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Roz looking surprisingly good when her mouth isn't locked in a catfish frown.
Yeah, I'm into grannies. Come at me.
Yeah, I'm into grannies. Come at me.
Ren'Py Summertime Saga [v21.0.0 wip.4468] [Kompas Productions]
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It is interesting to me is how this point is constantly mentioned considering it seems as the art is never the bottleneck.
I don't think he would like to increase the speed at all. He is getting paid good money every month and as long as that does not change why would he want that check to stop coming every month? Also I do not understand why everyone talks about getting other artist so often considering that seems to be the first thing that is finished every update.
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Well, it's not really been a month but ~7 weeks in Mia's case (between 0.13 on 21st of august and 0.14 on 13th october) and the update is still regarded as one of the worst within the community. It had fewer sex scenes with few frames, no(?) minigames, a simpler story with less interactions etc.
So I'd somehow like to see something better to be convinced. Everything else is of course up to you. While I personally didn't like the teacher's update that much either, I'd say Roxxy's update was by far the best until now.
Art is the absolute and so to say final bottleneck over time and the only one that really matters. Everything else only changes the speed between updates but doesn't change the overall pace of the development. Right now DC draws for 0.18 already so it doesn't really matter in the end if the other devs take a few weeks longer or not to pose and code for 0.17. If DC needs let's say 4 years to draw all the art, then the game will need ~4 years to be done.
So right now there's no need to even think about hiring more coders or posers since they'd be sitting around half of the time.
I think it helps to know that right now DC does almost nothing else but drawing and outlining the story. Dialogs are written by others, coding and posing is done by others, the HP is done by others and most of the administrative stuff is done by his wife.
Edit: Of course it would be nice to get the release a few days after the art is finished but I personally see that as a luxury, especially since it would mean that we'd have to wait that same amount of time longer to get the next update.
Eh, yes and no, you have to remember that almost everything else is dependent on the art being done first.
Seeing as Missy appears to have a crush on you from the get-go, not being able to date her is pretty crummy. Seeing how she feels about you makes her way hotter.
Guess we'll see how much there is to her when the roadmap for the whole game comes out.
- Jun 5, 2017
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I agree 100%, we need a lot more Missy content.
It's not like more tasks haven't been added to prior versions...
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DC is the only one who cant be replaced right now, why does he have to find another artist. Maybe finding another one could raise the donate a little bit but it will certainly decrease the pay rate of DC pretty much. Most of patreons are satisfied with the speed at this moment and DC is trying to make a better rig system which would increase the speed in the future without help from other artist. 3 month update is ok, if u cant bear it, I think u seem addict to it and this is adult game, maybe it s not good for ur health.
Every update the art is done well before everything else. Adding another artist would do nothing to increase development considering the art is already the first thing completed.
That is true to a certain point. I have never done this type of development but the time between the art being finished and the new version being released it seems they are doing more then replacing some placeholders and finishing up some animations. I could be wrong and the dev can do it however he likes, it's his game. I just don't think the art is the real bottleneck.
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Of course just hiring an artist wouldn't help either but the point that you'd need an artist first, before you can hire more coders and posers.
Yes, art is done before everything else per update, but right when it's done the work for the next update starts. Right now the art is done and 0.17 will be out in 2 or 3 weeks. In that time DC works on 0.18 art so when 0.17 drops, the coders and posers have something to work on right away. So what I'm saying is, that the updates can't be released faster than DC is drawing. If he needs 3 months to draw the art for 0.16, 0.17 and 0.18 each, then the time between those updates won't be shorter than 3 months, no matter what coding and posing is doing.
Edit: Your example would of course be true if DC would be coding himself or stop working between the art being done and the release of that update but that's not the case.
The art is done first, because you can't do the rest without it. How do you pose art that isn't there? You can't code art that isn't there...
Placeholders only go so far, you cannot do precision work, without the actual art. I am starting to do this kind of work, and it is very difficult to work without art.
It is not as if he does all the art and only then passes it along so they can then start working on everything else. All I am saying is when there is 3-4 weeks between him finishing the last piece of art and the release of a beta it is not as if the other people on the team are nipping at his heals.
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But the question is, if those few weeks are worth spending money on? Especially since it's a one time effect. As said, the update can't be done faster than the art is drawn and if 0.17 would drop right now we'd save 3 weeks now but 0.18 still wouldn't come earlier on that relativ scale. It's basic logic.
Both of your points would be very valid if DC did all the art and then didn't give it to his team until everything is finished but that is not how it is done. Which is why I said I don't think the art is the real bottleneck. Look at it this way. If he was the bottleneck when he passes along the last piece of art that should be the only thing left to really implement (not including routine polish and testing) into the game and I can't imagine that would take 3-4 weeks.
Well it would come earlier obviously as they would be right up against him. They would be getting .17 out faster in a few days and be on the way to 0.18. As you said he has already moved on to the next update. What I said was adding another artist alone would not speed anything up. I have also said I don't think he wants to move faster and doesn't want to put updates out faster. He has people giving him a lot of money every month at the pace he is moving now and I would think he wants to keep doing that as long as he can. People tend to like money.
