VN Ren'Py Summer's Gone [S1 Steam + DLC] [Oceanlab]

[LHDLLB]

Agree about Bella, wouldnt fit her character at all and it would annoy her way too much to play a part in a charade.

I strongly doubt that Nami is more important than Nika, i think they are equal, otherwise Katie and Nojiko talking specifically about him is kinda nonsensical. I think the difference in there treatment (from Noji) is simply because shes more worried about Nika than about Nami.

And yeah i agree Nojiko as a independent player is very unlikely but i could imagine some sort of deal or agreement.

Like maybe Nojiko agreed to raise them - after whatever tragedy happened in the past - but in exchange demanded that the Zane's (and their dangerous/criminal activitiys) stay the fuck away from them until they are adults. It looks more like Nojiko is a former/retired member of the "Zane clan/mafia".

I took the exchange between Katie and Nojiko more like two people who trust/respect/know each other but have a strong disagreement than being enemys of some sort. I think Katie/the Zane's is/are thankfull towards Nojiko.

And yeah the bookclub was awesome imo, so much possbilitys

Well we know that only one of them can be a Zane, Nami is the less problematic choice, she has Leia's earring, Nika we don't have anything other than wild speculation. Does not mean that Nika is uniportant, he is the MC, but between them I think Nami is the one with a past.

I find the idea that Noji raised them in secret to protect them a odd one as well, why Auya was not ? or sasha ? or the first team Rivera?

there are some relation between them and the Zanes and Noji played a part in it. My guess was always William and Leia but now we know this cant be the case, if it ever was. I can't see a reason that I find crediable that explain it all. they have a relation of sorts, both Nami and Nika from different avenues.

Oh I didn't mean like they are enemies, more like allies with different perspective. but Nojiko is the weak part here, if she is opposing Katie I don't she is alone in it. Leia was not there.

 

[BobTheDuck]

so when is summer coming back ? (read when is season 2 out ?)

It's unknown. My guess is somewhere between the end of Feb and the end of April, based on all the factors you can read in Ocean's devlogs, usually posted her by kind people around Thurs/Friday.

 

[rudy007]

Agree about Bella, wouldnt fit her character at all and it would annoy her way too much to play a part in a charade.

I strongly doubt that Nami is more important than Nika, i think they are equal, otherwise Katie and Nojiko talking specifically about him is kinda nonsensical. I think the difference in there treatment (from Noji) is simply because shes more worried about Nika than about Nami.

And yeah i agree Nojiko as a independent player is very unlikely but i could imagine some sort of deal or agreement.

Like maybe Nojiko agreed to raise them - after whatever tragedy happened in the past - but in exchange demanded that the Zane's (and their dangerous/criminal activitiys) stay the fuck away from them until they are adults. It looks more like Nojiko is a former/retired member of the "Zane clan/mafia".

I took the exchange between Katie and Nojiko more like two people who trust/respect/know each other but have a strong disagreement than being enemys of some sort. I think Katie/the Zane's is/are thankfull towards Nojiko.

And yeah the bookclub was awesome imo, so much possbilitys

Agree to about Bella, she doesn't care about "Cougar's pit" and their stories.

About Nojiko, whoever stand behind MC or Nami, they were left to Nojiko, she could be retired member of Zane's, but I think those kids are too important to be raised by some random gang member. She must be close friend of them. Yeah, Nojiko/Katie, I think they aren't on good terms, but it could be some rivalry between them, but I think there is some respect between them.

But Katie being there is hard to believe has something to do with MC, only Nami know that MC probably would be there, nobody else. So, is she told Katie? Or is Katie there for her. I doubt Katie waits behind doors and appear to the club. And she comes rarely there. Or was she there for some other random reason.

I think this is looking alike "The Truman Show", but I very doubt it is.

 

[Krytax123]

Agree to about Bella, she doesn't care about "Cougar's pit" and their stories.

About Nojiko, whoever stand behind MC or Nami, they were left to Nojiko, she could be retired member of Zane's, but I thing those kids are too important to be raised by some random gang member. She must be close friend of them. Yeah, Nojiko/Katie, I think they aren't on good terms, but it could be some rivalry between them, but I think there is some respect between them.

But Katie being there is hard to believe has something to do with MC, only Nami know that MC probably would be there, nobody else. So, is she told Katie? Or is Katie there for her. I doubt Katie waits behind doors and appear to the club. And she comes rarely there. Or was she there for some other random reason.

I thing this is looking alike "The Truman Show", but I very doubt it is.

Katie knew about Nami attending (and thats why Katie was there) but seeing Nika there (to her suprise) showcased her interest in Nika is at least equal to Nami imo.

But Nojiko seems only concerned about Katie interacting with Nika, not with Nami.

Well we know that only one of them can be a Zane, Nami is the less problematic choice, she has Leia's earring, Nika we don't have anything other than wild speculation. Does not mean that Nika is uniportant, he is the MC, but between them I think Nami is the one with a past.

I find the idea that Noji raised them in secret to protect them a odd one as well, why Auya was not ? or sasha ? or the first team Rivera?

there are some relation between them and the Zanes and Noji played a part in it. My guess was always William and Leia but now we know this cant be the case, if it ever was. I can't see a reason that I find crediable that explain it all. they have a relation of sorts, both Nami and Nika from different avenues.

Oh I didn't mean like they are enemies, more like allies with different perspective. but Nojiko is the weak part here, if she is opposing Katie I don't she is alone in it. Leia was not there.

Kinda the same answer as above about the Nika/Nami - Katie relation. It doesnt make sense why Nojiko is concerned about Katie and Nika meeting when Nami is the (main) link.

Nojiko worked together with Helen's sister in a hospital if i remember it correctly (my memory is cloudy about that one) in the past. And yeah i thought Nika is Willy&Leia's kid too in the past, no clue how the connection is now and why they ended up with Nojiko. Maybe both were kids of former Zane allies/friends who died on a zane mission ... doesnt sound too exciting but i really lack explantions for that

Not sure what the last paragraph is supposed to mean? But im pretty sure Katie and Leia are working together (seems like they visited the bookclub the last time together too).

 

[BobTheDuck]

Well we know that only one of them can be a Zane, Nami is the less problematic choice, she has Leia's earring, Nika we don't have anything other than wild speculation. Does not mean that Nika is uniportant, he is the MC, but between them I think Nami is the one with a past.

I find the idea that Noji raised them in secret to protect them a odd one as well, why Auya was not ? or sasha ? or the first team Rivera?

there are some relation between them and the Zanes and Noji played a part in it. My guess was always William and Leia but now we know this cant be the case, if it ever was. I can't see a reason that I find crediable that explain it all. they have a relation of sorts, both Nami and Nika from different avenues.

Oh I didn't mean like they are enemies, more like allies with different perspective. but Nojiko is the weak part here, if she is opposing Katie I don't she is alone in it. Leia was not there.

I mean, all of our theories are speculation, we wouldn't wonder if we had certainty. Going back to what triggered this, Dwight pointing at them could be "ha someone got her good, betcha Bella pranked her" ...which isn't out of character considering he sent dick pics of his schlong with a ribbon to the dean, and rocks a major hangover during the middle of the college day. He's a bit dual natured; mature around Sasha (probably because she's no nonsense, but probably hams it up around guys.

The bookclub conspiracies: we know that Katie knows something about Nika and Nami, and that Noji knows it too. We'll keep circling around these ideas until Ocean slips up revealing a render that tells a thousand words, or the update is out. We've got renders of Noji in her sleepwear talking to Nika and Noji in a bikini talking with Nika, my guess is both are serious talks, so there will be explanations of ...something important. Most likely after visiting Ayua, NIka will be curious about even more.

Noji isn't doing a great job of keeping them secret if she enrolls them in the Zane college. Keeping them secret would be moving state. The returning prince is poor cliche. I really hope it's not that. There might be a conspiracy to protect Nika from what really happened to Summer, which I'm guessing Katie and the Zane's know about - that's a pure hunch though. I believe that because the Zanes are central and Summer is central, at some point Ocean will join those dots. That doesn't mean Nika's story is about those things, they are currents which pull him around while he tries to find balance. The story is less about Nika's parents (which might never be confirmed) than it is about how Nika navigates life dealing with his mental health.

Regarding gangs, Uncle Joe had the gang, Leia had employees and a business with wannabe mafia style habits. But her business is legitimate. Same thing with ZPR, it's a legitimate business. We shouldn't get so caught up in cloak and dagger that we miss the simple concept of these three families might have created a business to monopolise the town. The best crimes aren't illegal, and it could well be that the college is their way to retire legitimately, and fix their messes of the past.

 

[LHDLLB]

Katie knew about Nami attending (and thats why Katie was there) but seeing Nika there (to her suprise) showcased her interest in Nika is at least equal to Nami imo.

But Nojiko seems only concerned about Katie interacting with Nika, not with Nami.




Kinda the same answer as above about the Nika/Nami - Katie relation. It doesnt make sense why Nojiko is concerned about Katie and Nika meeting when Nami is the (main) link.

Nojiko worked together with Helen's sister in a hospital if i remember it correctly (my memory is cloudy about that one) in the past. And yeah i thought Nika is Willy&Leia's kid too in the past, no clue how the connection is now and why they ended up with Nojiko. Maybe both were kids of former Zane allies/friends who died on a zane mission ... doesnt sound too exciting but i really lack explantions for that

Not sure what the last paragraph is supposed to mean? But im pretty sure Katie and Leia are working together (seems like they visited the bookclub the last time together too).

I mean, we don't know why Emoji does not want Nika there, she did not know Katie was going that night, as far as we know maybe she just did not wanted Nika to make the Amber connection or the be in cougars den. Katie interest in Nika could as well be one of simply curiosity, not that i belive all that, but Nami is the only one with any link with the Zanes, Nika has none.

Nojiko worked under Scarlet in the hospital and they get along well. Yeah, was the "logical" conclusion but not anymore, would be more easy now if Nika was not a Zane.

The last paragraph is more I musing over thoughts. If the Zane's have a interest in Nami. given that Nami has one of Leia's earring, would not make more sense to Leia check out Nami ? Why Katie was the forcing a meeting ? Agaist Nojiko wishes ? Is possiblie that Leia and/or William do not want make contact with them ?

 

[Capt. Obvious!]

It's unknown. My guess is somewhere between the end of Feb and the end of April, based on all the factors you can read in Ocean's devlogs, usually posted her by kind people around Thurs/Friday.

So update after 1 year

 

[BobTheDuck]

So update after 1 year

Season 1 was released in May, that was the first time we saw the full reworked material, so if it's before May, it's less than a year. Also, consider that S2 Ch1 is going to be half the render count of the entire 5 chapters Ocean released so far, that means we're getting half the size of a season, potentially within one year, which is quite amazing.

 

[Krytax123]

I mean, we don't know why Emoji does not want Nika there, she did not know Katie was going that night, as far as we know maybe she just did not wanted Nika to make the Amber connection or the be in cougars den. Katie interest in Nika could as well be one of simply curiosity, not that i belive all that, but Nami is the only one with any link with the Zanes, Nika has none.

Nojiko worked under Scarlet in the hospital and they get along well. Yeah, was the "logical" conclusion but not anymore, would be more easy now if Nika was not a Zane.

The last paragraph is more I musing over thoughts. If the Zane's have a interest in Nami. given that Nami has one of Leia's earring, would not make more sense to Leia check out Nami ? Why Katie was the forcing a meeting ? Agaist Nojiko wishes ? Is possiblie that Leia and/or William do not want make contact with them ?

It’s confirmed in the conversation between Nojiko and Katie that Nojiko isn’t happy about Katie and Nika interacting while she wasn’t like that with any of the other women at the bookclub despite her initial reservations about Nika coming along.

She didn’t liked Nika joining the trip but only got really agitated/nervous when she realized that Katie is there to a point of being visibly uncomfortable and other people noticing it.

Imo there’s not a lot to discuss about and it’s plainly obvious that Nami and Nika are equally „important“.

 

[alanrock]

So update after 1 year

 

[LHDLLB]

I mean, all of our theories are speculation, we wouldn't wonder if we had certainty. Going back to what triggered this, Dwight pointing at them could be "ha someone got her good, betcha Bella pranked her" ...which isn't out of character considering he sent dick pics of his schlong with a ribbon to the dean, and rocks a major hangover during the middle of the college day. He's a bit dual natured; mature around Sasha (probably because she's no nonsense, but probably hams it up around guys.

The bookclub conspiracies: we know that Katie knows something about Nika and Nami, and that Noji knows it too. We'll keep circling around these ideas until Ocean slips up revealing a render that tells a thousand words, or the update is out. We've got renders of Noji in her sleepwear talking to Nika and Noji in a bikini talking with Nika, my guess is both are serious talks, so there will be explanations of ...something important. Most likely after visiting Ayua, NIka will be curious about even more.

Noji isn't doing a great job of keeping them secret if she enrolls them in the Zane college. Keeping them secret would be moving state. The returning prince is poor cliche. I really hope it's not that. There might be a conspiracy to protect Nika from what really happened to Summer, which I'm guessing Katie and the Zane's know about - that's a pure hunch though. I believe that because the Zanes are central and Summer is central, at some point Ocean will join those dots. That doesn't mean Nika's story is about those things, they are currents which pull him around while he tries to find balance. The story is less about Nika's parents (which might never be confirmed) than it is about how Nika navigates life dealing with his mental health.

Regarding gangs, Uncle Joe had the gang, Leia had employees and a business with wannabe mafia style habits. But her business is legitimate. Same thing with ZPR, it's a legitimate business. We shouldn't get so caught up in cloak and dagger that we miss the simple concept of these three families might have created a business to monopolise the town. The best crimes aren't illegal, and it could well be that the college is their way to retire legitimately, and fix their messes of the past.

I agree with most of it. Nojiko hiding them from the Zanes does not make any sense. I on the other hand would hate to Summer being the thread that connects it all, Summer always felt more a character bit than a plot point, I don't really care about it outside of how Nika deals with it.
The Returning Prince is a bit cliche, it really only interestest me because I find william and Nika personality to be very different in some aspects and very similiar in others, I think is has potencial to have a good dynamic in a father-son relationship.

Other point that I don't quite agree is the cloak and dagger. I think both stories has plenty of that, Nika plans to make Vanessa have sex with her boyfriend father to destroy their family, a bit silly but is the type of cloak and dagger shit I expect, same goes with the Mila situation and the Nicole character assassination, I think will be plenty of that.

The family thing is much early to say, but I don't think Leia would give up her business, and we get bike in SG as well. If I was to bet, each family is one branch of a operation. Petrova the legal one, Elena is a respect lawyer, the Zanes are the finacial and the Revera the criminal one.

 

[LHDLLB]

It’s confirmed in the conversation between Nojiko and Katie that Nojiko isn’t happy about Katie and Nika interacting while she wasn’t like that with any of the other women at the bookclub despite her initial reservations about Nika coming along.

She didn’t liked Nika joining the trip but only got really agitated/nervous when she realized that Katie is there to a point of being visibly uncomfortable and other people noticing it.

Imo there’s not a lot to discuss about and it’s plainly obvious that Nami and Nika are equally „important“.

Well maybe Katie likes them Young and Fresh with a sparkle of depression and anxiety and she feared that Katie might not hold herself and just ravage poor Nika then and there. Unlikely but a man can dream. I agree that Nika is important, my point is that we don't know Nojiko reasons to be mad at Katie and Nika does not have a clear link with the Zanes as Nami do.

 

[Capt. Obvious!]

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Sorry, but I'm a bella fan....

 

[yossa999]

Sorry, but I'm a bella fan....

Yeah, this is quite a reason to be sorry

 

[BobTheDuck]

I agree with most of it. Nojiko hiding them from the Zanes does not make any sense. I on the other hand would hate to Summer being the thread that connects it all, Summer always felt more a character bit than a plot point, I don't really care about it outside of how Nika deals with it.
The Returning Prince is a bit cliche, it really only interestest me because I find william and Nika personality to be very different in some aspects and very similiar in others, I think is has potencial to have a good dynamic in a father-son relationship.

Other point that I don't quite agree is the cloak and dagger. I think both stories has plenty of that, Nika plans to make Vanessa have sex with her boyfriend father to destroy their family, a bit silly but is the type of cloak and dagger shit I expect, same goes with the Mila situation and the Nicole character assassination, I think will be plenty of that.

The family thing is much early to say, but I don't think Leia would give up her business, and we get bike in SG as well. If I was to bet, each family is one branch of a operation. Petrova the legal one, Elena is a respect lawyer, the Zanes are the finacial and the Revera the criminal one.

I can imagine plenty of ways to make SUmmer stay gone, but be a fixed point that Nika navigates the story by. In my mind, Summer is a direction that he has to walk away from. It's quite easy for her to have impact and to be more than just a starting point without her dominating the narrative. I would hope that Nika uncovers his past and retrieves the parts of himself that he though he lost, not just build himself up from the ground and ignore who he was. I suspect that bringing Nia's story into things, Ocean will have plenty of material with Summer, therapy flashbacks or memories taht NIka comes to terms with, and he grows past those mental issues as he accepts the grief is part of moving on.

I can also imagine scenarios where the Zanes feel guilty for what happened to Nika's parents. What if Vic got the scholarship for the same reason, that the Zane's felt responsible for her being an orphan? That is SG the Zanes try to fix some of the damage they caused by getting to the top?

By cloak and dagger, I don't mean the teenage detective shenanigans, I mean the mafia/gang angle. Yes it's 100% there in WiaB, and we know it's still there in some ways now, but it's not necessarily a major focus of SG. ALso, we don't know how it will be in WiaB. So far it seems more like organised crime than a gang, there's a lot more subtlety to Leia's operations. So yes WiaB has the cloak and dagger and mysteries, SG so far is just Nika's mysteries. The Zanes do have a legitimate business, and Noji might be simply a legitimate doctor.

 

[TheDuke9999]

I can imagine plenty of ways to make SUmmer stay gone, but be a fixed point that Nika navigates the story by. In my mind, Summer is a direction that he has to walk away from. It's quite easy for her to have impact and to be more than just a starting point without her dominating the narrative. I would hope that Nika uncovers his past and retrieves the parts of himself that he though he lost, not just build himself up from the ground and ignore who he was. I suspect that bringing Nia's story into things, Ocean will have plenty of material with Summer, therapy flashbacks or memories taht NIka comes to terms with, and he grows past those mental issues as he accepts the grief is part of moving on.

I can also imagine scenarios where the Zanes feel guilty for what happened to Nika's parents. What if Vic got the scholarship for the same reason, that the Zane's felt responsible for her being an orphan? That is SG the Zanes try to fix some of the damage they caused by getting to the top?

By cloak and dagger, I don't mean the teenage detective shenanigans, I mean the mafia/gang angle. Yes it's 100% there in WiaB, and we know it's still there in some ways now, but it's not necessarily a major focus of SG. ALso, we don't know how it will be in WiaB. So far it seems more like organised crime than a gang, there's a lot more subtlety to Leia's operations. So yes WiaB has the cloak and dagger and mysteries, SG so far is just Nika's mysteries. The Zanes do have a legitimate business, and Noji might be simply a legitimate doctor.

while all your insights are interesting i am 50 years old and at the rate the updates comes out for both WIAB and SG i doubt we will ever know because that is 30 to 40 years away lol

 

[Pl@y3r]

i think Nojiko is solely acting in Nika's interest in this whole thing. i believe she puts Nika's and Nami's interests first like a real mom.

I'm sure Nika wouldn't think being lied to is "in his interest". Lying to "protect" someone is never a good idea. And just like you said

Nojiko will have to come clean soon if she doesnt want to destroy Nika's trust into her imo.

Jenna's statement "Maybe Noji did the right thing after all" suggests that Noji acted against the consensus of whoever else knows what's going on, and makes her seem an independent player. I'm merely suggesting there is no unified conspiracy, there are a bunch of different angle, and where there are different motives it's impossible to keep secrets - the stories won't match up because everyone knows different things.

That book club scene felt like Nika was in the middle of a conspiracy, with most or at least some women there seeming to know something about him, something that Nojiko doesn't want Nika to know. It felt like all eyes where on him.

I ain't trusting nothing that she says so far.

Wouldn't say "nothing" but I don't trust her either. I don't hate her or anything, but if she truly cares about Nika she should tell him everything she knows rather than him finding out on his own.

 

[alanrock]

Sorry, but I'm a bella fan....

Of course, Bella is adorable, kind, and beautiful.

 

[BobTheDuck]

while all your insights are interesting i am 50 years old and at the rate the updates comes out for both WIAB and SG i doubt we will ever know because that is 30 to 40 years away lol

I'm pretty much the same age as you, so don't worry I feel the pain And if you consider that a standard chapter (what Ocean considers a standard chapter at any rate is ~2500 renders for SG, and around ~2000 for WiaB. If he's currently going to pull off 4000 for WiaB and 6000 for SG within a year of SG's steam release, that could mean 2 chapters a year from that point on for both games. Mad optimism from me, but yeah.

I'm sure Nika wouldn't think being lied to is "in his interest". Lying to "protect" someone is never a good idea. And just like you said



That book club scene felt like Nika was in the middle of a conspiracy, with most or at least some women there seeming to know something about him, something that Nojiko doesn't want Nika to know. It felt like all eyes where on him.


Wouldn't say "nothing" but I don't trust her either. I don't hate her or anything, but if she truly cares about Nika she should tell him everything she knows rather than him finding out on his own.

I take the bookclub to be a all kinds of gossip from people who make it their job to know enough to make other people uncomfortable. Or something. I don't think they're a coven scheming away. SUre they know things, but currently it's all things about people they know well. The only moment for me that maybe pushed it further was Jenna's comment, that was the one that stood out as being serious (well other than Katie). I actually think they would have gotten together to read books.

Noji 'lying' to protect him is definitely not going to go well, but he also knows she kept quiet about Nick, and Nami didn't take it well. He knows her well enough to let her explain I'm sure. SOme times (like in the case with not telling Nami about Nick, it's just someone avoiding a hard topic. On face value, Noji has enough on her plate without having to trigger Nika with things that she thinks he's not ready to face, or things she's not ready to deal with.

 

[Pl@y3r]

It looks more like Nojiko is a former/retired member of the "Zane clan/mafia".

Unless she was Emilia's work colleague: