VN Ren'Py Abandoned Summer's Gone [S1 Steam + DLC] [Oceanlab]

[Don Sucio]

You've been around enough to know what's going on. Everyone gets upset when their fetishised subjects don't get the attention they believe is necessary. If you are able to wait until the full season then you can do a whole intergrated play through without wondering which renders will be replaced and which things are continuity errors vs not finished. To be honest 5 was far more emotive than the tabletop game. There's also a couple of moments I would say are high points of the the first season for me. I think also, the last part of the rework will finally lay to rest the old render mismatches (we'll just have Ocean's fluctuating cupsizes from here, no more ghoul grins).

Best thing is that you'll have it as a seamless whole, so you can judge it on it's own merits. At least 57.3% of the negativity (not an accurately rounded number*) is people complaining about what's missing. I'm going to do a full play through just to remind myself of all the details. Even if there's not a huge lot left for me to find out for season 1, I'm still excited for the full version. Playing the full thing, I probably won't notice or care what's missing. The dangers of getting things before they're complete, ...is you get them incomplete.

*The other xy.z% of complaints are due to the lack of dick pics. Facts

Yes, i don´t doubt about Ocean´s talent , i know the story is excellent and the renders are uniques, but the news about the songs licenses problems and all the changes in the jacuzzi scene and all of that make me to be a little worried. Of course this is only a feeling becouse i haven´t played the new chapter so

 

[Maviarab]

Of course this is only a feeling becouse i haven´t played the game so

Don...really? I iz dissapoint son...

 

[John972]

The thing more disappointing than those "Haters" is your response its one thing to respond to them at all but to completely disregard their whole point and thinking you solved something is outrageous some of them raise valid points about the game's development and some people including myself just cut support after 6 months because there was so little content to put my arm around now i did make a post here about the development issue does that make me a bad person? no its the opposite being concerned about this series and how its being handled is important to me and i come here to express it in the most respectful way possible some people might degrade the series in question those are the "Haters" you probably are talking about and guess what you can find them in pretty much every big title this industry has published but the problem here is those haters are most of the time completely random people that played the game for 30 mins hated something in it and then come to diss on the creators but here its a specific problem many people talk about it that being patrons or non patrons some out of concern for the series and some with ill intentions you cant escape the latter no matter what and if alot of people have the same problem and are expressing it here then you should know the problem is real and can lead to lasting problems in the future if not fixed.

I can certainly understand newbies trying the game for the first time, not liking it, and leaving a comment (providing it's not "dissing on the creators").

Then there are those that played it before, know the score, download the update, then complain about the same old things (long update cycle, absence of sex scenes, but excluding recent discussion on removal of lewds in Ch 5 Beta. The disappointment there is understandable as is the rationale for the removal being done). It's not like caveat emptor hasn't clearly been in force for the last couple of years.

I expect most people generally agree about the long update cycle and absence of sex scenes. Some people accept it, some people don't. Nothing we rehash here over and over on those subjects is going to change the game development.

As for (my definition of) "Haters," I've only noticed a limited few on this thread - users who seem to have a pathological need to periodically diss a game they clearly haven't enjoyed for years.

 

[Don Sucio]

Don...really? I iz dissapoint son...

I´m talking about the chapter 5, i´m waiting for the full

 

[ShaggyDave76]

Just to clarify, I'm not 'Hating' on Summer's Gone. I honestly think it's one of the best AVNs out there. I was only expressing my disappointment in Chapter 5 beta. Up to this point, everything has been spot on.
I'm not overly keen on the synergy between SG and WiaB, though.
I have no interest in playing WiaB so will most likely miss any spoilers or characters connected between the games, which kind of spoils things tbh; knowing that people or conversations in WiaB might reveal secrets or something vital to the overall plot that isn't specifically mentioned in Summer's Gone.

 

[Maviarab]

I´m talking about the chapter 5, i´m waiting for the full

Damn...don't do that to me, thought you meant all of it lol. Also waiting for full 5 before going through update

 

[Don Sucio]

Damn...don't do that to me, thought you meant all of it lol. Also waiting for full 5 before going through update

I know, sorry!!! I didn't notice i wrote "game" , i wanted to say "the new chapter"

I have edited the comment to evite misunderstanding

 

[BobTheDuck]

Yes, i don´t doubt about Ocean´s talent , i know the story is excellent and the renders are uniques, but the news about the songs licenses problems and all the changes in the jacuzzi scene and all of that make me to be a little worried. Of course this is only a feeling becouse i haven´t played the game so

Well, WiaB basically starts with lewds, so I think Ocean will let Nika grow up at a belieavble pace. Let's face it, no one buying it on steam will believe for a second that SG will remain SFW, and will be clamouring for faster development.

Just to clarify, I'm not 'Hating' on Summer's Gone. I honestly think it's one of the best AVNs out there. I was only expressing my disappointment in Chapter 5 beta. Up to this point, everything has been spot on.
I'm not overly keen on the synergy between SG and WiaB, though.
I have no interest in playing WiaB so will most likely miss any spoilers or characters connected between the games, which kind of spoils things tbh; knowing that people or conversations in WiaB might reveal secrets or something vital to the overall plot that isn't specifically mentioned in Summer's Gone.

The whole overall rationale of Ocean's games is that they all occupy the same world, so everything is really one big story. It's incredibly ambitious. The Star Wars reference I made has a parallel here as well. Not knowing what happened in the phantom menace in no way spoil empire strikes back. Mad rabid fans, like me, will enjoy the whole lot, but ultimately the plot isn't about the dynasties of Wollust - that a subtext. The plot is about Nika, and I doubt Ocean will make it impossible to play or enjoy without knowing all the trivia.

I once read a sci-fi series starting at book two because the library lost book one. It was actually cooler without book one, the mystery was intense, but the plot was still understandable..

 

[John972]

Am I honestly the only person that was really disappointed with the Chapter 5 Update??
I thought 4.5 had a decent amount of content, AND some storyline choices with everyone's favourite ginger Waifu!
Chapter 5 felt rushed, even though Ocean had a whole YEAR to come up with something longer than around 20 minutes of play time with little action.
Heck, even the recent Being a DIK episode had around an hour and a half of play time, and a really good side-story.
Don't get me wrong, I LOVE Summer's Gone, I was even a Patreon, but this update was a deal-breaker for me.
I've just turned 47. If Ocean carries on at this rate, I'm going to be 80 by the time Summer's Gone is finished!!!

Well, I'd gladly meet up with you in the old folks home if and when SG The Final Chapter drops (provided I'm still alive). Alas, I fear by then I will no longer understand what an SG is, and would need someone to read the story loudly to me while I dribble down my bed pillow.

 

[Daandas]

BaDIK episode 10 1.5 hours? Did you skip everything?

 

[BobTheDuck]

Well, I'd gladly meet up with you in the old folks home if and when SG The Final Chapter drops (provided I'm still alive). Alas, I fear by then I will no longer understand what an SG is, and would need someone to read the story loudly to me while I dribble down my bed pillow.

I'll be ripe as well I'll even pretend my dribbling is caused by excitment, rather than just a normal daily occurance at that point.

The only saving grace is technology ages far more quickly than I do.

 

[John972]

I'll be ripe as well I'll even pretend my dribbling is caused by excitment, rather than just a normal daily occurance at that point.

The only saving grace is technology ages far more quickly than I do.

Well, it's the old story of it being it is what it is. I honestly prefer SG at it's current pace and standard, even if I never see anything approaching its conclusion, rather than a rushed, half-arsed, but completed AVN.

 

[BobTheDuck]

Well, it's the old story of it being it is what it is. I honestly prefer SG at it's current pace and standard, even if I never see anything approaching its conclusion, rather than a rushed, half-arsed, but completed AVN.

100% agreed. My comment about technology is that Ocean won't ever buy a slower computer with a worse version of Daz than he has now, and Ocean won't make as many boob sculpt mistakes in the future as he does now - future Ocean willl just have own that he really wanted everything supersized ...or learned from his lessons I'd rather it is done right, but just looking at the time saving from one software update, well, how much faster do computers get? In my work, what I'm doing now with software was unthinkable as a student. In my work, 4 years ago, the computer was my ceiling. The computer I have now waits for me to make decisions more often than not - I'm now the weak link, and productivity is much better. Technology isn't a magic wand, but it does keep getting faster at crunching numbers.

 

[Krytax123]

I think SG would be more shallow without Wiab, its a big part of the mystery. Playing both avns sometimes feels like watching "Lost" as a teenager.

I dont see it as two seperate avns and even less as two storys. Its one big story, from SG-perspective Wiab is just a huge flashback exploring exactly what the title describes.

Ocean is really good at world- and characterbuilding and development (maybe the best in the genre) and obviously renders and atmosphere and it shows.

A former poster critizied (too) many open plots and not enough answers but thats kinda a part i like about it, not everything is drawn out and i think we (unfortunaly haha) have to wait a loooooooooooooong time for some conclusions.

I would be very surprised if Nika and Nami's origin is uncovered before chapter 20, i could even see something like Ocean throwing in a red herring like introducing a Mr. or Mrs. Cyrus in wiab just to reveal later that they were fakeparents and Nika and Nami are indeed willy & leia's kids (sorry i dont want to open another discussion about this, just a thought lol).

We just have to hope ocean has it better planned than the "Lost" creators or the worst offender i watched in more recent times was the tv-series "Blacklist" regarding mysterys and reveals.

 

[yossa999]

I think SG would be more shallow without Wiab, its a big part of the mystery. Playing both avns sometimes feels like watching "Lost" as a teenager.

I dont see it as two seperate avns and even less as two storys. Its one big story, from SG-perspective Wiab is just a huge flashback exploring exactly what the title describes.

Ocean is really good at world- and characterbuilding and development (maybe the best in the genre) and obviously renders and atmosphere and it shows.

A former poster critizied (too) many open plots and not enough answers but thats kinda a part i like about it, not everything is drawn out and i think we (unfortunaly haha) have to wait a loooooooooooooong time for some conclusions.

I would be very surprised if Nika and Nami's origin is uncovered before chapter 20, i could even see something like Ocean throwing in a red herring like introducing a Mr. or Mrs. Cyrus in wiab just to reveal later that they were fakeparents and Nika and Nami are indeed willy & leia's kids (sorry i dont want to open another discussion about this, just a thought lol).

We just have to hope ocean has it better planned than the "Lost" creators or the worst offender i watched in more recent times was the tv-series "Blacklist" regarding mysterys and reveals.

My dude!
That's right, the spirit of "Lost" is present throughout the game, as is the sharp division of the audience between those who love this approach to storytelling and those who hate it. But the similarity to "Blacklist," especially in terms of the intricacy of the plot, is also an excellent observation. Cool, I somehow didn’t think about this until you wrote.

 

[crunchycake]

Humm....

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My best possible guess is prolly ghosting again.... lol

or... Is it an indirect way of saying "go to Hell" to Emilia?

 

[BobTheDuck]

Humm....

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My best possible guess is prolly ghosting again.... lol

or... Is it an indirect way of saying "go to Hell" to Emilia?

There's no need to assume Willi's not around. There is no reason for him to have been seen in SG yet. Just like Vanessa mentions Nika doesn't move in her kind of social circles, Nika doesn't move in Willi's. It's entirely plausible he' living in Wollust, running the dojo with Miru. Currently most people are favouring the idea that Ayua Zane is Miru's daughter ...which means either Willi or Dylan have to be the dad - or possibly Lucas (we know Scarlet is an aunt, but is Uncle Joe Dylan's brother or brother in law?) But given Willi and Miru spoke about opening a gyme, it's entirely likely they did, and that where Nika might see see Miru and or Willi. It's be interesting to see how the training with Ayua goes in any case.

 

[Krytax123]

There's no need to assume Willi's not around. There is no reason for him to have been seen in SG yet. Just like Vanessa mentions Nika doesn't move in her kind of social circles, Nika doesn't move in Willi's. It's entirely plausible he' living in Wollust, running the dojo with Miru. Currently most people are favouring the idea that Ayua Zane is Miru's daughter ...which means either Willi or Dylan have to be the dad - or possibly Lucas (we know Scarlet is an aunt, but is Uncle Joe Dylan's brother or brother in law?) But given Willi and Miru spoke about opening a gyme, it's entirely likely they did, and that where Nika might see see Miru and or Willi. It's be interesting to see how the training with Ayua goes in any case.

I feel like its more plausible that Willy&Miru&Leia (+Zoey and the rest) are running Stripclubs, Drug-Buisness, Porn-Studios and plushy teddy bear companys (likely all of it) while having a Dojo as a Sidegig lol.

Leia was already uber-rich in the beginning of wiab and i suspect Dylan was involved in a lot of shady stuff anyway, i can see the Zane wealth only growing until SG.

Maybe Willy/Leia/Miru were in prision (again) for a time, that could be a explanation for no contact (again lol).

At this point there isnt anything to speculate about the gym imo, its a Zane-gym as mentioned by Ayua, of course its owned by Miru/William/Leia.

Visiting the Gym with ayua, the cabin with amber and the holgerson-gala are my most anticipated events for the next chapters

 

[PaxHadrian17]

The thing more disappointing than those "Haters" is your response its one thing to respond to them at all but to completely disregard their whole point and thinking you solved something is outrageous some of them raise valid points about the game's development and some people including myself just cut support after 6 months because there was so little content to put my arm around now i did make a post here about the development issue does that make me a bad person? no its the opposite being concerned about this series and how its being handled is important to me and i come here to express it in the most respectful way possible some people might degrade the series in question those are the "Haters" you probably are talking about and guess what you can find them in pretty much every big title this industry has published but the problem here is those haters are most of the time completely random people that played the game for 30 mins hated something in it and then come to diss on the creators but here its a specific problem many people talk about it that being patrons or non patrons some out of concern for the series and some with ill intentions you cant escape the latter no matter what and if alot of people have the same problem and are expressing it here then you should know the problem is real and can lead to lasting problems in the future if not fixed.

Okay - I'll ask the obvious...

What prompted you to respond to a post from mid-August 2023 on January 2nd, 2024?

Are you actually that far behind on your review of the SG thread, page 1224, or is this something else?

I took a few minutes to reread the surrounding commentary of that part of the thread and I feel Fortuna ღ was spot on with her response.

She spoke well enough about the haters hitting the SG thread in the first two weeks of August (in particular) that a number of us did not feel the need to add in our 'two cents.'

I Am in that group of people who get tired of the trolls/haters who appear just so that they can dis something that they don't like and many of whom seem to have not even played SG's full content (other than skipping through who knows how much of the story before announcing 'What a short update with no sex!')

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You posted here on this thread choosing a single message from August 2023.

I'm treating your post as an invitation to a discussion and if you want to offer specific feedback about SG for future discussion, feel free to reply with that feedback.

Cheers!!

 

[John972]

I feel like its more plausible that Willy&Miru&Leia (+Zoey and the rest) are running Stripclubs, Drug-Buisness, Porn-Studios and plushy teddy bear companys (likely all of it) while having a Dojo as a Sidegig lol.

Leia was already uber-rich in the beginning of wiab and i suspect Dylan was involved in a lot of shady stuff anyway, i can see the Zane wealth only growing until SG.

Maybe Willy/Leia/Miru were in prision (again) for a time, that could be a explanation for no contact (again lol).

At this point there isnt anything to speculate about the gym imo, its a Zane-gym as mentioned by Ayua, of course its owned by Miru/William/Leia.

Visiting the Gym with ayua, the cabin with amber and the holgerson-gala are my most anticipated events for the next chapters

You bring up and interesting thought...

Nojiko, 15 or so years ago: "Nika, Nami, your parents died in a horrible accident."

Nojiko, in a future update: "Nika, Nami, meet your mom and dad. They just finished their 15-year prison sentences."