VN Ren'Py Summer's Gone [S1 Steam + DLC] [Oceanlab]

[Defenestrator.for.traitor]

if you know what I mean...

tbh, I don't what you mean by that?

 

[John972]

tbh, I don't what you mean by that?

In relation to MC/Nami, it's a taboo subject and 'frowned' upon by Patreon. It's a way-out-there theory, but not outside the realms of possibility.

 

[Donettes]

Age thing quite possible I think. Also now I think about it, dating thing was gradual process not a sudden thing maybe it had an effect on it. Though, Nami is an impulsive individual I can see she could do that.

Yes, but it's one thing to be impulsive and another to act out of spite. Because Nami may be spontaneous as she is, but she would never do something that would end up hurting him, and if she did it would be after a series of unexpected and out of control consequences. Just imagine the scenario of Nami going out with Sai as a tit for tat to the MC dating Bella. Impossible, right?

About the age thing, also replying to

I will agree that I don't think it fits Nami's personality, but most girls I knew well in school had started losing their virginity in the early/mid-teen range. In fact, I can only think of a couple who didn't.

losing virginity at that age (13-14, thanks John972 for the timeline) it's not that weird, but not in that context, like some type of revenge/rebound sex (more so if it really is their first time).

We know that Nami did something in relation to the MC either around the time of the incidents of sometime after Summer's disappearance. The MC/Nami have a pact to hide what it was and the MC didn't tell Amber about it.[/ISPOILER]

I know this is out there, but don't take the MC's and Nami's currently stated virginity as canonical, if you know what I mean...

And yeah, it would be a very Nami thing to do something sexual to him in a sort of last resort vs Summer or trying to comfort him after her disappearance. I highly doubt that's the secret they both keep but as you said it wouldn't be far fetched either.

 

[John972]

And yeah, it would be a very Nami thing to do something sexual to him in a sort of last resort vs Summer or trying to comfort him after her disappearance. I highly doubt that's the secret they both keep but as you said it wouldn't be far fetched either.

Yeah, they're just fan theories. Besides, even if, say, Ocean had originally planned (and I am not saying he did) such a thing, it doesn't mean it survived the reworks.

A dark Nami option would be: she orchestrated a sexual experience with the MC that Summer discovered. Where else would the MC get his idea to destroy the Holgersons by orchestrating an infidelity? His own experience.... As I said, 'just fan theories/musings and I don't take it seriously.

All we really know on this matter is:

- Something happened between Nami and the MC at an unspecified time. The MC states Nami is partly responsible for the way he is and what happened is the reason for his lack of impulse control (I can't quite fathom what impulse control the MC lacks, unless it's his propensity for fighting). MC/Nami made a deal "a long time ago" to bury the incident.
-MC accuses Nami that all she does (now) is an overcompensation to make up for what happened.
-Nami tells MC she would never be "like that" again.
-MC says he lied to Amber during his sessions by altering details he told her (this could be about Summer or about the MC "protecting" Nami at High School).
-MC says he needs to tell Amber (breaking the MC/Nami deal), to come clean with himself. Nami tells him not to come to a "weird conclusion" because of it.

It's all very cryptic, obviously. Hence why it's easy to wildly speculate.... Perhaps it's something as simple as... Nami deliberately flirting with boys at High School to make the MC jealous. This being my No. 1 pet theory on the matter.

 

[Don Sucio]

Yeah, they're just fan theories. Besides, even if, say, Ocean had originally planned (and I am not saying he did) such a thing, it doesn't mean it survived the reworks.

A dark Nami option would be: she orchestrated a sexual experience with the MC that Summer discovered. Where else would the MC get his idea to destroy the Holgersons by orchestrating an infidelity? His own experience.... As I said, 'just fan theories/musings and I don't take it seriously.

All we really know on this matter is:

- Something happened between Nami and the MC at an unspecified time. The MC states Nami is partly responsible for the way he is and what happened is the reason for his lack of impulse control (I can't quite fathom what impulse control the MC lacks, unless it's his propensity for fighting). MC/Nami made a deal "a long time ago" to bury the incident.
-MC accuses Nami that all she does (now) is an overcompensation to make up for what happened.
-Nami tells MC she would never be "like that" again.
-MC says he lied to Amber during his sessions by altering details he told her (this could be about Summer or about the MC "protecting" Nami at High School).
-MC says he needs to tell Amber (breaking the MC/Nami deal), to come clean with himself. Nami tells him not to come to a "weird conclusion" because of it.

It's all very cryptic, obviously. Hence why it's easy to wildly speculate.... Perhaps it's something as simple as... Nami deliberately flirting with boys at High School to make the MC jealous.

Maybe i´m a little paranoic but i think Nami has something to do with the disappearance of Summer, i know she is very sweet and special, i love her character but idk, maybe she do something to Summer for jealousy? Of course MC don´t know about this.

Of course my idea hasn´t got any evidences and it can´t be taken seriously.

 

[Abhai]

Has Ocean ever said anything about potential pregnancy content in the future?

Lovely idea

When you speak to yourself (in the mirror, either virtual or not)

 

[John972]

Maybe i´m a little paranoic but i think Nami has something to do with the disappearance of Summer, i know she is very sweet and special, i love her character but idk, maybe she do something to Summer for jealousy? Of course MC don´t know about this.

Of course my idea hasn´t got any evidences and it can´t be taken seriously.

Yeah, I don't know for sure, but how many of the key plot points have changed since the beginning. Ocean has stated he originally conceived some really, really dark things for the story, but has since decided to ditch these elements. Of course, only Ocean knows precisely what he was referring to.

I don't know if Summer "disappeared" in the usual sense of the word, or if she simply exited the MC and Nami's lives. The MC has stated that Summer's parents resented him and told him he was "shit" to his face. According to Elsa in the MC's Elsa flashback, Summer's auntie (Elsa's mother) expressed a similar disapproval of the MC and Summer's relationship - all it seems like the MC was beneath the social class of Summer's family. I am not sure how the MC could remain so traumatized but on good terms with Nami, if Nami had something to do with Summer's disappearance. However, I find it fun to speculate on potential darker theories

 

[Orgitas]

I don't think Ocean even knows if something will be obtainable in the future. Not sure he even knows the ending yet. Still, we shall wait and see.

 

[Don Sucio]

Yeah, I don't know for sure, but how many of the key plot points have changed since the beginning. Ocean has stated he originally conceived some really, really dark things for the story, but has since decided to ditch these elements. Of course, only Ocean knows precisely what he was referring to.

I don't know if Summer "disappeared" in the usual sense of the word, or if she simply exited the MC and Nami's lives. The MC has stated that Summer's parents resented him and told him he was "shit" to his face. According to Elsa in the MC's Elsa flashback, Summer's auntie (Elsa's mother) expressed a similar disapproval of the MC and Summer's relationship - all it seems like the MC was beneath the social class of Summer's family. I am not sure how the MC could remain so traumatized but on good terms with Nami, if Nami had something to do with Summer's disappearance. However, I find it fun to speculate on potential darker theories

Dark theories is the funniest thing around here , but you are right, Ocean has changed the game so much, we can´t know right know which way will take the game. In my theory MC don´t know nothing about the implication of Nami, that explain the good relationship between them.

 

[John972]

Dark theories is the funniest thing around here , but you are right, Ocean has changed the game so much, we can´t know right know which way will take the game. In my theory MC don´t know nothing about the implication of Nami, that explain the good relationship between them.

You could be right... there's no reason to believe the MC necessarily knows why Summer "disappeared."

Here's another wild theory for shits & giggles...

- Nami is a photographer.

- Nami mentions a naked photograph of Summer to the MC (she then says Summer's VJ "looked ugly." MC replies he never saw Summer's VJ, so I assume he never saw the photo).

-Speculation based on these two snippets: Nami took naked photo(s) of Summer and put them on the net/distributed them/or they were found by Summer's parents, outraging them etc etc.

 

[Cabin Fever]

I don't think Ocean even knows if something will be obtainable in the future. Not sure he even knows the ending yet. Still, we shall wait and see.

Any half decent writer would know the ending to their story before committing to doing it. At least the broad strokes of the ending.

 

[Orgitas]

Any half decent writer would know the ending to their story before committing to doing it. At least the broad strokes of the ending.

Yeeeah Ocean went into this project not knowing the ending. Part of the reason why a couple of the characters, including the MC, had a radical personality shift between chapters. Part of the reason why they went back and re-wrote a lot of things.

 

[Don Sucio]

You could be right... there's no reason to believe the MC necessarily knows why Summer "disappeared."

Here's another wild theory for shits & giggles...

- Nami is a photographer.

- Nami mentions a naked photograph of Summer to the MC (she then says Summer's VJ "looked ugly." MC replies he never saw Summer's VJ, so I assume he never saw the photo).

-Speculation based on these two snippets: Nami took naked photo(s) of Summer and put them on the net/distributed them/or they were found by Summer's parents, outraging them etc etc.

That could be too, are you saying that maybe Summer´s parent and she of course left the country or something for that? Like blackmail from Nami or something?

 

[Old Man Al]

That could be too, are you saying that maybe Summer´s parent and she of course left the country or something for that? Like blackmail from Nami or something?

I very much doubt that.

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[Cabin Fever]

Yeeeah Ocean went into this project not knowing the ending. Part of the reason why a couple of the characters, including the MC, had a radical personality shift between chapters. Part of the reason why they went back and re-wrote a lot of things.

I vaguely recall it's the exact opposite as Ocean has stated before his plans for the 5 games in this universe and where he wants to go with the plot and endings.

As for the inconsistencies you've mentioned, it's a sign of an inexperienced writer, not a sign of the writer having no clue where the plot and ending is going.

 

[John972]

I vaguely recall it's the exact opposite as Ocean has stated before his plans for the 5 games in this universe and where he wants to go with the plot and endings.

As for the inconsistencies you've mentioned, it's a sign of an inexperienced writer, not a sign of the writer having no clue where the plot and ending is going.

'Agree. Changing the characteristics of the MC and abandoning darker themes mid-stream isn't a sign that Ocean doesn't know the "broad strokes" because, quite frankly, they're just minutiae.

 

[codex35]

That could be too, are you saying that maybe Summer´s parent and she of course left the country or something for that? Like blackmail from Nami or something?

then what about MC's hospital scene flashback ?

 

[Jordanskene01]

then what about MC's hospital scene flashback ?

Possibly a Suicide Attempt but if I remember correctly a collapsed lung is mentioned and it was his arm bleeding hmmm hang on maybe he sliced his arm and shot himself to make extra sure he died but it just didn't work out.

 

[John972]

Possibly a Suicide Attempt but if I remember correctly a collapsed lung is mentioned and it was his arm bleeding hmmm hang on maybe he sliced his arm and shot himself to make extra sure he died but it just didn't work out.

then what about MC's hospital scene flashback ?

That's the funny thing; there's three big events, but we don't know how they're related or if they happened within a short period of time:

- Summer/MC at the Cabin before being picked up by Officer Jane Larverne.
- MC seeing Summer one last time.
- MC at Aqualia Hospital with a collapsed lung and blood/a laceration on his forearm. The so-called "violent incident."

 

[Defenestrator.for.traitor]

All we really know on this matter is:

- Something happened between Nami and the MC at an unspecified time. The MC states Nami is partly responsible for the way he is and what happened is the reason for his lack of impulse control (I can't quite fathom what impulse control the MC lacks, unless it's his propensity for fighting). MC/Nami made a deal "a long time ago" to bury the incident.
-MC accuses Nami that all she does (now) is an overcompensation to make up for what happened.
-Nami tells MC she would never be "like that" again.
-MC says he lied to Amber during his sessions by altering details he told her (this could be about Summer or about the MC "protecting" Nami at High School).
-MC says he needs to tell Amber (breaking the MC/Nami deal), to come clean with himself. Nami tells him not to come to a "weird conclusion" because of it.

It's all very cryptic, obviously. Hence why it's easy to wildly speculate.... Perhaps it's something as simple as... Nami deliberately flirting with boys at High School to make the MC jealous. This being my No. 1 pet theory on the matter.

I genuinely think dark theme of the game comes from that specific event and I also believe it is related to what happened to Summer. I think Nami somehow forced MC to choose between Summer and her.