Ren'Py Summertime Saga [v21.0.0 wip.4468] [Kompas Productions]

[ffive]

Yeah, imagine either putting wincest on 3 girls for mostly nothing or risking losing the entire Patreon page cause you put wincest on 3 girls. Tough choice indeed

Imagine figuring out configurable relationships left up to the player to fill, something many other devs somehow managed to implement in their Patreon-approved games.

 

[itsyeboii]

Yeah, imagine either putting wincest on 3 girls for mostly nothing or risking losing the entire Patreon page cause you put wincest on 3 girls. Tough choice indeed

Are you for real??? There's so many games that have the landlady angle or the choose your relationship option without any issue. Literally no one is expecting DC to blatantly put incest into the game, just more "house" content so other people can patch it into it's intended form.

 

[Omnikuken]

Imagine figuring out configurable relationships left up to the player to fill, something many other devs somehow managed to implement in their Patreon-approved games.

So what stops you or any1 around here to call them mom/sis when you start a new game ?

Are you for real??? There's so many games that have the landlady angle or the choose your relationship option without any issue. Literally no one is expecting DC to blatantly put incest into the game, just more "house" content so other people can patch it into it's intended form.

Intended form that lasted a bit more than a year

 

[itsyeboii]

So what stops you or any1 around here to call them mom/sis when you start a new game ?
Intended form that lasted a bit more than a year

Calling them mom/sis is a half assed solution, other characters call them mom/sis as well, even themselves, and Diane doesn't even have that option.

Intended form that lasted a bit more than a year

Way to ignore the actual point. But even your strawman doesn't make sense. Debbie and Diane are literal twins, MC looks like both of them and so does Jenny and Debbie's relationship with MC's father makes way more sense as mommy and daddy rather than a "very good friend". So yes, it's safe to say it is the intended form.

 

[j4yj4m]

Imagine figuring out configurable relationships left up to the player to fill, something many other devs somehow managed to implement in their Patreon-approved games.

Which honestly isn't really a good thing, because you almost completely rely on the player to get these relationships 100% right or you'll ruin your own game - unless you implement illegal background mechanics which put a few things right, of course. I still recall playing "Light of my life" for the first time and to me it felt really off on default, so I actually had to restart the game to add the incest because it seemed kinda stupid without it.

A proper patch is certainly the preferable solution, as everything else is usually just not as good.

Literally no one is expecting DC to blatantly put incest into the game, just more "house" content so other people can patch it into it's intended form.

Let's be fair, there were quite a few polls in which characters like Debbie simply lost to others. It's hard to argue that players want that kind of content so badly, when only so few people are voting for it. Debbie literally came 5th in the 0.23 poll behind Judith, the Coach(!), Roxxy and Mia, while she indeed came in last in the poll which chose the content for 0.20.
So it's not like it wasn't on offer several times, people just didn't want to see it.

 

[itsyeboii]

Let's be fair, there were quite a few polls in which characters like Debbie simply lost to others. It's hard to argue that players want that kind of content so badly, when only so few people are voting for it. Debbie literally came 5th in the 0.23 poll behind Judith, the Coach(!), Roxxy and Mia.
So it's not like it wasn't on offer several times, people just didn't want to see it.

I know and I wasn't arguing they were popular demand. I'm arguing that people who want incest content don't expect DC to add blatant incest but to add non-incest house content like every other dev does and we can then download a patch.

EDIT: the poll results of Patrons don't necessarily reflect what the community wants. High paying Patrons get more votes and most of the Patrons pay less than the amount that lets them vote once, let alone multiple times. So it's really up to a small percentage of fans to decide content.

 

[13mpty]

what are the new scenes?

 

[j4yj4m]

I know and I wasn't arguing they were popular demand. I'm arguing that people who want incest content don't expect DC to add blatant incest but to add non-incest house content like every other dev does and we can then download a patch.

Well, it's happening at times, at least. Then again, characters like Jenny have simply reached a point where there's objectively enough content and where they don't really need that anything else.

But yes, it's indeed true that popluar demand kinda shaped this whole discussion. At first incest was pretty popular and as such quite a few updates focussed on the family because of that. It caused some people think that SS was actually about incest, when it was never really intended to be that way in the first place.

 

[Stil996]

Let's be fair, there were quite a few polls in which characters like Debbie simply lost to others. It's hard to argue that players want that kind of content so badly, when only so few people are voting for it. Debbie literally came 5th in the 0.23 poll behind Judith, the Coach(!), Roxxy and Mia, while she indeed came in last in the poll which chose the content for 0.20.
So it's not like it wasn't on offer several times, people just didn't want to see it.

lets be fair, saying that she came low in the polls doesn't mean shit, it just meant people didn't want her the way she was currently written, without the taboo angle Debbie is boring as shit, she needs to be forbidden fruit to be interesting, there needs to be reluctance/shame to add flavour to her story.

Just my two cents

 

[MSG]

what does Pre-Tech mean?

 

[itsyeboii]

Well, it's happening at times, at least. Then again, characters like Jenny have simply reached a point where there's objectively enough content and where they don't really need that anything else.

But yes, it's indeed true that popluar demand kinda shaped this whole discussion. At first incest was pretty popular and as such quite a few updates focussed on the family because of that. It caused some people think that SS was actually about incest, when it was never really intended to be that way in the first place.

Sorry but I just don't see how incest isn't a main selling point for SS. Like I previously said, it's clear that the house is still intended to be incest because alikeness of the characters and the context of their relationship to each other. The main quest revolves around finding out about your dad, who is family and is directly tied to Debbie and Jenny. SS still has a lot of the tropes many incest focused games have. Sure, incest isn't the sole focus but it sure as hell is an important part of the game.

About the popular demand I added this, which is a good counter point imo
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EDIT: the poll results of Patrons don't necessarily reflect what the community wants. High paying Patrons get more votes and most of the Patrons pay less than the amount that lets them vote once, let alone multiple times. So it's really up to a small percentage of fans to decide content.

And Stil996 makes a good point as well.

 

[ffive]

So what stops you or any1 around here to call them mom/sis when you start a new game ?

The writing in the game which quite explicitly contradicts such concept, by painting different relationships between characters in question.

 

[The Naizuri Guy]

Oh boy, a new update. Can't wait to filter through all the toxic comments trying to find actual useful information on the new content.

 

[j4yj4m]

Sorry but I just don't see how incest isn't a main selling point for SS. Like I previously said, it's clear that the house is still intended to be incest because alikeness of the characters and the context of their relationship to each other. The main quest revolves around finding out about your dad, who is family and is directly tied to Debbie and Jenny. SS still has a lot of the tropes many incest focused games have. Sure, incest isn't the sole focus but it sure as hell is an important part of the game.

Sure, it's a somewhat important part of the game, but it's not what the game is about. We aren't talking about games like DMD or let's say Light of my life, where the incest is basically the main driver of the game and where the game makes way less sense without it. In these cases I could totally understand that people would be upset, if the incest was to be taken lightly. In SS's case on the other hand it's just one fetish among many.

As some kind of thought experiment one could just remove any trace of Debbie from the game and hardly anything would change in the big picture. Her story and the incest would basically be gone, but everything else would be just as before.

lets be fair, saying that she came low in the polls doesn't mean shit, it just meant people didn't want her the way she was currently written, without the taboo angle Debbie is boring as shit, she needs to be forbidden fruit to be interesting, there needs to be reluctance/shame to add flavour to her story.

And Stil996 makes a good point as well.

I think these points excatly show why SS isn't an incest game. Even back in the days when there was real incest, everything was pretty superficial at best. There never was an elaborated taboo angle which went beyond a few basic plot points. Jenny and Diane never really gave a fuck in the first place and in Debbie's case the resistance is just about as big as it had to be, to be credible, where she essentially gives in almost right away and just goes with it after that, as does everybody else. Yes, it ticks important boxes here and there, but that's more or less it?

Edit: It's by the way just the same as with most other fetishes. SS is good at including a lot of them, but neither is actually really elaborated. You like pregnant stuff? Sure, but you'll only get a few sex scenes and no real connecting story content. You like trans content? Yes, there's Eve but she won't fuck MC. You like hotwifing? Yes, there's Tony, but it's the most basic plot imaginable. You like BDSM? Yes, there's a nun who is going to spank someone a few times, but that's it. And so on...

 

[Deathdawg]

I am sorry if this isn't the right area to post this but I have a two part question ...
Did they do something to the scripts that you can no longer use console? i changed the file and yet I can not open the console?
Is it possible to use save edit online to change money amount? I have yet to find the value

 

[Deleted member 247635]

what does Pre-Tech mean?

Haha, it's exactly what it means! it the pre-tech before the tech update. duh!

 

[itsyeboii]

Sure, it's a somewhat important part of the game, but it's not what the game is about. We aren't talking about games like DMD or let's say Light of my life, where the incest is basically the main driver of the game and where the game makes way less sense without it. In these cases I could totally understand that people would be upset, if the incest was to be taken lightly. In SS's case on the other hand it's just one fetish among many.

I think these points excatly show why SS isn't an incest game. Even back in the days when there was real incest, everything was pretty superficial at best. There never was an elaborated taboo angle which went beyond a few basic plot points. Jenny and Diane never really gave a fuck in the first place and in Debbie's case the resistance is just about as big as it had to be, to be credible, where she essentially gives in almost right away and just goes with it after that, as does everybody else. Yes, it ticks important boxes here and there, but that's more or less it?

Edit: It's by the way just the same as with most other fetishes. SS is good at including a lot of them, but neither is actually really elaborated. You like pregnant stuff? Sure, but you'll only get a few sex scenes and no real connecting story content. You like trans content? Yes, there's Eve but she won't fuck MC. You like hotwifing? Yes, there's Tony, but it's the most basic plot imaginable. You like BDSM? Yes, there's a nun who is going to spank someone a few times, but that's it. And so on...

I don't think SS is an incest game at heart but I do think incest is one of the main draws this game has. What sparked this discussion was someone saying this is one of the best incest games ever and someone else responded that this game kinda left incest in the left field which is a shame because there's more to be explored and the house cast is the most important when it comes to the main story, you also interact with them the most since they're at your house lol. I wouldn't call this an incest game myself but I'm not going to say that incest doesn't play a big part in it.

And I completely agree with your point that SS includes fetishes but doesn't elaborate on them. It's so annoying, it almost feels like getting teased. However, incest actually gets followed through unlike most other things in SS.

 

[j4yj4m]

I don't think SS is an incest game at heart but I do think incest is one of the main draws this game has. What sparked this discussion was someone saying this is one of the best incest games ever and someone else responded that this game kinda left incest in the left field which is a shame because there's more to be explored and the house cast is the most important when it comes to the main story, you also interact with them the most since they're at your house lol. I wouldn't call this an incest game myself but I'm not going to say that incest doesn't play a big part in it.

I think the point here essentially is, that the house cast is excatly where they were always supposed to be. There weren't any great plans which were frustrated by patreon. Sure, Debbie is going to get a rework at some point, but it doesn't seem like there are some hidden plans to suddenly expand her story significantly. If somebody thinks that her story is kinda bland and somewhat boring now, he probably won't like it in it's final, reworked state, either.

However, incest actually gets followed through unlike most other things in SS.

Does it really, though? I mean sure, they are obviously heaving sex, because that's what the game is about. But I don't think that anybody who regularly plays and prefers actual incest games would (have) rated SS in his top 5 or so when it comes to actual incest story content. But maybe that's just me.

 

[itsyeboii]

I think the point here essentially is, that the house cast is excatly where they were always supposed to be. There weren't any great plans which were frustrated by patreon. Sure, Debbie is going to get a rework at some point, but it doesn't seem like there are some hidden plans to suddenly expand her story significantly. If somebody thinks that her story is kinda bland and somewhat boring now, he probably won't like it in it's final, reworked state, either.

Well it's just a prefernce for me to have the house cast + Diane get more content because they're the core of the game for me. I mean honestly, all characters in SS are bland. It's a very safe, vanilla and bland game in general. So the incest aspect of it is the most interesting for me. Same with giving Maria a child for example. Not saying the rest of the game can't be exciting, but I feel a lot of time and resources went into these even more bland characters that don't add much.

Does it really, though? I mean sure, they are obviously heaving sex, because that's what the game is about. But I don't think that anybody who regularly plays and prefers actual incest games would (have) rated SS in his top 5 or so when it comes to actual incest story content. But maybe that's just me.

Yes it does, it's not the best incest shit out there that's for sure, but that's more because SS is a very surface level game, I'd rather have way more committed incest action as well but it is what it is. At least it actually happens instead of being teased like with the trans, BDSM, pregnancy, whatever I can't think of right now content.

 

[Omnikuken]

I am sorry if this isn't the right area to post this but I have a two part question ...
Did they do something to the scripts that you can no longer use console? i changed the file and yet I can not open the console?
Is it possible to use save edit online to change money amount? I have yet to find the value

Console is locked so you don't fuck up the game (just like rollback). And you could have started with cheat mode if you wanted $. Now you either grind it out or use the phone menu (which could fuck your game if you dunno what you're doing)