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Buddy you gotta stop letting these braindead apes get to you. If you spend enough time here you will, sadly, start remembering the names of the barely functional dimwits with whom you can't possibly have an adult discussion with.
Yes the MC and Nami are siblings. At the very least half siblings. In the other game William, Leia and Katie are also siblings. This is undeniable. The games and the entire dialogue presented so far would make even less sense than it already does if they weren't blood related. To change that it would require a complete overhaul of the script. This topic has been discussed to death. Let it go.
I will say though, this is Ocean we're talking about so be prepared for anything. There is absolutely no consistency whatsoever to his work. So far, and to name a few, you have:
- reworks galore
- gave up any sex scenes in season 1 to appease Steam and make the game more broad and mainstream (which lead to the absurd insertion of lewd shots in the most random scenarios to compensate for that)
- characters changing body shapes and sizes from render to render (literally)
- every single female character getting bigger and thicker with each new update
Can't wait for what comes next. I got a longshot bet on one of the characters we already know, possibly being trans. That shit would be hilarious.
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To get back to the avn discussion:
I mean Adrianna is probably Ayua's sister and Miru's daughter too (she looks way more like Miru than Ayua) and it makes sense that she was in the same volley? basketball? team with William and Katie.
But Sasha being included in this scene makes only sense if her mother Elena Petrova was part of the team and did got "backshots" from willy too or am i missing something? In this case im pretty sure Willy is her father too
I mean Adrianna is probably Ayua's sister and Miru's daughter too (she looks way more like Miru than Ayua) and it makes sense that she was in the same volley? basketball? team with William and Katie.
But Sasha being included in this scene makes only sense if her mother Elena Petrova was part of the team and did got "backshots" from willy too or am i missing something? In this case im pretty sure Willy is her father too
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For this one I'd say they're just embarrassed for the drunk jealous woman screaming about backshots ...I mean, I'd be looking around the room anywhere other than at the ranting woman. I'm sure most people have a relative that gets into these kinds of inappropriate conversations around christmas time using too much wine
Sasha pretty much tries to avoid direct eye contact whenever she feels awkward, Adrianna I'm not placing anywhere yet, she's a wildcard - too detailed/unique a character not to have some role.
Haha i know what youre talking about in general but ..For this one I'd say they're just embarrassed for the drunk jealous woman screaming about backshots ...I mean, I'd be looking around the room anywhere other than at the ranting woman. I'm sure most people have a relative that gets into these kinds of inappropriate conversations around christmas time using too much wine
Sasha pretty much tries to avoid direct eye contact whenever she feels awkward, Adrianna I'm not placing anywhere yet, she's a wildcard - too detailed/unique a character not to have some role.
I dunno .. a few minutes earlier adrianna is talking with nami and other women about the gigantic tits of religious girls, talking about sasha seducing married man by soley existing, about turning sasha into a breeding machine for religion .. and nobody shares any akward glances during that.
I dont feel this comment from Jenna stands out in a context like that and sasha and adrianna being shown in the render afterwards and looking/feeling awkward if they arent related at all to whats been talked about doesnt make a lot of sense in this case but i could of course be wrong.
Im at least sowewhat sure that both Adrianna (she really is miru's spitting image) and Sasha know william and his former teammates.
It wasnt even mentioned that sasha looked awkward when they talked about breeding her and adrianna seemed to VERY open-minded earlier. But yeah, we will see
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Regarding what you've said, I've just put out a LOT of far fetched options, just to see what can stick. Keeping in mind that Emilio has changed from being pretty serious to being super chilled, who knows what events in WiaB (that we're yet to see) cause some characters to become bitter, and some characters to redeem themselves? One of my current favourite theories is Katarine is Zara and Vanessa's mum. Look at Kat vs Vanessa. Also, Kat's a tennis freak who wants to go pro - she might never make it because of Scarlet, so she might try to force Zara to become the best to live vicariously through her. But the only reason to think that Vanessa's mum is related to the Zane's is the heterochromia. Maybe there's chemicals in the water
From WiAB:
Are we sure Vanessa got her eyes from her mom? methinks it might be 'the chemicals in the water' (aka Will's willy)
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Sasha's an odd one (my current favourite though, other than Robin). She has the composure of an elite guarded person, has grace and poise, but reads escapism style romances, and is really awkward around affection, physical contact etc. I'd say she has quite a lonely home.Haha i know what youre talking about in general but ..
I dunno .. a few minutes earlier adrianna is talking with nami and other women about the gigantic tits of religious girls, talking about sasha seducing married man by soley existing, about turning sasha into a breeding machine for religion .. and nobody shares any akward glances during that.
I dont feel this comment from Jenna stands out in a context like that and sasha and adrianna being shown in the render afterwards and looking/feeling awkward if they arent related at all to whats been talked about doesnt make a lot of sense in this case but i could of course be wrong.
Im at least sowewhat sure that both Adrianna (she really is miru's spitting image) and Sasha know william and his former teammates.
It wasnt even mentioned that sasha looked akward when they talked about breeding her and adrianna seemed to VERY open-minded earlier. But yeah, we will see
Even in the discussion at the book club, she goes from defending the conversation and being legitimate to scoffing at the idea it is sexual later with Robin, so there is some. inconsistency, like with Nika mentioning Nami only watches porn and no one other than Nami notices, no awkward looks, while Nami bursts out about Susan writing a book about dildos? I mean, if you have authors like that an a porn actress in attendance, chances are nothing's going to be off limits. Maybe that's why Charlie is so uptight?
The big takeaways from the book club for me were obviously Katie (and the general Zane spoilers, but also Jenna's mentioning "maybe Noji did the right thing after all" while talking with Nika; Emilia, (I'm wondering if she's a reinvented Emilie from pre rework WiaB - after the camping trip and Willi, she goes into porn?) and the awareness that Noji does rub shoulders with the elite families. Most of the rest I'm thinking of as character building.
The age gap between Adrianna and Katie would make it only an informal game - it'd be rare to play a tournament style game with sucha wide age gap, around 18 years difference if Adrianna is Ayua' sister and a similar age.
100% that Sasha knows William and Katie, that's a given as a Petrova. We knned more info for Adrianna though.
The other thing that occurs to me is that Ocean might actually be formulating some character and threads that he can use for the other plots he has in his head so that when SG is actually at the end of its marathon, he has material for the next instalment of the universe already in place.
Vanessa and Zara believe Nick is her dad from what I recall, I'm currently going with the unknown mum who created drama as being the Zane-y related character. As Vanessa's the eldest, if she was proof of him being cucked, there would likely be no Zara. Vanessa was pre the rift.From WiAB:
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Are we sure Vanessa got her eyes from her mom? methinks it might be 'the chemicals in the water' (aka Will's willy)
Which makes me ask Ocean (I know he's not here) - please don't cuck Nick at all. He already had enough from his ex. Having normal non-vomit worthy male figures with no dramas actually helps the sense of escapism from a world where 90% of men have dramas and their sons want to kill them. Please keep the fantasy of wholesomeness alive.
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Are we sure Vanessa got her eyes from her mom? methinks it might be 'the chemicals in the water' (aka Will's willy)
A lot depends on how much consideration Ocean has put into character eye colour as potential plot clues/easter eggs. The heterochromia and the distinctive Zane family eye colour of (best estimation) of Green with Yellow-Brown spots or simply Hazel/Yellow (shared Dylan, Leia, and William (half of one eye)) are obviously important to the story. Beyond that, maybe reading too much into everyone's eye colour is akin to reading tea leaves (and about as useful).
Three characters have heterochromia in WIAB/SG: 1. William, 2. Vanessa, and 3. Aziz (I believe, although we haven't seen his eyes yet).
William has (best estimate) one Blue eye and one half Blue-half Hazel/Yellow eye. Helen has Gray or, at best, Blue-Gray eyes. Dylan has Hazel/Yellow eyes.
Vanessa has (best estimate) one Light Blue Eye and one Brown eye (Ew! 'sounds gross!). Zara's are Blue. while Nick's are Hazel/Light Brown. PS - Katarina has Dark Blue eyes (referenced because of the Katrina mother theory)
Aziz has not revealed his eyes from behind sunglasses.
In WIAB, there's the Hazel/Yellow Zane family eye colour trait, shared by Dylan, Leia, and William (half of one eye) (Katie Zane's eyes are Blue). In SG, Nika (the MC) has the same Hazel/Yellow eyes. By coincidence, Amber and Bella Von Halen have a similar Hazel/Yellow colour.
All I can take away from all this is that Nika (the MC) is probably a Zane.
After playing the WIAB update, two other points stood out - Katie Zane's mannerisms and facial expressions are SO similar to Bella in SG, even though they are not even remotely related. Mila's new hairstyle in Ch 5 (parted down the middle), makes her look uncomfortably like Katrina from WIAB, even although they're not related.
I think that may depend if Nick makes an appearance in WIAB down the track. Ocean has potentially already set up alpha male/love stallion William Zane to cuck "normal non-vomit worthy male figures" (Monica's husband, Dana's boyfriend) in WIAB.
As an aside, I recall that a very early version of SG had a Trans content option. I kinda wonder which SG female Ocean had in mind to sport a dong between their legs.
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I went back and looked - you're right about Kat's eyes - in my defense, most of the time her face is unlit when she's indoors, and they look brown to me. There is one scene at the farm where they are definitely blue though, so well spotted!
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Most seem to think Katarina or Leia is Vannesa and Zara's mother. But what about this girl who drove William home?
It's funny that no one has mentioned her so far.
It's funny that no one has mentioned her so far.
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This is why it's important to read.
I mentioned in the post that it is recommended to wait for the final version and I have removed the apk for now due to multiple ingame inconsistencies and code issues.
Yeah i agree, leave this guy in peace, he had a shitty wife, let him keep his daughters lol
Really, its rare when mature males in an avn are just a "generic" friendly and good guy and Nika could really need a dependable male figure in his life for some advice.
I liked how Nick talked with Nika while they had to leave their home because of the rodent infestation, he was attentive and realised that Nika struggled and tried to make Nika feel better in a friendly and well-meaning way.
And i feel like Nojiko deserves a happy and serious relationship with a cool guy, i guess its her first since she took Nika and Nami in.
Yeah, Donna's an interesting possibility.
In the WIAB, at least, her last name was Rivera - as in Zane-Petrova-Rivera (ZPR). I assume her surname will remain the same in the rework. There's a Rivera family member playing in one of the ZPR basketball teams. They've been mentioned in SG. We just haven't met them yet (at least as a known Rivera).
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You know, yesterday I wrote in WiAB thread that it seems to me that WiAB's main characters are mimicking SG's main characters. Miru is mimicking Nami and William is mimicking Nika. I agree with you in comparing Katie and Bella.
The problem is that SG's main characters are teenagers, while WiAB main characters are adults.
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The girl who drove Willi home is Donna Revera - the R family in ZPR, she gives her name as Jessy to Dylan, but is identified as Donna by Katie. In the original she tried to seduce Willi, then towards the end of the original sequence, came to give Willi and Abigail info about Warden Harbour. How much of that remains true is unknown. I thought she was Donna from the first scene in Stefan's as she was kinda stalking in the original too. We know that the Revera is someone on the first team - we'd know if Nick had married a Revera I think.
Edit: I should just get used to the fact John972 is a faster typer than I am
And Nick/Zara/Vanessa's family name is Benz I think, not that it prevents any chances of breeding. I just don't think Willi can be Vanessa's father despite the heterochromia.
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I'm not sure about Vannesa. I think she knows that Nick is not her father.
She asks Nami about Leia's earrings and at least in one episode she wears snake jewelry. The snake thing could be nothing, but it could also point to William and Leia.
So I suspect that either Vannesa's mother is really Leia and she's just copying her style. Or Vannesa's father is William, she knows him personally and he introduced her to Leia. Maybe Leia became her mentor or something.
I also liked Vannesa comment to Nika. That they don't share the same social circle. It could be nothing or it could be a foreshadowing that Nika eventually enter her social circle (Zanes). First it's Vannesa, then Katie, then who knows who else.
Or this but Vannesa knows him and Leia.
Personally, I still hope she's Zane. I was convinced that Vannesa is Leia and William's daughter. I liked that idea. So when I saw this Donna, I was very upset.
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At some point, if Willi gets Leia pregnant, then one potential solution is to hide it with a marriage of convenience. Or in fact for Leia to have had a marriage of convenience just to hide any shenanigans. I'm not ruling it out, but Vanessa would have to be at least his ex wife's daughter, and Zara is definitely his ex wife's daughter with Nick. They guy would be a saint to raise two girls that weren't his, and would probably let his ex wife take them... but I guess what we see is that he is exactly that kinda guy.
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I guess their mom is a Daimler.
Vanessa, bro, Vanessa.
Anyway, I'm just wondering why so many people aren't remarking the fact that Sasha asks Nami about her - their - earring and Ayua immediately stops her (and Sasha gets angry with Ayua).
I just cant see Leia behaving like that at all (marriage of convenience), like not AT ALL. I think she would rather just own it and dont give a fuck, give the child up for adoption or abort it.
Shes just way too proud and strong for anything like that imo. And while i dont think that Vanessa is Leia's daughter, i still think she had some kind of influence on her and Vanessa (with her wieird strong women/weak men worldview) started to copy her style seeing her as some kind of role model.
And i think its somewhat reasonable to assume that Leia played the bigger part in establishing the Zane name at least when its about wealth compared to Willy. Shes just not the kind of woman who marrys someone for fake reasons imo.