VN Ren'Py Abandoned Summer's Gone [S1 Steam + DLC] [Oceanlab]

[Insomnia_z]

No doubt but that's not the whole issue. >Here's what he posted not too long ago in the WiAB devlog.



How do you reconcile that with this???
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What am I missing here? How do you go from William is related to Leia a few weeks ago to "there are no family relationships in the games!"?????

That's because the screenshot is before the WIAB devlog.

Case is closed, guys. And he has purged the #spoilers channels on Discord.
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[BobTheDuck]

the Sasha thing always strikes me as odd and confusing ,since the start Sasha stares at the Mc like she knows him from before and that she's dealing with some kind of issue because of the pills to contain the panic attacks (maybe the same issues as the Mc who knows?)
#1 thought was : Sasha was Summer , #2 thought was : Sasha is/was Summer's sister , #3 thought is : Sasha is/was Summer's friend
but that would mean that a lot of the people in Sasha's circle should know who the Mc is but everybody act like if they just met him ...........confusing.

another thing that strike me ass odd was in the book club, we learned that Bella's mom knew about the Mc and more likely his past and that makes me wonder , are the therapy sessions to help the Mc dealing with his trauma or to let Nojiko and Amber know how much from Mc past he's starting to remember? .
could it be that Amber is Sasha's therapist too?........... and Mc and Sasha's traumas are related?

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Yeah, I think Sasha's got her fans partially because she's got the most mystery: why the scar? why the smouldering inscruitable looks at Nika? Why does Nika seem to recognise her? Why the earring? Why am I and my friends keeping tabs on him? There's so much more mystery than Bella: what happened to my sister? Nami has the earring and the dark secret, Nia's revealled her mystery, Mila's got ...something we don't know, but Sasha has the most undisclosed storyline ...well, other than SOnya, but there's no hint of a mystery there, we're just trying to get her away from her parent's control.

#1 Seemed like it was plausible when she first appeared, but the skin tone and lack of freckles made me realise quickly that she couldn't be. No one gets a full body skin transplant... #2 Even with Nika's selective memory, I'm sure the Petrova name would trigger him. #3 is currently the best bet.

Elsa is high society and has a fancy french surname, Elsa's mom called Nika trash and is Summer's aunt, Summer's parents also called Nika shit to his face... So the implication was that Summer's family is part of high society. They've probably left Wollust, because otherwise Nika could trace them down publicly, looking up their surname. Bella tells Nika Elsa is out of his league, so I can imagine all of Sasha's friends could easily be aware of who Summer is. And Sasha's friends seem to be mainly the redhead, the other brunette and Robin (of course Ayua who probably knows everything) The redhead shops in the same clothing store that Bella takes Nika, Robin's mom holds the bookclub in a mansion, so elite status is confirmed. All of Sasha's close friends seem to keep tabs on Nika, the redhead doesn't introduce herself, the other brunette we've not interacted with, Sasha does seem to know him, Robin starts introducing herself in a fake way to get info about Bella... so we don't know if they're pretending ignorance.

BUt even still, it's a bunch of loose connections. We've basically just got a mystery and we're trying to solve it with too little evidence of what happened.

I like that thought about the therapy - Noji gives two reasons for the therapy, both Bella, the initial one was because you triggered her (and even then it appears that Noji knows who Bella is, before they've met), then the last straw was disappearing on the night of the burglary. Amber seems pretty uninterested in dealing with Nika's more violent/criminal tendencies. It suggests she already knows more than she's letting on. The fact that Noji has waited so long to get Nika therapy also suggests she's more worried about how he'll deal with all the discoveries about what's going on behind his back ...pre-emptive therapy?

I also like the idea that each of the LI's has a shared trauma with Nika. Nia has the connection via Summer, Nami is obvious with her dark secret, Bella's sister might ne connected, and what happened to Sasha, Bella's sister and Summer is connected. Marla has a pre-existing history that goes back earlier than the car accident (she wants shared therapy with Nika, but not with Vic?) The Frohn's were known by Noji, but they're not high society, so she had to have known them to make comments about knowing a couple with two girls called Vic and Maja. Elsa has an obvious connection via Summer. SO about half of the supposed LI's might have some shared trauma. Sonya is unlikely to have any connection, Mila, well I think her mom probably worked for Leia in the nightclub at one point, but I've got no reason to think that... Nadia we know nothing about her secret yet, and the Benz's seem to have their own independent secrets.

No doubt but that's not the whole issue. >Here's what he posted not too long ago in the WiAB devlog.



How do you reconcile that with this???
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What am I missing here? How do you go from William is related to Leia a few weeks ago to "there are no family relationships in the games!"?????

When this was first posted (around the time WiaB was deleted from patreon) we were all still arguing over the Cyrus name and why it's such a downer. So at least this has stayed consistent, we're still arguing over roomies and landladies. We're going in circles and the circles are the hoops we have to jump through

 

[vampires69'in]

Yeah, I think Sasha's got her fans partially because she's got the most mystery: why the scar? why the smouldering inscruitable looks at Nika? Why does Nika seem to recognise her? Why the earring? Why am I and my friends keeping tabs on him? There's so much more mystery than Bella: what happened to my sister? Nami has the earring and the dark secret, Nia's revealled her mystery, Mila's got ...something we don't know, but Sasha has the most undisclosed storyline ...well, other than SOnya, but there's no hint of a mystery there, we're just trying to get her away from her parent's control.

#1 Seemed like it was plausible when she first appeared, but the skin tone and lack of freckles made me realise quickly that she couldn't be. No one gets a full body skin transplant... #2 Even with Nika's selective memory, I'm sure the Petrova name would trigger him. #3 is currently the best bet.

Elsa is high society and has a fancy french surname, Elsa's mom called Nika trash and is Summer's aunt, Summer's parents also called Nika shit to his face... So the implication was that Summer's family is part of high society. They've probably left Wollust, because otherwise Nika could trace them down publicly, looking up their surname. Bella tells Nika Elsa is out of his league, so I can imagine all of Sasha's friends could easily be aware of who Summer is. And Sasha's friends seem to be mainly the redhead, the other brunette and Robin (of course Ayua who probably knows everything) The redhead shops in the same clothing store that Bella takes Nika, Robin's mom holds the bookclub in a mansion, so elite status is confirmed. All of Sasha's close friends seem to keep tabs on Nika, the redhead doesn't introduce herself, the other brunette we've not interacted with, Sasha does seem to know him, Robin starts introducing herself in a fake way to get info about Bella... so we don't know if they're pretending ignorance.

BUt even still, it's a bunch of loose connections. We've basically just got a mystery and we're trying to solve it with too little evidence of what happened.

I like that thought about the therapy - Noji gives two reasons for the therapy, both Bella, the initial one was because you triggered her (and even then it appears that Noji knows who Bella is, before they've met), then the last straw was disappearing on the night of the burglary. Amber seems pretty uninterested in dealing with Nika's more violent/criminal tendencies. It suggests she already knows more than she's letting on. The fact that Noji has waited so long to get Nika therapy also suggests she's more worried about how he'll deal with all the discoveries about what's going on behind his back ...pre-emptive therapy?

I also like the idea that each of the LI's has a shared trauma with Nika. Nia has the connection via Summer, Nami is obvious with her dark secret, Bella's sister might ne connected, and what happened to Sasha, Bella's sister and Summer is connected. Marla has a pre-existing history that goes back earlier than the car accident (she wants shared therapy with Nika, but not with Vic?) The Frohn's were known by Noji, but they're not high society, so she had to have known them to make comments about knowing a couple with two girls called Vic and Maja. Elsa has an obvious connection via Summer. SO about half of the supposed LI's might have some shared trauma. Sonya is unlikely to have any connection, Mila, well I think her mom probably worked for Leia in the nightclub at one point, but I've got no reason to think that... Nadia we know nothing about her secret yet, and the Benz's seem to have their own independent secrets.



When this was first posted (around the time WiaB was deleted from patreon) we were all still arguing over the Cyrus name and why it's such a downer. So at least this has stayed consistent, we're still arguing over roomies and landladies. We're going in circles and the circles are the hoops we have to jump through

The other brunette ?

The lady to the left of them ? That's her Aunt ,Bodyguard. According to Jenna at the book club. And I stand by arguing about " roomies and landladies" I understand the reasons,but if it gets to that point,may as well drop it entirely rather than treat your fanbase as prematurely retired individuals lol.

 

[Turret]

but this is not a problem that concerns only Ocean. patreon is lurking all over the servers trying to find dirt. on one hand I understand it because they have clearly defined rules and if you violate them it's logical they will delete you. more devs violate them the worse it will be for everyone. on the other hand it is necessary to understand it makes no sense to throw dirt on patreon because those things are not from their head.

Pardon, but you still do not counter my argument that Patreon kills creativity and stories. Their "rules", which are enforced quite arbitrarly at times, force those on Patreon to alter their stories. It is not just AVNs, but e.g. crime stories as well. If you are writing a crime/police/detective story, it is clear by design that criminal activities play a role. Still Patreon will kick your ass if things on their forbidden list are in it. Which is a clear headdesk.

 

[BobTheDuck]

Nope, I mean this one, the Charlie's Angels vibe, so the assumption is an intended posse:


Looks like she shops at the same place as the redhead for dresses, but here she is talking to the first team's coach, suggesting a sports focus.

If this is also her, she's done the hair dye thing that both Ayua and the redhead have done. But I'm not 100% it's her, it might be an updated tattoo henna, because Ocean isn't always consistent (like Sonya's jewellery changing colour, guy with hair being bald etc)

 

[Capt_Kirk]

The other brunette ? View attachment 3951859

The lady to the left of them ? That's her Aunt ,Bodyguard. According to Jenna at the book club. And I stand by arguing about " roomies and landladies" I understand the reasons,but if it gets to that point,may as well drop it entirely rather than treat your fanbase as prematurely retired individuals lol.

Ducky is talking about this brunette (Ayua's sister or cousin)

 

[vampires69'in]

Ducky is talking about this brunette (Ayua's sister or cousin)

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Nope, I mean this one, the Charlie's Angels vibe, so the assumption is an intended posse:
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Looks like she shops at the same place as the redhead for dresses, but here she is talking to the first team's coach, suggesting a sports focus.
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If this is also her, she's done the hair dye thing that both Ayua and the redhead have done. But I'm not 100% it's her, it might be an updated tattoo henna, because Ocean isn't always consistent (like Sonya's jewellery changing colour, guy with hair being bald etc)
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Nope, I mean this one, the Charlie's Angels vibe, so the assumption is an intended posse:
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Looks like she shops at the same place as the redhead for dresses, but here she is talking to the first team's coach, suggesting a sports focus.
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If this is also her, she's done the hair dye thing that both Ayua and the redhead have done. But I'm not 100% it's her, it might be an updated tattoo henna, because Ocean isn't always consistent (like Sonya's jewellery changing colour, guy with hair being bald etc)
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Ohh , I completely forgot about her. SO many interesting lady's with nothing lol

 

[vampires69'in]

Ducky is talking about this brunette (Ayua's sister or cousin)

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Yeah, I wonder about her.......and Jill Valentine..

 

[BobTheDuck]

Yeah, I wonder about her.......and Jill Valentine..

My fav unknown is the goth pizza girl. She's far too detailed to be a throwaway character, and she talks with Zara in the background at one point. I'm not super worried if a side girl stays a side girl, or if someone's a background character, I just want to know what their involvement is - there's already enough great characters for hours of replay once the paths start seriously diverging that we don't need more. I just like the goth girl's style.

 

[Turret]

Ducky is talking about this brunette (Ayua's sister or cousin)

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She is most probably Ayua´s "cousin", because unlike Ayua, who has some of Miru´s features (e.g. cheeks), this girl looks a lot like Leia, Ayua´s aunt.

 

[vampires69'in]

My fav unknown is the goth pizza girl. She's far too detailed to be a throwaway character, and she talks with Zara in the background at one point. I'm not super worried if a side girl stays a side girl, or if someone's a background character, I just want to know what their involvement is - there's already enough great characters for hours of replay once the paths start seriously diverging that we don't need more. I just like the goth girl's style.

She comes off as a spy as well lol

 

[hermit_tr]

the Sasha thing always strikes me as odd and confusing ,since the start Sasha stares at the Mc like she knows him from before and that she's dealing with some kind of issue because of the pills to contain the panic attacks (maybe the same issues as the Mc who knows?)
#1 thought was : Sasha was Summer , #2 thought was : Sasha is/was Summer's sister , #3 thought is : Sasha is/was Summer's friend
but that would mean that a lot of the people in Sasha's circle should know who the Mc is but everybody act like if they just met him ...........confusing.

I would rather believe that the reason Sasha is looking at MC is because she knows MC's condition, just like Mila knows MC's condition.
Mila knows about MC's situation, because she had a friend who committed suicide.
For Sasha, it's possible that she has a similar condition to MC (at first I thought that either she or someone close to her had a similar condition, however, at the book club there were only her bodyguards nearby, and I don't think she brought medicine for her bodyguard).

 

[BobTheDuck]

I would rather believe that the reason Sasha is looking at MC is because she knows MC's condition, just like Mila knows MC's condition.
Mila knows about MC's situation, because she had a friend who committed suicide.
For Sasha, it's possible that she has a similar condition to MC (at first I thought that either she or someone close to her had a similar condition, however, at the book club there were only her bodyguards nearby, and I don't think she brought medicine for her bodyguard).

She also knows where to get it, so it's either for her, or for someone she cares for (the way Maja cares for Vic) ...but seeing she's there with only her bodyguard - I can't imagine she carries meds for Robin.

 

[LHDLLB]

My fav unknown is the goth pizza girl. She's far too detailed to be a throwaway character, and she talks with Zara in the background at one point. I'm not super worried if a side girl stays a side girl, or if someone's a background character, I just want to know what their involvement is - there's already enough great characters for hours of replay once the paths start seriously diverging that we don't need more. I just like the goth girl's style.

Goth Girl is up to something, maybe not a LI or even a side girl, but it feels too much thought through to not be relevant.

I would rather believe that the reason Sasha is looking at MC is because she knows MC's condition, just like Mila knows MC's condition.
Mila knows about MC's situation, because she had a friend who committed suicide.
For Sasha, it's possible that she has a similar condition to MC (at first I thought that either she or someone close to her had a similar condition, however, at the book club there were only her bodyguards nearby, and I don't think she brought medicine for her bodyguard).

I tend to believe that the simplest answer is more likely the most true. Coincidence may explain her friends encountering Nika, Sasha may look at him simply because she like what she sees.I am more interested in how Sasha is related to Nami and what is the deal with the earrings. I find more likely that Sasha has a connection with Nami, and to extension to Nika, than to Summer.

 

[Dr.TSoni]

After reading the last pages

Nika's life is the Truman Show

I don't know man, he's something of an icon in the sigma community
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Very easy! Patreon has it´s eyes on him now and since Ocean fears being banned for good, he is kneeling for them! What Ocean does not understand is that bowing to them will not really help. He might not be banned, but his stories are toast! What now comes out as "WiaB" and "SG" will be very far from his vision and very much standard AVN fare with assinine aspects, the typical landlord/tennant/adopted/we only pluck flowers crap.
It is not as bad for "Summer´s gone", since the darker aspects were in background from the start, it was more a dating simulator from the get go.
But WiaB is destroyed, since in that game crime stories, mystery, dark secrets were far more prominent and the main pull factor.
This is a prime example why sites like Patreon are killing creativity and great stories and bringing out mediocre stuff more than anything else!

I understand that Patreon is breathing down his neck, but I don't understand why he doesn't fix the relationship between Nika, Nojiko and Nami so as to avoid problems. For now it just seems to tell us "There are no family relations wink wink"

 

[yossa999]

Look forward to seeing the opening of season 2. If they follow where they left off will Nami sneak into Nikas bed after their kiss. How will Mila sleep with Nika bra panties or topless. Nami and Mila sleeping together talking about boys and tits. Or the farfetched someone goes in Nikas room while he's sleeping but they don't realize he's not sleeping he's faking and watching them.

I don't know who will sneak into his bed, but judging by the preview from this log, in the morning the super-energetic Zara will wake him up at the crack of dawn and drag him off to training.

Spoiler: Zara&MC

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[PaxHadrian17]

That discord post is basically a confirmation of how cognitively impaired Ocean really is. Not too long ago, in a WiAB devlog, he stated that William and Leia were twins. And now he claims there are "no family relationships in the games"?!?!!?

Or...

Patreon is now reaching into F95 to look for incest mods and checking Discord servers promoting the same and punishing the devs if they find something that offends their puritanical sensibilities...

Given that Patreon already banned WIAB, Ocean's taking a hardline stance about incest on his Discord server (which is for Both WIAB and SG) to protect his Patreon income for SG should come as no surprise.

What Was fine with Patreon for years is no longer fine.

It's not cognitive impairment, it is trying to keep his AVNs alive in a Patreon restrictive environment.

Cheers!!

 

[Dr.TSoni]

Spoiler: Zara&MC

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I still think Zara looks much better this way

XD

 

[yossa999]

I still think Zara looks much better this way

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I know bro, right? Relaxed and playful Zara after the jacuzzi is the best Zara
Damn man, almost every topic in this thread gives me a sense of deja vu.

Yeah, I absolutely love this scene when the MC and Nami are about to leave to Vici. Zara is sitting at the table, she is so relaxed after the jacuzzi (although we could say that she is also relaxed at the deeper level because the awkwardness of all this "meet the soon-to-be-stepsiblings" situation is faded away). So, instead of stress she is having a good time, and she is being in the playful mood and even feeling like a flirting a little with the MC. It's so cool that the Ocean is painted the whole picture of the characters feelings and their relations dynamic just with the couple of frames and a little dialogue, it's one of the reasons why SG is the best.

 

[Den1mo]

Pardon, but you still do not counter my argument that Patreon kills creativity and stories. Their "rules", which are enforced quite arbitrarly at times, force those on Patreon to alter their stories. It is not just AVNs, but e.g. crime stories as well. If you are writing a crime/police/detective story, it is clear by design that criminal activities play a role. Still Patreon will kick your ass if things on their forbidden list are in it. Which is a clear headdesk.

none of what you said is true. this part of rules on patreon is written quite clearly. I'm not sure if I can add links to the thread so I'll just copy what you find in guidelines under Violent and Graphic Works category

Prohibited works include, but are not limited to:

• Glorification of violence: Depictions, promotions, or celebrations of violent actions or actors. Examples include, but are not limited to praiseful or sadistic remarks about violent or disturbing works, encouraging others to engage or participate in violence, or showcasing footage of a violent or deadly attack.

• Human abuse: Works glorifying the infliction or aftermath of physical, emotional, psychological, or sexual harm on a person or group leading to suffering, pain, or death. Examples include, but are not limited to non-medical depictions of body parts or fluids, charred bodies, dismemberment, footage recorded during a violent or deadly attack, domestic or intimate partner violence, mass violence, or other physical abuse or torture.

• Animal abuse: Works glorifying the infliction or aftermath of physical, emotional, psychological or sexual harm on an animal or animals leading to suffering, pain, or death. Examples include, but are not limited to animal neglect, mistreatment, or cruelty, staged animal fights, the trafficking of livestock or animal parts, or depictions of animal slaughter outside traditional or standard practices (e.g. food preparation, lawful hunting, the practice of organized religion).

not everything is as gray as you think. it's always about context