Has the date with Mila happened? I am on the Bella path mostly, so I don't know if I missed it because of my choices?
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Have you even played the last version till the end? Readed and understand the conversations?
To awnser your question, even on the Bella path you went to the Dinner at Nics house, after this MC and Nami went to the Victorya/Mila date via bus.
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Not yet. But next is the sleepover with Nami at Victoria's and Mila is there too. If I am not mistaken.
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Patreon and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race
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He is reworking BOTH his ongoing games and both got a single update this year and the plot hasn't moved at all. Any sensible person would realize that its time to compromise and restructure the script/scope to more manageable sizes and not plan to over extend even more.
Hell, common sense would say put a game on hold until you can finish one, but he is stuck between a rock and a hard place, because of the backlash/lost patreons if he would do that. Don't even give me the bs with 'its because it helps with burnout'. What are you 10yo?! You know what would help with burnout? Taking the day off, instead of working on the 2nd game, but those are the sweet little lies he has to tell to appease the fetish babies.
Research a bit and tell me what you see all the big players in the genre have in common? Spoiler: its a finish product before moving to the next game, proving that they are professional and reliable. But as long as people run around whiteknighting for even the most idiotic ideas, by all means, Ocean should carry on cashing in, I am sure his universe will be finished in my grandchildren's lifespan.
I bet you people think that all big creators just lucked into their success and the fact that they delivered mostly on schedule, regular updates is just a big coincidence and working on 20 games at the same time and 'dreaming big' is the future of the business
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Right you are. He's reworking both games and providing players with far better experiences while at it. Created them when he was new to AVNs and painfully inexperienced, got experience, acquired skills, and used said skills to improve his product and everyone loves his product because of it. The plot's moved forward every single update, so in regards to that, either you weren't paying attention or you did not care much for the story to begin with. Not because the plot isn't being addressed in big bold letters does it mean that it isn't being expanded on. Ocean's using a very common writing technique when formulating a story with many interconnecting subplots. The plot has progressed at a fine rate given the projected length of this project. A little observation would go a long way for other players with this problem.
I'm actually in favor of putting one game on hold. Summer's Gone would be released every 2-3 months(estimating) and the story would be much further along(to the joy of its fans). However, do not try to frame Oceans negatively with this viewpoint. I'm in favor of putting WIAB on hold to focus on SG, but what can any of us do about it aside from A) Leaving the community in order to find something worthy of our attention or B) Joining the community and supporting the game in a way that's comfortable for us in order to achieve a favorable outcome? You're saying nothing that hasn't already been said here a million times before. I get where you're coming from, but framing Oceanlabs in such a negative light will not do anything. Do you think Oceans or his supporters(the SG community in this case) will be more willing to listen to you if you do?
We all get that. Nothing that hasn't already been brought up before. From a business standpoint, it's the most sensible route to take. Oceanlabs, however, is more focused on the artistic aspect of these novels(in regards to creating and publishing their stories). As a writer myself, I empathize with him. Putting WIAB on hold can cause all sorts of problems creatively, but sacrifices must be made to achieve success(personally, I'd suggest writing down all relevant ideas, dialogue, etc. but I know next to nothing about developing an AVN so I cannot really give any creative advice there). It's all up to him at the end of the day. Nothing any of us can do aside from either leaving in frustration or staying in support. Staying and spreading negativity is not the way to go, and this is for everyone that holds such thoughts.
Nope. Creatively, Ocean's only competition are BaD, COBD, and ORS. Eternum, Artemis and KG if we're including every AVN on F95. Business-wise(everything having to do with the support of the overall product)? Most of these devs blow him out of the water in that aspect. However, he's working on it. He's improving. He sees and acknowledges the flaws in this setup and is working hard to find ways to make up for them. It's not like he's sitting on his butt and soaking up the little funds he's receiving from patreon just because. But the way your post is set up, you'd think that's exactly what he was doing. Anyway, you have three options now that you have all this information. You can:I bet you people think that all big creators just lucked into their success and the fact that they delivered mostly on schedule, regular updates is just a big coincidence and working on 20 games at the same time and 'dreaming big' is the future of the business
- Leave the SG forum to find something worth your time and attention
- Join the SG community and support Oceans... at least somewhat respectfully
- Stay and aggressively criticize the development process and the developer's thought process
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The Same as in many other Threads too. Because of the Heat many Trolls staying at Home and have nothing better todo or they came Back from Outdoors where the Sun cooked there Brain a little to much.
I have a rather skeptical attitude towards Ocean, despite the fact that I like its games.
He's great as an artist, his perfectionism commands respect, but I think he's a new version of Icstor.
He recently announced that he plans to release 5 games across the universe Summer is gone. And here we turn on the math: Chapter 1 Summer is gone - a year. He plans 30 chapters for this game Even if he releases two updates a year, there will be 13 years left before the game ends! And he's still planning 5 games.
And that's why the game is starting to remind me more and more of Star Citizen. The summer is gone, it will never be finished, this project was created to pull money from the patrons (he himself constantly complains that he lacks the power of iron and blah blah blah. Who else besides him is whining like that? He just begs for money from patrons to upgrade hardware, for utility bills )
Everyone understands that this will go on forever, we will never see the end. It's just a classic infobusiness. He trades in expectation, and gives us small demo chapters.
He's great as an artist, his perfectionism commands respect, but I think he's a new version of Icstor.
He recently announced that he plans to release 5 games across the universe Summer is gone
. And here we turn on the math: Chapter 1 Summer is gone - a year. He plans 30 chapters for this game Even if he releases two updates a year, there will be 13 years left before the game ends! And he's still planning 5 games.And that's why the game is starting to remind me more and more of Star Citizen.
The summer is gone, it will never be finished, this project was created to pull money from the patrons (he himself constantly complains that he lacks the power of iron and blah blah blah. Who else besides him is whining like that? He just begs for money from patrons to upgrade hardware, for utility bills )Everyone understands that this will go on forever, we will never see the end. It's just a classic infobusiness. He trades in expectation, and gives us small demo chapters.
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uhh... why are we talking about Discord comments from two years ago?
1. it's been two years. shit changes
2. 30 chapters, five games, huge scenes with lots of characters. I see all that as something that would happen in a perfect world where Daz doesn't choke on big scenes, you don't have to sculpt boobs manually to imitate gravity, dForce doesn't explode clothes, you have enough hardware and don't have to deal with RL bullshit like having to eat, sleep or pay bills. when you start and have no idea what issues you will run into, it's easy to overpromise because it all seems doable in a couple of years and no one would follow you if you say "this game will take somewhere between 1 and 15 years to do it the way I want"
1. it's been two years. shit changes
2. 30 chapters, five games, huge scenes with lots of characters. I see all that as something that would happen in a perfect world where Daz doesn't choke on big scenes, you don't have to sculpt boobs manually to imitate gravity, dForce doesn't explode clothes, you have enough hardware and don't have to deal with RL bullshit like having to eat, sleep or pay bills. when you start and have no idea what issues you will run into, it's easy to overpromise because it all seems doable in a couple of years and no one would follow you if you say "this game will take somewhere between 1 and 15 years to do it the way I want"
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I won't replay to the rest as this was already done and 1. it is something of a personal view thing, be sceptic all you want and 2. I am kind of tired to always have to repeat the same sermon again and again, but... sorry this is BS.... and gives us small demo chapters.
The last update was definately not a "small demo chapter", even if many didn't embrace the RPG evening part, which was about 1/3 of the update.
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... And even then it will be better than 90% of the boring soulless plastic porn simulators here that are pretending to be a VN's.
It's even funny for me to comment on it. The dude says that he will switch to a blender. If you've worked in a blender, you know that unlike DAZ, it doesn't have such a large library of assets and it will create almost everything manually. Blender is a full-fledged 3D program, it is designed for modeling, sculpting, texturing, mounting and so on. I do not know how he will work in a blender, but knowing him, he will definitely not create loly poly models, he will swing at mid poly models and then... Guys, it will take several hours to create one mid poly model according to the drawings. And now imagine that the whole game consists of such models.
It's very funny to me. Blender is another trick from Ocean to pull money from you for doing nothing.
I hope he doesn't force you to pay for his utilities so that he just gives 10 minutes of content.
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It's even funny for me to comment on it. The dude says that he will switch to a blender. If you've worked in a blender, you know that unlike DAZ, it doesn't have such a large library of assets and it will create almost everything manually. Blender is a full-fledged 3D program, it is designed for modeling, sculpting, texturing, mounting and so on. I do not know how he will work in a blender, but knowing him, he will definitely not create loly poly models, he will swing at mid poly models and then... Guys, it will take several hours to create one mid poly model according to the drawings. And now imagine that the whole game consists of such models.
It's very funny to me. Blender is another trick from Ocean to pull money from you for doing nothing.
If only there was some ... I don't know.... tool to convert DAZ to Blender
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It could save Ocean from the excruciating horrible torture you suggest.
Such a shame nothing like that exists
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This doesn't really fit with... Guys, it will take several hours to create one mid poly model according to the drawings. And now imagine that the whole game consists of such models.
... Blender is another trick from Ocean to pull money from you for doing nothing.
So what is it? Ocean doing nothing. Ocean taking hours to create on mid poly model? Something in between?
Just don't tell me that it takes a few minutes to create a mid poly model by UV. First you model (well, how you model, you pull up the vertexs along the sweep, you do all sorts of banal operations like extrude there), you do UV mapping, then you do baking and texturing in substance painter. Of course, if you have been doing 3D graphics in a blender for a long time, you may spend about half an hour on one model, but Ocean has never worked in a blender.
This tool does not work well.
If only there was some ... I don't know.... tool to convert DAZ to Blender
You must be registered to see the links
It could save Ocean from the excruciating horrible torture you suggest.
Such a shame nothing like that exists
I mean unless Ocean changes his plan of 5 games, I find it hard to see how all games will be finished within reasonable time, considering SG and WIAB are nowhere near completion, especially WIAB which has just undergone a rework. I admire Ocean for having one of the finest looking VN out there, but the progress has really been underwhelming and I don't know how long he will be able to continue this, considering his latest posts mentioned rising costs of living which is putting a strain on his resources and finance. Maybe things will get better with better hardware, but I think he will use it for better graphics which may not change the rate of progress much. I still think he should have delayed the rework of WIAB until at least SG season 1 was finished
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Icstor blatantly lied and lead his fandom on for over a year, even managing to acquire an abandoned tag in the process. Oceanlabs never lied, and almost(emphasis here in case someone quotes me) always follows through on his promises. Oceanlabs is also very transparent if you take a look at his Patreon. You must have really liked Summer's Gone if you were frustrated enough to make such an absurd comparison lol
Flawed math when you take into consideration the variables. There are many things that go into forming the development period. A lot of areas contribute to it in some way, shape, or form, but all are subject to change. To put it simply, there isn't a set development period. Looking at it from a business standpoint, all he needs to do is to make it to Chapter 5, release it on Steam, and then profits would increase substantially. But that's a whole other conversation. The point is that the development cycle hasn't been set yet. Things are constantly changing in that regard, so it'd be foolish to assume that the update period would stay the same.He recently announced that he plans to release 5 games across the universe Summer is gone
Have you ever made an AVN? You're speaking like a veteran developer lol. Have you ever rendered anything comparable to what we've seen in SG(please do post if you have)? He's the developer. Of course he'd outline what's needed for progress. I hate to break it to you, but when 95% of your funds are going towards your project, there's not really much left behind for you to take. Have you ever been a patron or are you purposefully making ignorant statements? Let me explain to you how Patreon works. He has something called "goals" on Patreon displaying the number of patrons(and in essence - support) that would allow him to attain assets that serve to decrease the difficulty and length of development. I understand your frustration. Really, I do, but don't try to frame him as someone delivering lies in the hopes of stealing a few dollars. That whole section of your post was super ignorant(and dumb in my opinion). Really, context is everything. I don't understand why some people voluntarily make themselves look foolish. It's better to be silent and assumed a fool instead of speaking and confirming yourself a fool.And that's why the game is starting to remind me more and more of Star Citizen.
Those people, like yourself, are free to explore the thousands of other games within F95. No one's holding a gun to your head and forcing you to put up with anything. You made that decision yourself. You played the game, loved it, then found out that the development cycle(that's constantly fluctuating) was not to your satisfaction. So what did you do? Attacked its developer. Has that ever worked for you? Btw, I think a lot of people would be interested in hearing of the AVNs with larger updates. I know of 2, maybe 3 AVNs, but you've made it sound like there are so many lol. I'm genuinely curious about them. If you'd name them, that'd be greatly appreciatedღEveryone understands that this will go on forever, we will never see the end. It's just a classic infobusiness. He trades in expectation, and gives us small demo chapters.
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OMG, what do I see? For me,this is even more exciting than seeing an update, although there is still a long way off from actually seeing this. I am filled with anticipation now.
