- Aug 30, 2016
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which sunday tho? x'D
btw, am i petty for hoping it gets delayed for atleast a week because im gonna be without a working computer for that long? :'D
Ren'Py Summertime Saga [v21.0.0 wip.4468] [Kompas Productions]
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btw, am i petty for hoping it gets delayed for atleast a week because im gonna be without a working computer for that long? :'D
- Dec 22, 2016
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He does have a commitment, everyone on the team is working really hard to get it out ASAP, as soon as it is complete it will be published. I'm not saying everybody is perfect, however saying that this is a lack of work ethic is just plain false.
No. There are no personnel issues, no exams, just lots of work to complete. You can see the latest Patreon update to see why there is additional work (unexpected extra scenes and animations).
- Jan 11, 2017
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- Apr 8, 2017
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So we are at the point where we feel grossly entitled to complain about someone who does something free and who happens to receive money for that. Money freely given with no string attached whatsoever?
i also don't understand why posing scenes takes so long, but dc is not at fault here. at worst, he didn't find the right people to get the job done. but come on guys. dc streams EVERY DAY. for reference, sunsetrider streams maybe once a week, if that. most patreons stream nothing. there should be no question about his work ethic. you can literally watch him work. he's excellent at feedback and if you ask him questions about the game he will tell you. shame on you guys who are complaining about a project you don't even contribute to.
the upcoming one, 21.
how do you know that?
really i did write a huge babble on that one, but it's useless. won't help the case.
but the question is still there.
Then why even give guesstimates.
ver 0.1 will be released someday
ver 0.2 will be release when the sky turns grey
etc
If you're a free artist an "artisan" don't tease people with all that BS. Just do what you do, how do you wanna do it and when you want it and watch the money flow reflections.
Just to note: the man quit his regular day job, right? I will quit mine only and only when it will give me slightly more income and i will feel it's quite long-term and secure.
Lol, just think of the fact SS will be done in the next 6 months. DC will either start smth new or will get a freelance/office job. And what will be in his CV: i did a smut game where you get to play a boy that can fuck his mom, sister aunt, and all of the at once.
Working for "patreons" is counterpart to giving you agility incentive. I don't wanna be rude, it's just the way it is.
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- Jan 11, 2017
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Well it feels like it,yes.
Oh yes defence force has arrived
Im pretty sure some percentage of those almost 4k ppl are pretty pissed that it takes him such a long time to release a game, im one of those who stopped supporting him when he said that it come X day but it come in Y day(second time if i believe), and well we pointed it out , he removed those comments and that's pretty much means if people pay money most of time they not only want to "support" the creator but get something from it too.
- Dec 22, 2016
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If you were to watch the streams you'd see the amount of content being produced every day. Also if you hung out on their discord and talked with the developers you'd see they're on top of things and working hard discussing issues with previous builds, saying what has been fixed etc.
- Aug 5, 2016
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Lmao at this thread.
I'll tell you this and believe me I'm more sure of what I'm about to say than anything in my life. There isn't a single game developer that works as hard as DarkCookie. All I hear is complaints about a release that had no date not coming out on time... So how tf is it not on time if it didn't even had a planned date? As a mod I probably shouldn't be saying this but I seriously laugh at you guys, who barely complain when a 3DCG RPGM game comes out with 2-3 scenes,even worse you glorify it as it's the best thing ever, meanwhile this dude is putting actual imagination, actual work, actual art into his game and you complain for having 20-30 mins of gameplay.
This dude is the most professional developer out there and I dare any of you to prove me wrong. He constantly works on developing new ideas, new characters, new art while most of the other shitty devs, that you guys praise, spend more time waiting for their pc to render their shitty ass image from a model they didn't create than actually creating a game, which is also fucking easy because they are using an engine that is the most basic crap there is... and you think DC isn't working hard. Oh and for the guys saying that he is only working those 2 hours, you're totally clueless.
Seriously no fucking words. Enjoy your shitty ass rpgm games I'll enjoy professional work ethics, professional art, professional design and a professional developer.
I'll tell you this and believe me I'm more sure of what I'm about to say than anything in my life. There isn't a single game developer that works as hard as DarkCookie. All I hear is complaints about a release that had no date not coming out on time... So how tf is it not on time if it didn't even had a planned date? As a mod I probably shouldn't be saying this but I seriously laugh at you guys, who barely complain when a 3DCG RPGM game comes out with 2-3 scenes,even worse you glorify it as it's the best thing ever, meanwhile this dude is putting actual imagination, actual work, actual art into his game and you complain for having 20-30 mins of gameplay.
This dude is the most professional developer out there and I dare any of you to prove me wrong. He constantly works on developing new ideas, new characters, new art while most of the other shitty devs, that you guys praise, spend more time waiting for their pc to render their shitty ass image from a model they didn't create than actually creating a game, which is also fucking easy because they are using an engine that is the most basic crap there is... and you think DC isn't working hard. Oh and for the guys saying that he is only working those 2 hours, you're totally clueless.
Seriously no fucking words. Enjoy your shitty ass rpgm games I'll enjoy professional work ethics, professional art, professional design and a professional developer.
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- Nov 8, 2016
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We would all like to be playing the new update now and it's frustrating to have to wait but don't judge DC too harshly, he is probably just as impatient to release the update as we want to play it. In the end it's a testament to how good his game is if people are getting that excited for it.
I'm saying it all over again in this theard. You guys are shitting on creator, who does the most of the work from all of them. What should he make more? I just don't know, what does he do wrong? Can someone of these haters tell me?
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- Jan 11, 2017
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Im not a hating on anyone just a criticism and u can quite literally read what was said earlier in thread whats the problem of the game ,if u cant be bothered well that on ur side.
Perhaps is it a generational issue, I do feel that you have obligations to people even if you are not getting paid. Word is bond, meeting expectations, etc. Now to be fair to DC, I have only just found this game so he may well not be guilty of anything and may not of made any promises. I am only responding to the question in the bigger picture aspect.
While there is indeed a lot of unfair criticism on the forums, there is also this attitude that you do not have the right to criticize anyone on Patreon, because you are donating. Criticism is absolutely a right and can be justified regardless of the finances or situation. It is kind of a case by case, example Lewd House.
I will not criticize the creator as he has told everyone about his issue and has started working with others to keep it on task. Yet other posters noted when the Lewd House Project started that he has a history of not completing stuff. So there is a valid criticism and it should effect your financial choices in future, even though he may have a legitimate issue this time.
The post wasn't towards you but never mind. I have read, what you had written. I actually don't underestand your position here. Why are you complaining about deadlines, which doesn't exist? Is it that big problem for you, if you don't have deadlines? All other stuff you had mentioned was already answered by @TCMS and I will not repeat it. But just only if you bother to read it. So ... still no explenation why is he that bad.
- Jan 11, 2017
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, I was answering for myself and if u read what i written there and still didn't quite get what i was saying u might have poor reading comprehension.And for what mod said he got some point right but it doesnt mean i agree with him and no one said DC was shit and hack,yes he does have OC,style,art etc. hes just not some kinda god u made him.I stand by what i said.Anyway that was last offtopic msg outside of general tips and helps for the game.
- Oct 1, 2016
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Since its a discussion thread, im gonna say this : I love the game , i really do, but since 0.10 i suppose , when each updates are focused on one character, im kinda " sad " , cuz all you have to do is focus the character and done, before i remember that i spent so much time trying to find everything to do in the version, last thing, i found the mom " chapter " really fast, you just " defend " her one time and she gives you a hj/shower , anyway thats what i think ^^
- Nov 15, 2016
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Concerning this discussion about DC and all...
TCMS is right: DC is probably THE most professional developer in Patreon, among maybe one or two other guys out
there. If any of you were around when AI (old coder) went MIA (it was 0.10 or 0.9, not sure) for a few days, you saw how DC was, BY FAR, the most pissed person about that, and the delay it would cause. He is extremely ethical when working.
Now, SS just went through some major changes, regarding its development: not only it has a new coder, Panda, but it also has a new guy (Hurfy) doing all the posing himself. This is the first time the new team is working together, and, if any of you ever faced the challenge of working on a whole newly assembled team, you know that the first few weeks are bound to have some hiccups here and there, as every member adjust to the team's workflow.
Also, Panda is, naturally, adjusting AI's code to his own. Anyone who knows a bit of coding knows that it can be a very personal thing, so it's only natural that Panda took the time to revise the whole code behind SS made by AI, in order for it to work according to his own workflow. Besides that, Hurfy is doing the posing for the very first time for SS, and, as long as I remember, he's a bit of a perfectionist, so I guess it might take him a release or two until he finds the right balance between perfectionism and speed.
That's probably why it's taking a bit longer than expected. And I'm quite confident that this will be much faster on forthcoming releases, as the team gets used to it.
That said, there were a few problems (which, btw, I told DC myself on Discord).
For instance, the communication concerning this whole situation could have been a lot better. Since there were almost none (you really have to dig and ask around to get a grip of what is currently happening), it's only natural that people got even more anxious than needed.
Also, I really think that SS needs a proper ETA for each release. The current workflow chart is anything BUT an ETA. Since we don't know what are the tasks, and how long we should expect for each to be done, that chart barely gives us a rough estimate (if that!).
In any line of work, if someone asks for an ETA, and you reply with a workflow chart with no dates on it, you'll probably get fired. It just isn't professional, which really contrasts with how DC works.
When people complain about a release being delayed, I usually just reply that it's how the gaming industry works, and that delays do happen frequently. Now, if someone asks me why there isn't an ETA at all, I have no reply. That's NOT how the gaming industry goes, and not how anyone who wants to be professional about anything should work.
Anything that does not have an official ETA will, usually, get delayed more than necessary. That's my personal experience, at least. It's just human nature.
Hopefully for us, DC told me that he's already working together with FL22 in order to improve that chart as well. ^^
As I said before: DC is extremely professional and dedicated, and the guy knows no boundaries when it comes to improving his project (be it the game, or its development).
TCMS is right: DC is probably THE most professional developer in Patreon, among maybe one or two other guys out
there. If any of you were around when AI (old coder) went MIA (it was 0.10 or 0.9, not sure) for a few days, you saw how DC was, BY FAR, the most pissed person about that, and the delay it would cause. He is extremely ethical when working.
Now, SS just went through some major changes, regarding its development: not only it has a new coder, Panda, but it also has a new guy (Hurfy) doing all the posing himself. This is the first time the new team is working together, and, if any of you ever faced the challenge of working on a whole newly assembled team, you know that the first few weeks are bound to have some hiccups here and there, as every member adjust to the team's workflow.
Also, Panda is, naturally, adjusting AI's code to his own. Anyone who knows a bit of coding knows that it can be a very personal thing, so it's only natural that Panda took the time to revise the whole code behind SS made by AI, in order for it to work according to his own workflow. Besides that, Hurfy is doing the posing for the very first time for SS, and, as long as I remember, he's a bit of a perfectionist, so I guess it might take him a release or two until he finds the right balance between perfectionism and speed.
That's probably why it's taking a bit longer than expected. And I'm quite confident that this will be much faster on forthcoming releases, as the team gets used to it.
That said, there were a few problems (which, btw, I told DC myself on Discord).
For instance, the communication concerning this whole situation could have been a lot better. Since there were almost none (you really have to dig and ask around to get a grip of what is currently happening), it's only natural that people got even more anxious than needed.
Also, I really think that SS needs a proper ETA for each release. The current workflow chart is anything BUT an ETA. Since we don't know what are the tasks, and how long we should expect for each to be done, that chart barely gives us a rough estimate (if that!).
In any line of work, if someone asks for an ETA, and you reply with a workflow chart with no dates on it, you'll probably get fired. It just isn't professional, which really contrasts with how DC works.
When people complain about a release being delayed, I usually just reply that it's how the gaming industry works, and that delays do happen frequently. Now, if someone asks me why there isn't an ETA at all, I have no reply. That's NOT how the gaming industry goes, and not how anyone who wants to be professional about anything should work.
Anything that does not have an official ETA will, usually, get delayed more than necessary. That's my personal experience, at least. It's just human nature.
Hopefully for us, DC told me that he's already working together with FL22 in order to improve that chart as well. ^^
As I said before: DC is extremely professional and dedicated, and the guy knows no boundaries when it comes to improving his project (be it the game, or its development).
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