VN Ren'Py Abandoned Summer's Gone [S1 Steam + DLC] [Oceanlab]

[Crashbullet]

I'm Ocean

I just visualized this image now.

 

[yossa999]

In at least two different conversations their relationship is described as the exact opposite of what you described.

See, I don't really remember the exact conversations you're referring to. I'm not going to lie, I was more interested in Katie's and Zoey's vajayjays and the chicks at the club than in the details of the Zane family chain of command and etiquette.

But what I do remember is Willie's fears, shared with Miru, about what they (Zanes, Jury) would do to him. And I also remember Dylan's reaction - the hug, the confession of how much he missed him, the request for him to stay with them and not run away again, the scene in the barn. And Helen's note after the attack, saying she would kill Giuseppe if they sentenced Will.

So I guess I'll stick to my delusions about what the real state of relationships between the MC and Helen and Dylan is (and not in Willie's head).

 

[SToyS]

i agreed 100% , we know that Oceans has a very weak writing ability and instead of keeping the story small and tight , he went for a grandiose story about the mafia where all his weaknesses are as prevalent as the sun but as many of us has said for quiet sometime , Ocean will put himself on a corner and that will be detrimental for one of both avns.
Ocean still can right the ship as long he's willing to do so .

talking about something different ...... the fat'em up continues Leia just become another of the blow up dolls and her rita repulsa constume when she's at the bar it's ridiculose

I disagree that Ocean has poor writing skills. When Regium left, Ocean had to leave Wiab and finish SG. For about 2 years, Ocean worked only on SG and during this time he made 3 chapters (2-3-3.5) that were interesting and SG began to rise in the ratings. After that, Ocean decided to do SG and Wiab at the same time, and the updates began to come out shitty and boring. It's not for nothing that people say that you need to focus on one thing to succeed. If you do several things at once, you won't be able to do even one well.

It's not hard to guess what will happen next. If Ocean continues to make 2 games at the same time, then the updates will come out worse and worse until the Patreons are gone. If a miracle happens and Ocean focuses all his attention on SG and temporarily abandons Wiab, then he will have a chance to return the Patreons and attract new ones.

 

[Dr.TSoni]

See, I don't really remember the exact conversations you're referring to. I'm not going to lie, I was more interested in Katie's and Zoey's vajayjays and the chicks at the club than in the details of the Zane family chain of command and etiquette.

But what I do remember is Willie's fears, shared with Miru, about what they (Zanes, Jury) would do to him. And I also remember Dylan's reaction - the hug, the confession of how much he missed him, the request for him to stay with them and not run away again, the scene in the barn. And Helen's note after the attack, saying she would kill Giuseppe if they sentenced Will.

So I guess I'll stick to my delusions about what the real state of relationships between the MC and Helen and Dylan is (and not in Willie's head).

I'm not going to lie, I enjoyed the scenes with Katie, but with a bit of a bittersweet taste since my favorite part is the character and her dynamics.

 

[Penfold Mole]

Hi, Chapter 5 Beta includes 1-4?

Not exactly. The rework of chapter 1 and 2 were incomplete in 5 beta. A part of chapter 2 was completely rewritten after the beta release, not just renders replaced. Lots of things changed in season 1: link to changelog
You can see lots of pre-rework renders there and old versions of scenes that are no longer canon.

 

[Maccabbee]

Does that answer your question?

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I didn't have a question. I don't see anything contradicting my statement.

 

[Maccabbee]

Nope, they are best describing what I've seen.

Because they actually had relationships like sisters have and raised like the ones. Like Tom Hagen and Santino Corleone. I already have a blister on my tongue from repeating this example from The Godfather.
By the way, Tom Hagen was the family consigliere, and Fredo Corleone was just a bratty child, weakest and less capable, although he was Don's own son.

And "Uncle" Joe is superior to them, and he left his business under the supervision of Leia. Not Dylan, Scarlet or Helen.

Can't connect the parts of this statement to get something meaningful.
Yep they're organized crime syndicate.
Yep they're big. In the area they operate.
Yep they have their jury. How it correlates with the size of the syndicate?
Yep size is relative, something can be big, compared to one thing and small, compared to another thing. For example, Zanes family can be influental in Wollust and have no power outside of it. You see any contradictions here?
Gus Fring was a big shot in Albuquerque and nobody, when he was standing in front of Don Eladio.
And why would they want to follow William and bring him back to the Jury if the sentence would be exile out of the state, exactly what he did by himself?
Besides, Helen visited him in prison, so he wasn't that unreachable, it was just that no one needed to reach him.

I agree with almost everything here, except it sounds like all this arguing about the jury seems like you think it's part of the Zane organization? It's not. They talk about other families that used to war between them. There was a treaty, the jury is part of that. The members of the jury are not Zane, they're from the other families. They sound somewhat hostile to the Zanes, and definitely hostile to Leia and William's old families.

Helen and the Zane Family have no choice about bringing William to the Jury, if they don't then it's war. In the family's weakened state they can't afford it. The fact that Helen says she'd do that if they end up exiling or trying to execute William says something.

Helen visited William in prison once. She was his one call. She never went back. It was a shock when we found that out, because Leia didn't know about it at all. We don't know if anyone did. The family didn't seem to know at all. It's more extreme than you're making it out to be.

 

[RNasc4444]

i agreed 100% , we know that Oceans has a very weak writing ability and instead of keeping the story small and tight , he went for a grandiose story about the mafia where all his weaknesses are as prevalent as the sun but as many of us has said for quiet sometime , Ocean will put himself on a corner and that will be detrimental for one of both avns.
Ocean still can right the ship as long he's willing to do so .

talking about something different ...... the fat'em up continues Leia just become another of the blow up dolls and her rita repulsa constume when she's at the bar it's ridiculose

I don't think there can or will be any "righting of the ship" anymore. He will not engage in more reworks. No shot. This is it for better or worse and WiAB is beyond salvation. The only hope we have is that the 20 year gap between stories could insulate SG from the "mafia shit" that's plaguing WiAB.

The inflation won't stop sadly. You've seen how Katie looks now. You've seen that cursed render of Jabba the Mute in a nightgown. Leia looked as disgusting to me as she's always been. Can't say I've noticed any changes there. But knowing it's inevitable and accepting it, kinda makes me curious to see Mila in the coming update. The previews of her already look horrifying

 

[yossa999]

I agree with almost everything here, except it sounds like all this arguing about the jury seems like you think it's part of the Zane organization? It's not. They talk about other families that used to war between them. There was a treaty, the jury is part of that. The members of the jury are not Zane, they're from the other families. They sound somewhat hostile to the Zanes, and definitely hostile to Leia and William's old families.

Helen and the Zane Family have no choice about bringing William to the Jury, if they don't then it's war. In the family's weakened state they can't afford it. The fact that Helen says she'd do that if they end up exiling or trying to execute William says something.

Helen visited William in prison once. She was his one call. She never went back. It was a shock when we found that out, because Leia didn't know about it at all. We don't know if anyone did. The family didn't seem to know at all. It's more extreme than you're making it out to be.

Yeah, that's right, I wrote it wrong, the Jury is not part of the Zanes, I meant that the Jury still only has local power in Wollust, but not outside of it. Like that meeting of New York families where Corleone and Tattaglia, in the presence of everyone, concluded a truce after the assassination attempt on the Don.

 

[Maccabbee]

Yeah, that's right, I wrote it wrong, the Jury is not part of the Zanes, I meant that the Jury still only has local power in Wollust, but not outside of it. Like that meeting of New York families where Corleone and Tattaglia, in the presence of everyone, concluded a truce after the assassination attempt on the Don.

The jury is not in Wollust, it's two hours drive away. They have power over ALL the families, not just the Zanes. The Zanes are now split up into three different cities, and three different gangs. OUR Zanes are in Wallust. The Syndicate (all the families and factions) are presumably huge, nationwide or international.

 

[BobTheDuck]

The jury is not in Wollust, it's two hours drive away. They have power over ALL the families, not just the Zanes. The Zanes are now split up into three different cities, and three different gangs. OUR Zanes are in Wallust. The Syndicate (all the families and factions) are presumably huge, nationwide or international.

International - it's mentioned that Leia and Silvano are the only remaining Pedersoli's 'on the continent'.

 

[yossa999]

The jury is not in Wollust, it's two hours drive away. They have power over ALL the families, not just the Zanes. The Zanes are now split up into three different cities, and three different gangs. OUR Zanes are in Wallust. The Syndicate (all the families and factions) are presumably huge, nationwide or international.

Oh, I missed that point, I thought they were locals from Wollust. Well, then Willie must have hidden well (in prison ) or they really didn't think he was worth finding and punishing.

 

[Lord1]

I'm a bit bad at this but isint Nika, extremely similar to Leia ?

 

[BobTheDuck]

I'm a bit bad at this but isint Nika, extremely similar to Leia ?

Ocean has said that Nika isn't related to any character we've seen so far in WiaB.

 

[Maccabbee]

I'm a bit bad at this but isint Nika, extremely similar to Leia ?

Yeah, a bit. They're both suffering from extremely traumatic events and seem to be dealing with it in very unhealthy ways. Nika seems to want to get better, though.

Nika can be a hateful prick, but he also cares about the few people that he cares about. Leia hasn't really shown that, outside one conversation about Katie in the new update. Leia treats everyone like shit. Nika doesn't treat Noji like shit at all.

 

[Crashbullet]

Leia treats everyone like shit

At least I understand Leia, her parents were killed, given to the family as a prize, why would she love anyone, even her comrade in misfortune abandoned her. And I don't understand the logic of Willie, who returned to this non-family, knowing or not knowing that he would still be judged there (lol). The new logic from the ocean is broken somewhere.
I'll be very happy if all those weapons Leia is saving up for a vendetta.

 

[UncleFappy]

Yeah, a bit. They're both suffering from extremely traumatic events and seem to be dealing with it in very unhealthy ways. Nika seems to want to get better, though.

Nika can be a hateful prick, but he also cares about the few people that he cares about. Leia hasn't really shown that, outside one conversation about Katie in the new update. Leia treats everyone like shit. Nika doesn't treat Noji like shit at all.

Leia does seem to care, but because of the way she overcame William leaving her, she's can't show it like a normal person. Imo, the scheme she's pulling is clearly for the Zanes and their sake. But William leaving taught her to no one can be trusted, not even those you love and those who love you, so she's constantly in "gotta be a tough chick in this tough world" alway-on-defense-with-her-walls-up have-to-do-everything-myself mode.

She's sort of like those parents who run themselves ragged doing everything they can for their families, but they can't bring themselves to open up to them because they feel they have to be that "strong, unbreakable dad/mom", and end up lashing out at the family from being run so ragged and having all that pent up stress. They fuck it all up, when they're really just trying to support the ones they love.

At least thats my read of her.

I figure Leia thinks she's showing tough love to her family. That they should nut up and overcome their hurdles themselves, become strong. You can sorta see that in the girls at her club - its even in the name. In ancient Greece, the Aesculapian snake was used for medicine and healing rituals. Thats one of the things she's doing with the club - taking in girls who have potential, helping and fixing them up, and then building them up to be stronger and useful pawns.

 

[Lord1]

Ocean has said that Nika isn't related to any character we've seen so far in WiaB.

Realy ? I feel he drops many ints about some sort of connection to William and Leia, and he looks extremely similar to Leia and acts a bit like her.

 

[Crashbullet]

Realy ? I feel he drops many ints about some sort of connection to William and Leia, and he looks extremely similar to Leia and acts a bit like her.

Yeah dude, now we have a new mafia reality that we have to accept, I'm still in denial.

 

[Maccabbee]

At least I understand Leia, her parents were killed, given to the family as a prize, why would she love anyone, even her comrade in misfortune abandoned her. And I don't understand the logic of Willie, who returned to this non-family, knowing or not knowing that he would still be judged there (lol). The new logic from the ocean is broken somewhere.
I'll be very happy if all those weapons Leia is saving up for a vendetta.

You just don't get it. Leia and William were raised by the Zanes since they were little kids. Medieval hostages worked the same way. The point isn't just using them as bargaining chips as wedding pawns. Being raised by the Zanes makes them family. They may hate their "family" or love them, but they still think of them as family. They were there before Katie was born. This is the only family that they know. Bonds develop, as you can see even Helen and Dylan feels like William and Leia are theirs.

Even if it's just Stockholm Syndrome, those bonds are just as real as blood relatives have for each other.