subplots it has). You cannot compare the actual plots of them both due to such a difference in genre. COBD, a futuristic sci-fi/noir-esque story involving an ex-mercenary... was set up to move at a faster pace from its introduction. Whereas Summer's Gone is more of a college-themed story with heavy-drama elements. I've already told you in my previous post what Summer's Gone was about... quite different from mega-corporations battling over an experimental superhuman. I mean one involves heavy amounts of mystery(not saying that COBD doesn't either, SG is just much more centered around it), while the other involves near-constant life-or-death situations involving the main characters. The stakes are much higher in COBD(I mean multiple main characters have died already). Seems rather odd to compare such a story to one where the MC's biggest concern is sports-related.
It's not a good plot point, it's the main plot point. It's what the main story is centered around. Knowing literally nothing about it is a part of its charm. It being a mystery is sort of the point, hence why many are so fascinated by it. We are given information in doses as I said before. You not paying enough attention to notice them, does not mean that they're not there. We know that something traumatic occurred in that forest years ago. We also know that whatever occurred, involved police officers. Furthermore, there's the fact that MC had to go to the hospital due to whatever happened. Following this, we're told point-blank that she disappeared. Almost directly following this, we come across Elsa(Summer's cousin and someone from MC's past). This latest chapter poured some attention into the main plot in more ways than one. Considering all of this information, I'd argue that we know enough - per our point within the story. Enough to keep the audience interested and engaged, along with still maintaining that level of mystery that drew in so many people. MC's internal plot thrown in on top of that serves to create a wonderfully unique story. Thankfully, this post was only your opinion. Unless of course, you're trying to argue a fact?
Thankfully, most of your views here are subjective. Because in all my time here, you are the very first person that I came across, with these views(and I've argued with many people regarding Summer's Gone). To each their own.
It's unique as compared to many games in its medium(Adult Visual Novels in general). Even amongst erotic literature(whether that be simple erotica or other... more adventurous avenues), Summer's Gone is new and unique. Though I am curious about what other sites exist out there, that can make most games on this site appear as, in your words, "dogshit". Where, oh where, are the AVNs that can overshadow games like Summer's Gone, BADIK, COBD, Artemis, etc.? I am a writer, so I do enjoy analyzing and learning from such stories
Darling, I can list off half-a-dozen best-selling novels within the last year or so with all the elements of COBD and more. Do you not understand just how popular sci-fi and noir are for writers? Summer's Gone, on the other hand, is something fresh, something new, something creative. Summer's Gone is the kind of project many writers wish that they were capable of forming. I'm still searching The Young Adult sections in my local library(as well as digitally), for a novel that I can properly compare it to. But so far, nothing.
Time was actually brought up many times throughout this update. But I can actually see this as valid criticism(to an extent). Though how you structured it has left me wondering if we played the same game...
I understand this actually. COBD has arguably the best atmosphere(and setting) of all AVNs on this site right now. So I get where you're coming from. Summer's Gone still has some ways to go when it comes to managing its setting, that much I agree with. Everything else? Nope(most of this post was just plain wrong, but it's your opinion so that can't really be argued).
Edit: To anyone that's managed to read through all of this... I'm sorry lol
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Guys pipe down lol
I understand your brains are very big but you are overanalyzing this way way too much
It's not Dostoevsky, it's an anime style storyline with extremely corny dialogue and almost stock characters, of course there's going to be inconsistencies and unrealistic stuff
I understand your brains are very big but you are overanalyzing this way way too much
It's not Dostoevsky, it's an anime style storyline with extremely corny dialogue and almost stock characters, of course there's going to be inconsistencies and unrealistic stuff
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Yeah i know what you mean
My problem with this game is,that i can fully imagine beeing the MC ...
Summer's Gone is (Leap of Faith is a close one too,cuz i know how it is being like Cece) one (if not the only one) of the most touching VN's here @ F95 ...
Cuz i can easily feel like the MC...
So being someone like me,it's a double edged sword playing this game...
Cuz of being bipolar + ultra ultra rapid cycles,my mood changes sometimes from "all over the place" to "being depressed/cry hard without even noticing" in an instant
BUT i LOVE this game too much to don't play it
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It's definitely not my cup of tea and it doesn't bother me in the farthes way, but some people here were always wondering who or what the trans character was. Well, he/she/it first appeared in CH4.
Happy hunting!
Happy hunting!
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so in chapter 4 we had
- few female side cast in the locker
- that guy and the girl that came to MC and Nadia in library (one timer i guess)
- that girl in the library .......... you never know
- oh there was one more guy in the locker the janitor
- Nick cheating wife
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Probably Kateso in chapter 4 we had
- few female side cast in the locker
- that guy and the girl that came to MC and Nadia in library (one timer i guess)
- that girl
- oh there was one more guy in the locker the janitor
- Nick
I believe this game has been very well written so far. I have enjoyed playing it more than any other game on this site. I can't wait for the next update. Does anyone know when an update is expected?
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I agree. When I found this game I was going through some stuff, and it astonished me that someone could write a character so realistic in its portrayal, that it felt like I was reliving my own life all over again. I've experienced the need to push people away, the desperate urge you feel to distance yourself. I've experienced the hatred of socialization, and the tiredness that goes along with it. It goes deep to your bone. It would be interesting to know how Ocean came to understand that sort of feeling. No one could describe it unless they experienced it, but I understand how personal that can be.Love your post
And there are also some people here who can fully understand MC's behavior...
Maaany are seeing him as a whimp,creep and "you name it" ,buuuut he is not...
Like i said some days ago,im dealing with mania-depression + ultra rapid cycles +bipolar since 15+ years and the MC is really well written,i'm acting like MC often,not to hurt people on purpose...It's more like protecting myself from them and also protecting them from me...
MC saying to Bella "we would destroy eachother" is not just a saying,it's reality and needs really big balls to admit and is also a brave move cuz MC could easily be in a relationship with Bella...
But he knows better cuz both would only hurt eachother...
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Probably one of the side girls in the alternate intro
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Isn't he still reworking WiAB,and working on it after finishing SG ch.4 ?
Or is Ocean doing them simultaneously ?
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Well... I didn't make it very far. I never do with this game, and I'm not even sure why.
One thing that's out of place is this: After Amber tells Bella they're invited to their neighbors' party/gala thing, the conversation shifts to said neighbors, and Bella says stuff she has no way to know unless MC talked to her about it. Like how he wants revenge on What's-his-face and something about "not showing up", which makes no sense if no such plans were made.
Heck, as far as I'm concerned, him wanting revenge on Mila's behalf doesn't feel very natural either. If the player takes an uncaring attitude towards the whole event -- which the game almost seems to let you do, and I kinda took it that way -- the whole bonding with Bella thing is based on a foundation that seems to just come out of nowhere.
One thing that's out of place is this: After Amber tells Bella they're invited to their neighbors' party/gala thing, the conversation shifts to said neighbors, and Bella says stuff she has no way to know unless MC talked to her about it. Like how he wants revenge on What's-his-face and something about "not showing up", which makes no sense if no such plans were made.
Heck, as far as I'm concerned, him wanting revenge on Mila's behalf doesn't feel very natural either. If the player takes an uncaring attitude towards the whole event -- which the game almost seems to let you do, and I kinda took it that way -- the whole bonding with Bella thing is based on a foundation that seems to just come out of nowhere.
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Considering that there was an update just recently it's gonna be a while before the next one, I think Ocean said he was aiming to get the next one out this year at least.
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But that's the thing, the narrative is not moving slowly. For a visual novel that's meant to be near 30 chapters, it's moving at an optimal pace. We've literally just exited the introduction. What exactly were you expecting?
Actually it's 5 of 30+ updates( future half chapters included)... do you see where I'm coming from? Do you seriously think that, with that amount of content, the main plot won't be expanded on? You not being able to create believable theories right now, means that Oceans is doing a good job. He doesn't want the main plot focused too heavily at the moment. There is still ample time to delve into Summer's disappearance. You're acting as if all mystery novels must share the same format and pacing. Mystery is one of its central themes, but Summer's Gone is much more than that.
For one, it's through the Nojiko and Nick subplot that we learned:
- That Zara and Vanessa are Nick's daughters and are both potential family members
- Nick lives in the same area as Bella
- Vanessa possibly played Bella for a fool
- Vanessa is somehow connected to the woman(forgot her name) that gave Nami her earring
- Nick may become a future father figure for MC
I see.
So what does this mean? I'm referring to the underlined portions obviously. In regards to the rest of your comment, were you expecting erotica-level writing when you came here? Lol. When I first came, my expectations were super low, because of how I initially perceived this website. But some of the relationships in these Adult Visual Novels can really give the relationships in top erotica novels a run for their money. Though I can probably count on one hand how many AVNs can actually do that. There is some truth in your comment that the writing doesn't have to be all that special to be considered good... but the writing here in Summer's Gone is actually good irrespective of the terrible writing consistently displayed in most other games on this site.
No worries lol. COBD is one of the best novels on this site, that we can both agree on.
No, I totally get it. The beautiful thing about art is that every artist creates their pieces in their own unique ways(every good artist anyway). Writing and storytelling are art forms. Oceanlabs is no idiot, far from it. In fact, he's one of the most intelligent developers I've personally met on this site. From what we've seen so far, he really doesn't seem the kind of writer to do things without reason. I get your frustration, but I personally believe that Oceans knows what he's doing. My reply here was 100% subjective, so you can totally skip it.
Objectively, it's not moving slowly at all. That's... really it lol.
Pacing is a problem everywhere when viewed through subjective lenses. In order to measure such a thing objectively, we must compare the story of interest to one that has performed correctly within said field. There is no such story on this site. Oceanlabs is the first to develop something like this, and this is currently one of his first games(or perhaps the first game). He has nothing to compare to, outside of erotica and YA novels. Considering these things, I think he's doing a decent job as far as pacing goes. It's not perfect, but it's not bad either(far from it). Like my American friends would say, cut him some slack.
Edit: I really like talking to you lol... and wow this post is long
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It's not mine either but in French we have a very similar word, antagoniste. If you knew about my Turkish you would be scared
Lucky you, you have the Mevlevi, I wish we had the equivalent here.