VN Ren'Py Summer's Gone [S1 Steam + DLC] [Oceanlab]

[byaaahh]

Oh, I haven't played where it all began. Guess it's mandatory to play that for SG. Thanks

They are being developed concurrently, usually with alternating chapter releases. We are expecting a WiaB release in the next couple of months.

Be warned though, it will have you wondering who in SG is related to whom in WiaB.

 

[Mamaragan]

Oh, I haven't played where it all began. Guess it's mandatory to play that for SG. Thanks

It's not. But it's in the same universe, WIAB is set 20 year-ish in the past of SG.

 

[yossa999]

So the biological parents put their children into her care, to raise for in indeterminate period of time. Sounds like the definition of adoption to me. Maybe it wasn't done through the legal system, but it fits the definition to a T.

So every friend of a family who stays for a while with children while their parents are away adopts them? That doesn't work like this. Whatever it might look like - there is not a word about adoption anywhere in the game.

Don't get me wrong, I won't be surprised at all by any absurd decisions on the part of the content distribution platforms, for example they can decide that if a guy doesn't explicitly ask a girl before sex - whether she is of sound mind and agrees to sleep with him without any coercion - then this is a forced sex and should be banned.

Also, at least one parent of Nika is still alive, they've lived in Wollust the whole time, so those are out.

Nah, Nika being a Willie's or Leia's son is a red herring.

We know that they are no longer deemed step-siblings, but the story was conceptualised and released as them being that. No amount of obfuscation will change the fact that Nika and Nami were, by definition, adopted by Noji.

There is no obfuscation there is a change of the original story. There is no fact about the adoption in the game now. As well as Nika didn't put a gun to Marla's head. That didn't happen in the current game.

It probably is likely they were placed in Noji's care for their protection. With William likely being Nika's dad, the gangs likely started targeting people close to Leia because she started stepping on her business. We don't know yet why Nami, who is likely Daphne's daughter, was placed there too.

Speculation upon speculation. None of this was explicitly stated in the game. Sure, you can believe it, but don't be surprised if it turns out to be wrong.

 

[yossa999]

Wo Wo Wo. I have played the game a long time ago, and thought to myself to give it another playthrough before the next update is "probably" dropped in near future. So I decided to read some comments in the thread to see what's what. I DON'T REMEMBER ANYTHING ABOUT A CULT OR GANG BUSINESS OR NAMIS DAD??? What's that about?

It depends how long was that long time ago.
If the last time you've played Nika was waving a gun before Marla's face - many things have changed since then.

The cult and the gang originated from WiAB - now WiAB and SG are more closely connected, but nevertheless, there is no indication in SG that Nika and Nami are somehow connected to this. Everything I wrote is just an example of an explanation made up in a minute from my head as to why they live with Noji, but she did not adopt them.

 

[byaaahh]

So every friend of a family who stays for a while with children while their parents are away adopts them? That doesn't work like this. Whatever it might look like - there is not a word about adoption anywhere in the game.

If the child is left with the friend, for an extended period of time (in the Cyrus' case, 15 years) with no financial support or communication with their child...

Nah, Nika being a Willie's or Leia's son is a red herring.

Wasn't SG announced as being in the "Zane-universe"? Wouldn't make sense for Ocean to reveal that, only for you not to be playing a Zane

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There is no obfuscation there is a change of the original story. There is no fact about the adoption in the game now. As well as Nika didn't put a gun to Marla's head. That didn't happen in the current game.

As I've said, the fact that Noji took in two kids and raised them for fifteen years by herself, with no input from the parents cannot simply be waved away as "it's not adoption, because the script doesn't say it anymore".
Actions speak louder than words and Noji's actions are those of a parent.

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Nap time!

 

[UncleFappy]

As I've said, the fact that Noji took in two kids and raised them for fifteen years by herself, with no input from the parents cannot simply be waved away as "it's not adoption, because the script doesn't say it anymore".
Actions speak louder than words and Noji's actions are those of a parent.

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Nap time!

I always just assumed Noji was their legal guardian, if you're not playing with the i-mod. Noji behaves like their parent because she functionally is one, but that doesn't necessitate her legally or biologically being so. MC and the Cheeto could just be her wards.

 

[byaaahh]

I always just assumed Noji was their legal guardian, if you're not playing with the i-mod. Noji behaves like their parent because she functionally is one, but that doesn't necessitate her legally or biologically being so. MC and the Cheeto could just be her wards.

The whole reason "adoption" was removed from the script was there was to be no blood relation or legal relation between the three, as incest (even step-incest) breaks Patreon's ToS.

Considering a legal guardian is court appointed, that might be a flimsy enough legal relation for Patreon to deem it a violation. You'd have a legal parent and two "wards", which sounds an awful lot like a family unit.

 

[UncleFappy]

The whole reason "adoption" was removed from the script was there was to be no blood relation or legal relation between the three, as incest (even step-incest) breaks Patreon's ToS.

Considering a legal guardian is court appointed, that might be a flimsy enough legal relation for Patreon to deem it a violation. You'd have a legal parent and two "wards", which sounds an awful lot like a family unit.

Oh. Didn't know even adopted-incest was against Patreon rules either. If thats the case, then yeah, legal guardian probably wouldn't work either. Its really just court-adoption after all.

But also, legal guardian doesn't have the same impact as "parent/mom/dad", and it gives that sense of there being a wall between the guardian and ward that isn't familial. Maybe thats enough. I dunno.

Anyways, that was a useless tangent. My bad.

 

[_doodle_]

In 2024.


Even me, with my complete lack of imagination, can come up with several retcon explanations why Noji, Nami, and Nika live together without being related to each other. It may seem far-fetched or implausible to some, but then again, who cares. People are perfectly fine with Spiderman or House M.D., even though both are pure fiction that can’t stand any serious criticism. As long as people like the story and the characters, they’re willing to suspend their disbelief to the maximum.

"but we all know the truth" - It's a fictional story in the making and the author is known for changing it on the fly. We know shit.

Spoiler: Nami S2: no funny business between roommates!

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where did you get these?

 

[yossa999]

where did you get these?

If you mean renders, they're previews from the old dev logs. Just search this post for "Nami"
https://f95zone.to/threads/summers-gone-s1-steam-dlc-oceanlab.29981/post-15864553

 

[CommanderWitcher]

It depends how long was that long time ago.
If the last time you've played Nika was waving a gun before Marla's face - many things have changed since then.

The cult and the gang originated from WiAB - now WiAB and SG are more closely connected, but nevertheless, there is no indication in SG that Nika and Nami are somehow connected to this. Everything I wrote is just an example of an explanation made up in a minute from my head as to why they live with Noji, but she did not adopt them.

Well. I remember the gun scene at the start being removed. I have played the last update, the moment it dropped.

 

[RNasc4444]

If the child is left with the friend, for an extended period of time (in the Cyrus' case, 15 years) with no financial support or communication with their child...

Wasn't SG announced as being in the "Zane-universe"? Wouldn't make sense for Ocean to reveal that, only for you not to be playing a Zane

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As I've said, the fact that Noji took in two kids and raised them for fifteen years by herself, with no input from the parents cannot simply be waved away as "it's not adoption, because the script doesn't say it anymore".
Actions speak louder than words and Noji's actions are those of a parent.

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Nap time!

As much as I love reading these, it's crucial that you realise something here.

yossa999 is arguing from a perspective of someone who knows Ocean and is accustomed to his shenanigans, therefore having enough flexibility to absorb and accept these ideas and notions no matter how ludicrous.

You on the other hand, are arguing from the perspective of someone who, naturally, believes Ocean's writing is bound by logic and common sense. Let me make this clear. It isn't! Trust me, I've been where you are. I've wrecked my brain trying to make sense of this shit. You can't. You have no basis from which to start. There is no immutable notion in Ocean's world. Everything is subject to change AT ANY TIME. What you've known for years to be real, factual and absolute (such as Nojiko's last name for example) can change one day with no warning. With no rhyme or reason. Nothing is set in stone here, everything is in a constant state of flux. Take nothing for granted. Even if you're arguing a point. This why is the disconnect happens. Anyone who's been here from the start has seen so many versions of this game it's not even amusing. And believe me, we will see A LOT more.

This is why this thread becomes repetitive. Why shit like Nami and MC's relationship goes in circles. Round and round and round and round...it never stops. Because Ocean won't stop it. He can't. He has to leave room for retcons. Ocean stating this story is already written always makes me chuckle because we all know that means fuck all! It is more certain that he will tweak his story again in the future than the fact that the sun will rise tomorrow.

So let go of this adoption idea. For all we know there are no social services in the Oceanverse. For all we know you can kidnap a child off the streets and raise them as your own. For all we know your first and last name don't have to be registered and can be whatever you want on any given day. For all we know no one needs a social security number. For all we know tenants don't need to pay rent. Dev's world, dev's rules. Leave reality behind and step into this shitshow with an open mind

 

[RNasc4444]

Even me, with my complete lack of imagination, can come up with several retcon explanations why Noji, Nami, and Nika live together without being related to each other. It may seem far-fetched or implausible to some, but then again, who cares. People are perfectly fine with Spiderman or House M.D., even though both are pure fiction that can’t stand any serious criticism. As long as people like the story and the characters, they’re willing to suspend their disbelief to the maximum.

"but we all know the truth" - It's a fictional story in the making and the author is known for changing it on the fly. We know shit.

 

[Julius Kingsley]

I’ve read what you all said, but isn’t WIAB a game with multiple love interests? So you choose who William ends up with, which means nothing is really set in stone when it comes to who’s the parent of who in Summer’s Gone. Unless there’s one canon ending in WIAB and the rest are just alternate universes where you pick the LI you want… of course, a harem ending would fix all of this.

 

[The Krogan Dude]

therefore having enough flexibility to absorb and accept these ideas and notions no matter how ludicrous.

It's a very polite and sophisticated way to describe a fanboy

 

[RNasc4444]

It's a very polite and sophisticated way to describe a fanboy

Or maybe just a defense mechanism to keep himself sane through Ocean's game development

Idk man honestly I've been further away from yossa's point of view than I am now.

 

[Penfold Mole]

Or maybe just a defense mechanism to keep himself sane through Ocean's game development

Idk man honestly I've been further away from yossa's point of view than I am now.

You said it. It's a game in development, so yes, everything is in flux until it gets fixed in the final release. Or maybe not...

Have you read how J. R. R. Tolkien "developed" his Middle Earth "universe"? Every story of each character was re-written a shit ton of times through several decades until some of them were fixed in The Hobbit...
And then some of them re-written and fixed in a slightly different way in The Lord of the Rings

And some of his stories were never fixed anywhere until his son tacked these stories together somehow in the Silmarillion. Wasn't it described in the introduction part, I kind of remember vaguely? How he found multiple versions of the same story and then multiple versions of another story with some other characters, but the "history" or parts of the story in the first story didn't match the other story and so on.

This is how stories are written. They are in flux until the final version gets published. And sometimes the next story published re-writes some things again.

In Oceans case, the Steam release of a full season seems to be the publishing part that fixes the story in place. Hopefully.

You can either try to cope with it. Or go full retard. Never go full retard, man!

 

[Hobocop Harrier du bois]

You said it. It's a game in development, so yes, everything is in flux until it gets fixed in the final release. Or maybe not...

Have you read how J. R. R. Tolkien "developed" his Middle Earth "universe"? Every story of each character was re-written a shit ton of times through several decades until some of them were fixed in The Hobbit...
And then some of them re-written and fixed in a slightly different way in The Lord of the Rings

And some of his stories were never fixed anywhere until his son tacked these stories together somehow in the Silmarillion. Wasn't it described in the introduction part, I kind of remember vaguely? How he found multiple versions of the same story and then multiple versions of another story with some other characters, but the "history" or parts of the story in the first story didn't match the other story and so on.

This is how stories are written. They are in flux until the final version gets published. And sometimes the next story published re-writes some things again.

In Oceans case, the Steam release of a full season seems to be the publishing part that fixes the story in place. Hopefully.

This right here is what I've been trying to say. The script for an avn game which revolves around sequential updates over a period of time and community feedback should never be taken as concrete events until the story is completed. It will change, there's no question about it. Even in the manga industry the writers keep changing the script when the community somehow cracks the code behind a titular event. I do some part time writing and even though i have a beginning and end in mind, whenever i see a great show or read something really good i go back and re-iterate everything I've written to incorporate what I've learned from the works. Writing is always fluid until the writer is satisfied with his work and releases the final draft.

 

[Dr.TSoni]

I’ve read what you all said, but isn’t WIAB a game with multiple love interests? So you choose who William ends up with, which means nothing is really set in stone when it comes to who’s the parent of who in Summer’s Gone. Unless there’s one canon ending in WIAB and the rest are just alternate universes where you pick the LI you want… of course, a harem ending would fix all of this.

Is there really a choice?

Excuse me, I'm going back to my corner

 

[yossa999]

It's a very polite and sophisticated way to describe a fanboy

As if it's something bad.

Or maybe just a defense mechanism to keep himself sane through Ocean's game development

Idk man honestly I've been further away from yossa's point of view than I am now.

Or maybe it's just the experience of being in a situation where you're developing something and suddenly the requirements change when you're halfway through. So what are your options? Either redo everything or adapt to the new requirements with minimal losses. I wonder what will happen when Steam will follow Patreon in stricter rules for adult content.

Previously, in every second AVN, the MC molested a sleeping step-sister, now it's forbidden. They do it with their roommates now. It really doesn't matter to me much.

I have to admit, I haven't replayed SG for about a year. I still like the game, its story and characters and the storytelling style... And all that... But no developer can expect players' enthusiasm for their game to remain at the same level with such intervals between updates. But that doesn't mean that on the day the update is announced I won't free up a weekend for SG. However, this doesn't only apply to Ocean, I feel the same way about all S-rank games that are updated once every 14 months.

Anyway, why the fuck are we even talking about me? This all started with my innocent comment about how the removal of Nami's borderline lewd content in season 1 wasn't about Patreon rules, it was about Ocean's attempt to squeeze it into a 16+ box. Nami is still a LI, and we'll bang her when the time comes. Analyze this!