VN Ren'Py Summer's Gone [S1 Steam + DLC] [Oceanlab]

[AlexFXR]

OK, I'll take the bait.

Your reply has NOTHING to do with what I said in my post. All you are doing is deflecting/moving the goal posts.

1. Reviews are like assholes... (you know the rest of that saying). I've seen objectively average games on F95 get rave reviews simply because the game ticked the right fetish boxes. They are subjective, so moving on.

2. This thread has 1,683 pages. Only the first 38 pages (2%) relate solely to Regium's Chapter 1.

3. Development time / "Slow burning" is irrelevant to my post because I presented evidence in the form of dialogues and renders from the original SG Ch 1 (Regium's) that people could view, compare to Ocean's reworked SG Ch 1, and reach their own conclusions about.

Anyway, let's look at the development time / "slow burn" question.

Regium released one - ONE - chapter of SG on 8 May 2019. That is all. Regium has no (as in ZERO, ZILCH) track record in development cycles to compare with Ocean because Regium made no subsequent chapters of SG.

Ocean took over the development of SG in 2019 and he released Chapter 2 on 11 January 2020 - eight months after Regium's first and only release.

Here is what Ocean wrote in the Chapter 2 changelog:



Let's look at some objective information about the two versions of Chapter 1 (ignoring render and dialogue quality):

Spoiler: Regium's SG Chapter 1

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Spoiler: Ocean's reworked SG Ch 1 (up to Ch 5 Beta)

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As for reminiscing about Regium's Chapter 1 - it contained one - ONE - lewd scene; a minor one where Summer showed her breasts. That is all. No one has any idea what would've followed and when, had Regium continued development.

Unfortunately, I don’t know your saying, but I do know one of the “Golden Rules,” which says: If you like a product and want to know the whole truth about it, then read negative reviews, because positive reviews will only contain advertising. By the way, this shows the current situation very well. If we read only positive reviews, we will see how good everything is in the game. If we read the negative reviews, we see that many people are dissatisfied with the game and their number is constantly growing. I don't like this situation. However, Ocean doesn't care about this, but we all know perfectly well what will happen next, too many games have been abandoned because of this.

I wrote about how people are unhappy with Slow Burn, but if it doesn't make sense to you, then why did you respond to it? It does not make sense.

As far as I know, Regium made almost 2 chapters, but what does this have to do with popularity? None of this matters. Ocean continued developing SG when Regium left, and it had no less positive reviews. Ocean began to lose its popularity after reducing the dynamics of the game's development. With each new chapter the plot became less and less. This has already been said many times. Perhaps when Ocean starts making season 2 and the plot begins to develop, his popularity will grow again.

 

[SerHawkes]

I theorise Ocean "ages up" most characters in SG to be on the save side for Steam. But what I personally dislike about Ocean´s unending drive to improve the artwork is his total love of oversized torpedo tits.
IMHO opinion when it comes to bodyform e.g. old WIAB ch.6 and new WIAB ch.1 Leia was practically perfect, then since ch.2 we got "Stripper Leia" and "Airship Helen".
New Ayua has a great face and he kept her body halfway normal, so I hoped he finally got over the verschlimmbessern the bodies of the female characters with unfitting or even grotesque breast sizes. Now I see new Nadia who had a detectable breast size creep.

The bastard almost already ruined Mila for me...

 

[Dessolos]

one thing we can say how it is rumored that DPC likes stocking alot seems Ocean loves big old tig ol bitties especially really big ones.

 

[SerHawkes]

one thing we can say how it is rumored that DPC likes stocking alot seems Ocean loves big old tig ol bitties especially really big ones.

Bro is a breast man. I can respect that. However... OG Mila was per-fucking-fect already.

 

[Dessolos]

Bro is a breast man. I can respect that. However... OG Mila was per-fucking-fect already.

not gonna lie unless I see a side by side picture im won't even notice the change haha but yeah the one time I did look I perfer the old ones as well. But I still love her even with her new set of back problems just not as much as some others lol.

 

[Fortuna ღ]

I'm not telling you not to be angry, but what are you achieving by doing it? Exactly nothing. Games are meant to be enjoyable. Find one that you enjoy while you wait. I have like 200 here I've downloaded and yet to play, they all look interesting, some might be crap, but I can do plenty of other things while I wait.

You know, I'd thought along the same lines regarding users upset at the pace of things. It's crazy how quickly time flies once you get a lifeღ

The thing that gets me when reading that dialogue (in Regium's version) is I can never picture those words coming from a traumatized 18-year-old; rather, I picture them coming from the mouth of an 8-year-old trying to be edgy/funny.

Regium's dialogue was terrible. It sounds so unnatural coming from a teenager with the MC's background. I'd understand if the MC's background was more dark, but that wasn't the case. Ocean's dialogue isn't the best, but it's laughable for anyone to think that Regium's dialogue can compare to it.

Unfortunately, I don’t know your saying, but I do know one of the “Golden Rules,” which says: If you like a product and want to know the whole truth about it, then read negative reviews, because positive reviews will only contain advertising. By the way, this shows the current situation very well. If we read only positive reviews, we will see how good everything is in the game. If we read the negative reviews, we see that many people are dissatisfied with the game and their number is constantly growing. I don't like this situation. However, Ocean doesn't care about this, but we all know perfectly well what will happen next, too many games have been abandoned because of this.

To all of the lovely users here, I understand being frustrated with how things are going and disagreeing with Oceans or other users, but don't be like this userღ

As far as I know, Regium made almost 2 chapters, but what does this have to do with popularity? None of this matters. Ocean continued developing SG when Regium left, and it had no less positive reviews. Ocean began to lose its popularity after reducing the dynamics of the game's development. With each new chapter the plot became less and less. This has already been said many times. Perhaps when Ocean starts making season 2 and the plot begins to develop, his popularity will grow again.

You couldn't be more wrong, darling. When I started following this thread at the time of Chapter 3's update(sometime after Oceans officially took over), this game had around three million views and mixed ratings. Every update since has seen mostly positive responses (except for Chapter 5's beta release), and SG has since amassed over ten million views and counting. That's on F95 alone. It's literally one of the most popular games here and will only keep growing. I don't know you, but it takes talent to be this willfully blind. I'm not even going to address your statements about its plotღ

 

[Vidal the king of Pervert]

You know, I'd thought along the same lines regarding users upset at the pace of things. It's crazy how quickly time flies once you get a lifeღ

Regium's dialogue was terrible. It sounds so unnatural coming from a teenager with the MC's background. I'd understand if the MC's background was more dark, but that wasn't the case. Ocean's dialogue isn't the best, but it's laughable for anyone to think that Regium's dialogue can compare to it.

To all of the lovely users here, I understand being frustrated with how things are going and disagreeing with Oceans or other users, but don't be this userღ

You couldn't be more wrong, darling. When I started following this thread at the time of Chapter 3's update(sometime after Oceans officially took over), this game had around three million views and mixed ratings. Every update since has seen mostly positive responses (except for Chapter 5's beta release), and SG has since amassed over ten million views and counting. This is on F95 alone. It's literally one of the most popular games here and will only keep growing. I don't know you, but it takes talent to be this willfully blind. I'm not even going to address your statements about its plotღ

Edit: Is he normally like this?

damn my sister you still got it

that is some gangster shitt

 

[AlexFXR]

Hmm, did Nadia's breasts get bigger?

In season 3, everyone will be like this...

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[N1ghtcrawler]

Every update since has seen mostly positive responses (except for Chapter 5's beta release)

Chapter 5 is probably my favorite after chapter 4. What was wrong with it? Too long of a development time?
I was unhappy with the lack of alternative scenes with Bella, but the number of renders specifically for her path turned out to be not so much as it seemed at first. Still I would like to see an alternative progresson of her story if the player is not on her path.

 

[RNasc4444]

What was wrong with it?

Can't remember it all that well but there were some complaints that originated the mixed responses. Some people didn't like the book club scene and how long it was, the panic attack scene and the the pills that Sasha gives the MC and how fast they work was also mentioned.

Personally my main complaint was once again the absolute lack of logic in the scene where you sleep with Bella if you're on her path. Once again Ocean backed himself up into a corner with the "no lewd scenes in season 1 shit". If you pay attention you notice the MC's thoughts expressing how he wished he could give Bella what she wants during their desert escapade. Later when they sleep together Bella outright says she's horny and once again the MC wishes he could just fuck her. Well anyone with half a working brain notices that the MC has 10 working fingers and a tongue that he could very well use to take her edge off. But apparently his dick isn't the only thing not working because his brain just shut down on that one.

 

[Rivin]

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21/8/2024 isn't a Friday! I can't support a universal inaccuracy like this!

 

[AlexFXR]

You couldn't be more wrong, darling. When I started following this thread at the time of Chapter 3's update(sometime after Oceans officially took over), this game had around three million views and mixed ratings. Every update since has seen mostly positive responses (except for Chapter 5's beta release), and SG has since amassed over ten million views and counting. That's on F95 alone. It's literally one of the most popular games here and will only keep growing. I don't know you, but it takes talent to be this willfully blind. I'm not even going to address your statements about its plotღ

I understand that you are an Ocean fan and you love him, but why lie all the time?

 

[Fortuna ღ]

Chapter 5 is probably my favorite after chapter 4. What was wrong with it? Too long of a development time?
I was unhappy with the lack of alternative scenes with Bella, but the number of renders specifically for her path turned out to be not so much as it seemed at first. Still I would like to see an alternative progresson of her story if the player is not on her path.

It was a combination of frustration at the development period, reworked scenes, lack of lewd scenes, Bella's path, overall update size, and the lack of content for other LIs. Those were the main reasons behind everyone's anger during that update. This was further amplified by users' unrealistic expectations for this game when they came here. The review-bombing followed shortly after. This thread was not a fun place as all of this was happeningღ

I understand that you are an Ocean fan and you love him, but why lie all the time?

Luv, your account didn't even exist back then. What would you know?

 

[BobTheDuck]

It was a combination of frustration at the development period, reworked scenes, lack of lewd scenes, Bella's path, overall update size, and the lack of content for other LIs. Those were the main reasons behind everyone's anger during that update. This was further amplified by users' unrealistic expectations for this game when they came here. The review-bombing followed shortly after. This thread was not a fun place, as all of this was happeningღ

Luv, your account didn't even exist back then. What would you know?

Just a heads up - that user's favourite sport is baiting anyone who has even the tiniest bit of sunshine. They'll keep shifting their position just to keep any argument going ...also, they've been following Ocean since at least 2014 and probably have AI screenshots signed by Regium to prove it Revisionary tactics are a thing.

 

[John972]

Can't remember it all that well but there were some complaints that originated the mixed responses. Some people didn't like the book club scene and how long it was, the panic attack scene and the the pills that Sasha gives the MC and how fast they work was also mentioned.

Personally my main complaint was once again the absolute lack of logic in the scene where you sleep with Bella if you're on her path. Once again Ocean backed himself up into a corner with the "no lewd scenes in season 1 shit". If you pay attention you notice the MC's thoughts expressing how he wished he could give Bella what she wants during their desert escapade. Later when they sleep together Bella outright says she's horny and once again the MC wishes he could just fuck her. Well anyone with half a working brain notices that the MC has 10 working fingers and a tongue that he could very well use to take her edge off. But apparently his dick isn't the only thing not working because his brain just shut down on that one.

Yeah, you're right about the Bella scene. Ocean needed to CLEARLY show the MC's problem is just as much mental (turned off by physical intimacy) as it is physical (unable to get a boner). Even in that scenario, the MC could've "taken one for the team." Showing any mental block would need to be communicated unambiguously over the course of the previous 4 chapters.

I'm interested to see if there is any change to the Sasha scene. Ocean could've invented any medication name he wanted to. Instead, he chose to name a real-world medication and fake the efficacy.

 

[John972]

Goddamn new Nadia put on 10 years and 10 pounds in such a short amount of time. Either that or Wollust is crawling with shapeshifting time travelers.

The themed main menu is cool though!

It goes to show the stress of slow game development breaks the fourth wall and affects game NPCs as well.

 

[John972]

Alleged photo of the criminal who stole Nadya's banana this time

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You obviously know who Josey is. It's more likely she is lubricating the banana before stuffing it in Nadia's pussy.

 

[Old Man Al]

Some people didn't like the book club scene and how long it was, the panic attack scene and the the pills that Sasha gives the MC and how fast they work was also mentioned.

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I daresay, that the intersection of people who complained about stuff like this and complaining about the plot being worse than what it was before the rework is pretty high.

And let me tell all those people one thing

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[| Vee |]

Oh man...
I kinda responded to John Ness a few posts ago on the same argument. Read it if you wish... Or don't
https://f95zone.to/threads/summers-gone-ch-5-beta-oceanlab.29981/post-13490941

But since we all here recognize the right of others to express their opinions (we do, right?) please let me express mine.

I don’t understand where every second critic gets this didactic tone and condescending attitude towards those who support Ocean. Where do you guys get such an unbearable desire to stick the blazing Torch of Truth into our unwashed asses of ignorance?
This may be hard for you to believe, but most people can multiply 1 by (32-5) and add 2024 to get 2051 as an extrapolation of the game's completion date if things remain as they are now. They kinda had done this long before the missionaries arrived to this pagan lands.

And this is where questions of personal beliefs begin. Some believe that Ocean is not evolving, does not draw conclusions from past mistakes, does not analyze the feedback and don't improve his approach based on it, not looking for the ways to make games faster. And basically milks the poor pirates, and as long as there is at least one subscriber left, he will continue the unbearable milking of those who take the game for free.

Others believe that Ocean is looking for ways to improve games and develop them more quickly, constantly taking various actions to achieve this goal, and in general he is serious about delivering the games to the extent that he planned them. Because it is not only his passion, but also his business. So this part of the audience believes that the dev will find a way to significantly speed up development.

Just to be honest: my personal opinion is that I don't give a flying fuck about the ending as long as Ocean releases an amount of content every year that is comparable to the amount of content created by the most productive solo developers on this site. I will watch this show while it lasts.

I think that since this is a question of beliefs, then it has only a historical solution - religious wars, this is exactly what we all see in this thread. And only the future will show who was right.

So there’s one thing I can’t understand. It’s clear why those who like the game and who support the developer constantly gather and communicate in this thread. But why there remain those who themselves declare that Ocean is a fool and a milker, that the game is crap and nothing good will happen in it, that they can’t bear the very thought of the existence of this game, all this is the mystery of the Aztecs for me.

There are thousands of games on the site for every taste, why are you keep hanging out here? The funny thing is that most of you have 90 to 100% of your posts in this thread only. They're all on the topic “if only you knew how bad things really are.” I can’t understand this, it’s like scratching a wound again and again, not giving it a chance to heal. With my all due respect to masochistic kinks, it's kind of crazy.

Another thing that I can't understand is the attempts in this thread to address Ocean and teach him how to make games correctly. I see only one explanation for this; perhaps not everyone knows that he left this forum last year and deleted his account. Guys, he's not here, look for him on Patreon, Discord or God knows where.

And my beloved Regium fans. Yeah, sure, things were much better with him, and the MC was the Edgelord Chad, not the pathetic emo-crybaby-limp-dick like now, and the jokes were funny and juicy, not like the pale crap that was left after the edits and in general we were one step away from fucking all the LIs and shoot up a fucking college. But Ocean has deprived us of all these joys.

Just please don't forget one little thing: Regium has left this ship four (or five?) years ago. Summer's Gone is now entirely created by Ocean, and the old one you loved was abandoned by its developer many years ago. Alas. It's abandoned. Seriously, don’t torture yourself, Ocean won’t return everything as it was under Regium, find something more suitable to your taste. Or accept the changes.

Did I mention Regium in my post? NO! Did I compare Regium with Ocean? NO! Did I mention anywhere that Ocean is scamming? NO! Did I mention SG is not a good game story wise? NO! What did I mention than? I mentioned development cycle issue. You get that or not? If not than read again my post. Since Ocean taken over SG we are in the same trend of development since than, only exception is this steam release. I don't give a fuck about Regium that guy is gone. I do give a fuck about Ocean way of handling since he took over SG and the development cycle still hasn't improved instead it has gotten worse. There was no need for you to write this long post as bunch of argument you wrote are not even in my post. My post is about Ocean's way of handling development cycle. That's all. I never criticized Ocean's writing but his development cycle. I dare and say I like Ocean's writing more than Regium's.

I'm not here to make anyone against Ocean or anything like that (He gave me my favorite MMC after all), just putting this out to shed some light on how things are going and being rational. Pointing out flaws or critizing doesn't make one against it, it simply shows what needs improvement. Moving on...

 

[AlexFXR]

Luv, your account didn't even exist back then. What would you know?

What does my account have to do with it?....you have a talent for writing nonsense.