VN Ren'Py Summer's Gone [S1 Steam + DLC] [Oceanlab]

[Den1mo]

I know. But you know how it works with Patreon. They don't care. I'm totally sure they don't even look into the content they ban. When enough complains came in or they found something on Discord servers, they just act. Some games were even banned because of fan made mods. I remember there was a game a few years ago where they even argued with tags from F95. Can't say which one anymore because I never played it and just read about it back then, but Patreon does Patreon things. It's a shame though. According to their TOS they had to ban the Bible and Quran because of the content and a lot of work that's considered as world literature. It's modern times and it doesn't help the world is becoming more and more prude.

i also remember devs to whom this happened but in my opinion it's complicated situation for both creator and patreon

imagine owning platform like patreon and someone like payment processors is fucking you in ass to not allow certain types of content. otherwise they will shut you down and you will be bankrupt. what would you do? any rational business owner would go with that. so no i don't think patreon plays any role in this in terms of decision making. they are simply forced to do things they might never do if it wasn't for VISA and all this shit companies

at the same time as creator you know what you should and shouldn't do to avoid getting into trouble. but what is your responsibility for when there are million incest patches flying from one side to other? how hard is it to download them, write one email and send it with accusations to patreon? add few threatening sentences about how you will contact payment processors if patreon doesn't ban creator and you just won

people should look at Steam. company like valve is being bullied by payment processors. who would have ever thought that right? if they can get away with shit like that on steam imagine how much manipulation there must be with patreon. it's not about platform. it's same everywhere and will be same as long as you use visa etc

 

[Tremonia]

imagine owning platform like patreon and someone like payment processors is fucking you in ass to not allow certain types of content. otherwise they will shut you down and you will be bankrupt. what would you do?

That's the good thing I live in a free country where financial corporations and banks can't just force things onto you and/or end a customer relationship. Not when they're so called "essential". In fact you can even force them to take you as a customer. Consumer rights beats almost everything here. But the home of VISA and Mastercard isn't free I guess.

 

[Elduriel]

That's the good thing I live in a free country where financial corporations and banks can't just force things onto you and/or end a customer relationship. Not when they're so called "essential". In fact you can even force them to take you as a customer. Consumer rights beats almost everything here. But the home of VISA and Mastercard isn't free I guess.

and those two are the big ones unfortunately that have a pretty big reach across continents.

 

[Tremonia]

and those two are the big ones unfortunately that have a pretty big reach across continents.

Well, here they've to act after the local laws and they do. The problem is just that Patreon is based where it is, and that's why Ocean has this problem now. VISA and Mastercard couldn't do shit against Patreon here. As long as Patreon don't do things against local laws. But to be fair, it's their law there and Ocean, and every other creator on Patreon, has to respect that when they make an account there. It sucks, because personally I like SG and WIAB, but Ocean knew the TOS.

 

[Holyx9]

I think this has to be some type of error due to the fact SG does not have any lewd scenes in at all. Once it get resolved I am pretty sure the page will come back on Patreon.

 

[Cabin Fever]

Remember, folks, TOS for any and all company is basically lawyer-speak for "if we don't like you, for whatever asinine reason we can dream up, you are gone." Unless you have even deeper pocket than them, going through lawyers to resolve the issue is basically just feeding the same a**holes that helps the opposite side dream up shitty reasons to begin with.

Ocean should take the L and just move on to platforms that still allows him on.

 

[DarkOs31]

Ocean should take the L and just move on to platforms that still allows him on.

Which are?
Steam was a miss.
Patreon also it seems.
Don't get me wrong i really hope SG and WIAB are still developed .

 

[Den1mo]

That's the good thing I live in a free country where financial corporations and banks can't just force things onto you and/or end a customer relationship. Not when they're so called "essential". In fact you can even force them to take you as a customer. Consumer rights beats almost everything here. But the home of VISA and Mastercard isn't free I guess.

Well, here they've to act after the local laws and they do. The problem is just that Patreon is based where it is, and that's why Ocean has this problem now. VISA and Mastercard couldn't do shit against Patreon here. As long as Patreon don't do things against local laws. But to be fair, it's their law there and Ocean, and every other creator on Patreon, has to respect that when they make an account there. It sucks, because personally I like SG and WIAB, but Ocean knew the TOS.

my English is bad. i don't have ability to answer you as i would like so i will use chatgpt to translate (i'm saying this in advance). but almost everything you wrote is wrong. and here's why

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this is world you live in. i agree with you on logical side but law doesn't really work the way you imagine. look at whole situation around avns. everything is happening precisely because payment processors have too much power

 

[Niuul]

I think this has to be some type of error due to the fact SG does not have any lewd scenes in at all. Once it get resolved I am pretty sure the page will come back on Patreon.

You would think so, but sadly WiAB was the one that had the Incest (at the time) and got banned for it.

Patreon guidelines is if someone has multiple pages, which is allowed under their guidelines, they all get taken down for review if one has an infraction. Unfortunately Summer's Gone didn't get taken down and remained operational this entire time. So they've, I'm assuming, finally got around to taking SG down under the rule of 'ban evasion' or something of that nature. Because yes, SG hasn't had incest in it for a good while now. It was rewritten that they're both adopted and not in any way blood related. Also the fact there's zero sex scenes. So it hasn't broken anything on their ToS.

This is all due to WiAB and Ocean being the owner of both on patreon. Whether it'll get fixed remains to be seen but it's not looking good from an outsiders perspective. Especially with the page saying 'Removed' not 'Under review'.

 

[PieroI]

patreon has also started to look at here, if someone added the incest tag here, patreon will see that and remove it from there page. already happen to other Devs

 

[Gelinhogelado]

Has Ocean made any statement yet?

 

[Massagecook01]

You would think so, but sadly WiAB was the one that had the Incest (at the time) and got banned for it.

Patreon guidelines is if someone has multiple pages, which is allowed under their guidelines, they all get taken down for review if one has an infraction. Unfortunately Summer's Gone didn't get taken down and remained operational this entire time. So they've, I'm assuming, finally got around to taking SG down under the rule of 'ban evasion' or something of that nature. Because yes, SG hasn't had incest in it for a good while now. It was rewritten that they're both adopted and not in any way blood related. Also the fact there's zero sex scenes. So it hasn't broken anything on their ToS.

This is all due to WiAB and Ocean being the owner of both on patreon. Whether it'll get fixed remains to be seen but it's not looking good from an outsiders perspective. Especially with the page saying 'Removed' not 'Under review'.

I'm so sorry to inform you but under patreons TOS even adopted sexual realtions is a no no even if it's naked in a hot tub or making out it's still incest to them ,So nami and nika doing those thing is against TOS. And no patreon has no personal issue with Ocean he fucked around and found out as they say.

 

[Radon-]

To be clear, nothing about the ban indicates that it has anything to do with payment processors, it seems to be only related to his WiaB ban.

Ocean claims he still doesn't know the exact reasons why the WiaB patreon got nuked, and thats where he's trying to challenge the ban. The OGs might correct me on this, but to my knowledge the WiaB patreon got banned after the family relationships had already been removed, so it is not clear exactly why it got banned. He hasn't contested it before because his lawyer suggested him not to, due to high legal costs, but he will now consult his lawyer again as to what can be done.

And for the people asking what's going to happen to the game, here's what he said:

 

[Miranha157]

Dude, they called me just to let me know that Ocean's Patreon has gone down, is that true? I'm pretty far away from these things because of college.

Now he will start to value his audience, he will no longer censor the game's story and much less change what was already defined, sad for us who will have to wait longer for the next updates.

 

[Massagecook01]

Now he will start to value his audience, he will no longer censor the game's story and much less change what was already defined, sad for us who will have to wait longer for the next updates.

Someone said Ocean said we will have to wait even longer now for a updates, imagine that 1 year and 10 month is not long to him it's short. Now everyone is blaming Patreon for his ban he did not get the hint from Patreon with WiaB, So now maybe he will get it don't fuck with the platform that pays your bills do as they say and everything will be fine. But some people have to learn the hard way too bad for the fans maybe they will learn to be humble now.

 

[Niuul]

Someone said Ocean said we will have to wait even longer now for a updates, imagine that 1 year and 10 month is not long to him it's short. Now everyone is blaming Patreon for his ban he did not get the hint from Patreon with WiaB, So now maybe he will get it don't fuck with the platform that pays your bills do as they say and everything will be fine. But some people have to learn the hard way too bad for the fans maybe they will learn to be humble now.

Gotta wonder if he'll put one of the games on hold if worse comes to worse. He either works on both at an even slower pace or just one to maintain the current update cycle. In either case people will be upset but to see the completion of one game at the very least, he'd do well to put one or the other on pause.

 

[_doodle_]

i havent caught up on this thread in MONTHS..can someone update me? so far ive seen something about his patreon getting nuked? and now he has to get a job or something?

 

[BobTheDuck]

He lost a huge part of his income.

He's punishing players cause he's frustrated.

You really think that? He's simply got to find a day job, which means AVN development gets pushed into after hours only. It's like getting fired, and not being able to pay rent/mortgage/lease.

First he's going to see what he can do about any grounds for unfair dismissal, which would be hard and expensive to prove through international law, but before his bank account is debited too heavily from the leases and recurrings he's got, he'll have to find a way to pay for human things, like tiolet paper, water, rent, electricity, deodorant.

He's got bigger issues to deal with than delaying. Putting season 2 out today if it was ready would be a massive cash boost right now. Delay is something that will hurt him until he resolves whatever can be resolved. He's simply going to look for the lowest cost way to move forward, so he can do stuff like eat and turn on the computer in a months time.

Gotta remember, if they've deleted his account, any pending monies are likely gone, refunded.

i havent caught up on this thread in MONTHS..can someone update me? so far ive seen something about his patreon getting nuked? and now he has to get a job or something?

Exactly that. And people are winding up conspiracies with no information. Dude's probably asleep, or stress drinking coffee right now.

 

[Ray_D]

So... with patreon gone, can we get Sister Nami back now. Please.

(FYI, I know it probably won't happen unfortunately, but one can hope)

Do you want another remake to fix that again?

 

[Trojaner]

Do you want another remake to fix that again?

Well ... look at Steam for example ... The Released Version had no Titties anymore from Nami right, after a while we got the Tittie scene back ... But now if ya look in the latest Steam Version the Titties are GONE again. So ... not only Summer's Gone ...