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BobTheDuck

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Realy ? I feel he drops many ints about some sort of connection to William and Leia, and he looks extremely similar to Leia and acts a bit like her.
Doesn't matter, they're not related, because the dev has said they're not.
 

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You just don't get it. Leia and William were raised by the Zanes since they were little kids. Medieval hostages worked the same way. The point isn't just using them as bargaining chips as wedding pawns. Being raised by the Zanes makes them family. They may hate their "family" or love them, but they still think of them as family. They were there before Katie was born. This is the only family that they know. Bonds develop, as you can see even Helen and Dylan feels like William and Leia are theirs.

Even if it's just Stockholm Syndrome, those bonds are just as real as blood relatives have for each other.
I like that you also recognize the medieval similarities. I added the "tutelages" of antiquity. Still, one thing is still missing, Helen is a mastermind, so... what happened with that visit to the prison? was there extortion? a promise? an exchange?
 

yossa999

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I like that you also recognize the medieval similarities. I added the "tutelages" of antiquity. Still, one thing is still missing, Helen is a mastermind, so... what happened with that visit to the prison? was there extortion? a promise? an exchange?
mi "Are you sure Helen would mind if you called her Mother again?"
d "Miru... She's a very special kind of person. I don't want to risk it."
d "If you knew what she said to me the last time I had seen her."

Sounds like it wasn't nice at all.
 
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I like that you also recognize the medieval similarities. I added the "tutelages" of antiquity. Still, one thing is still missing, Helen is a mastermind, so... what happened with that visit to the prison? was there extortion? a promise? an exchange?
I have two conflicting opinions. I bear in mind that EVERYONE is afraid of Helen's wrath, including Dylan. She has been described as terrifying, even by criminals.

1. She was so angry at him for leaving and getting sent to jail that she ripped him a new one and left him to rot.

2. The above, but also she was protecting him from the Judges by not telling anyone and having no further contact.
 

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I have two conflicting opinions. I bear in mind that EVERYONE is afraid of Helen's wrath, including Dylan. She has been described as terrifying, even by criminals.

1. She was so angry at him for leaving and getting sent to jail that she ripped him a new one and left him to rot.

2. The above, but also she was protecting him from the Judges by not telling anyone and having no further contact.
I hope its a case of both of those. Thats probably the best case scenario we can hope for.

If she explained herself to William. Vented out her anger, but then explained 2. It would explain why he then chose to stay away (Miru's amazing pussy aside), why he was willing to instantly come back home for her, as well as why he agrees with everyone that him leaving was this big fuck up.
 

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I'm a bit bad at this but isint Nika, extremely similar to Leia ?
Coincidences. Just like young Summer is the spitting image of young Leia. Dev probably ran out of different models and assets for the characters and everyone just ends up looking very, very similar.

Or maybe...at the time they were created, they were supposed to look exactly like they do ;)
 

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You just don't get it. Leia and William were raised by the Zanes since they were little kids. Medieval hostages worked the same way. The point isn't just using them as bargaining chips as wedding pawns. Being raised by the Zanes makes them family. They may hate their "family" or love them, but they still think of them as family. They were there before Katie was born. This is the only family that they know. Bonds develop, as you can see even Helen and Dylan feels like William and Leia are theirs.

Even if it's just Stockholm Syndrome, those bonds are just as real as blood relatives have for each other.
This could be the case if they didn't know, for example, that their parents were dead, I don't know what kind of love there could be for this family, what motives there were to keep them alive, but we get what we get, the ocean didn't analyze this moment deeper, which is why I have the opinion that Willie is just an idiot, and Leia becomes stronger in every sense in order to avoid the Zane family, her motives are not explained at all, she is on her own. What she says about Katie may just be a farce, for manipulation.
Everything I know from history, movies, books, children taken hostage in this way posed the greatest danger to those who took them hostage.
PS And according to Willie, Helen said a lot of bad things to him, and now she's going to kill for him? Some kind of bipolar.
 

UncleFappy

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Reusing models is a myth. They supposed to be related.
Except Katie has dark hair and dyes it white with purple/pink. Amber's spawn, like her, are blondes. It's not rare for blondes to have darker eyebrows.
Oh, not that they're related. Just that Ocean ended up making Katie look so similar to Bella. Katie's antagonist to William just reinforced the similarities. I kept on just seeing her as Bella.
 
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Not exactly. The rework of chapter 1 and 2 were incomplete in 5 beta. A part of chapter 2 was completely rewritten after the beta release, not just renders replaced. Lots of things changed in season 1: link to changelog
You can see lots of pre-rework renders there and old versions of scenes that are no longer canon.
Thanks, so the steam version is more complete than chapter 5 beta
 

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Thanks, so the steam version is more complete than chapter 5 beta
Yes, chapter 5 beta's correct full name would or should be "season 1 beta, chapter 1-5". Season 1 is basically a "season 1 release version" that contains 5 chapters (without counting half chapters).
The next release will be "season 2, chapter 1-2" that will continue from where season 1 was left off, using saves created in the end of season 1.
 
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I don't think there can or will be any "righting of the ship" anymore. He will not engage in more reworks. No shot. This is it for better or worse and WiAB is beyond salvation. The only hope we have is that the 20 year gap between stories could insulate SG from the "mafia shit" that's plaguing WiAB.

The inflation won't stop sadly. You've seen how Katie looks now. You've seen that cursed render of Jabba the Mute in a nightgown. Leia looked as disgusting to me as she's always been. Can't say I've noticed any changes there. But knowing it's inevitable and accepting it, kinda makes me curious to see Mila in the coming update. The previews of her already look horrifying :LOL:
after the WIAB update my fiancee and i , started going thru WIAB again but everytime that Willy and Katie talk , we were using the voices of "Beavis and Butthead" yooooooo ! it became an instant classic.
listening to Willian saying all that stupid shit with Butthead's voice is so freaking funny ! and let's not talk about Katie with Beavis voice.:LOL::ROFLMAO::cool:
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yesterday we added another voice into the mix ...Leia using "Daria's voice".......:LOL::ROFLMAO::cool: we were having a ball at the point that we had to stop because our stomachs hurt.
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another time i'll tell you about our adventure going thru SG but alas "Mystery Science Theater 3000"'
just to give you a glimpse onto that version of SG , we started calling Nika "Mr Pooper" because in latino america Nika/Nica is a potty for kids :LOL::ROFLMAO::cool:
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