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Without knowing the terms of the lease, you're talking about secret knowledge. As you said yourself:What's a workstation? Hardware. Leasing is almost NEVER cost effective. This is the first time I've even seen it mentioned, or paid it attention at least, but that's a problem unto itself. Things like workstations and pc components hold their value really well, especially these days. My modded hardware sells well above MSRP. You can pretty easily recover 70-80% of MSRP when reselling things like this. Some times you can recover the full value, if properly cared for. Where as with a lease, you tend to pay well over the actual products value with no way to recover any of that expense. Yes, we're talking thousands of dollars, but this is his business. And that's a MASSIVE, unrecoverable expense placed against a massive, yet mostly recoverable expense.
He's not the USFS, the rail road, a farmer, etc who knows that when they're leasing a vehicle, it will be utterly destroyed by the time the lease expires. This is a workstation operating under standard operations.
You can't say you're not a part of the group that receives the excuses while citing them, bud. Just bc you vehemently believe them and see no flaws in his actions, doesn't doesn't mean there aren't issues. There are plenty of people quite literally calling bullshit, when I completely believe him. These are just stupid mistakes that anyone who runs a business should immediately set out to remedy. What we're discussing are things he should actively be researching himself, as I write this, if he hasn't finished doing so already. It's not something he should need me or anyone else to tell him. Yet part of the process is addressing it with his consumers when he resolves it.
I do "this" professionally, as in improve production processes. I've said that before. This is not a hobby for Ocean, he needs to learn and grow, and me having to point out such major fucking issues in the process after so many years... He makes enough that this shouldn't be a problem. Worst case, he gets a small business loan while easily being able to prove that he has a profitable business. His personal credit might be shit, and that would bypass that problem, too. The interest rate on a loan would still be significantly cheaper than a leased workstation.
And if you don't want to discuss these things, just don't. Stop giving your input. You weren't asked for it, but I respect the effort. You have just as much of a right to offer your feedback as I do, but give up the pretense that you hold some secret knowledge about how all of this is necessary. It's not and is easily proven. In my job, if I negatively impact the quality of our product, I'm fired. I'm not suggesting he reinvent the wheel. What I'm suggesting would directly correlate to reduced overheard and reduced dev cycles while having zero impact on the quality of his work.
You don't have to respond to me, you're choosing to. You just can't justify any of the positions you've taken. If you don't want to read the posts, don't. I will provide my feedback where I choose to, not where you want me to. If any of these devs wanted to sit down and have a real conversation about refining their production process, I would oblige. Until then, I will choose where I decide to yell into the clouds. Not you.
So what kind of lease is it? A lease to purchase? A lease with flexible upgrades, replacement in case of failure? There is a reason leases exist for businesses beyond merely the cost, otherwise people would just get the loan and buy outright. There is a service component, and businesses chose what service suits their cashflow.Leasing is almost NEVER cost effective
I do get your point, I buy my business assets outright myself, but there are reasons why the lease model works beyond physical depreciation/wear and tear. Not the least of these is tax offsets depending on the taxation rules where Ocean lives, and how he can claw some of that back.
But unless you have the contract, and Ocean's full financial status in your hand to analyse, your post is hot air.