Ren'Py Summertime Saga [v21.0.0 wip.5003] [Kompas Productions]

[mathluccas]

I don't literally care much, as i stated i kinda follow this game development because it was my first adult game i ever played so it's kinda for "sentimental value" but i'm not much into it and is not between my favourites by far.

I understand that many of you are kinda disappointed after a long wait just to see what seems like a rework/reboot of it but you should at least give some month to devs and see how much content they bring back in the next patch, maybe it will be a huge part of it or maybe not but why don't wait and see instead of this pointless whining? Ofc if i was a patreon i would have stopped my payments until i see what they are going to do for next releases but other than that why complain so much? Especially if you aren't even paying them. Just skip this release and wait at least few of future releases before saying that the game is dead.

To be honest STS was feeling a bit old even few years ago when i played it and while i admit that i would have managed this "backend update" in a different way (for sure i wouldn't have published it with so few content compared to v20) it was quite needed. And with that i'm not stating that i'm happy with this outcome from devs but simply that it's quite early to be so dramatic.

Give the dev time?? You got to be fucking kidding me I can't with these people

 

[EthanB86]

Damn, there are lots of complainers. Instead of complaining about the update, how about you play the sheer amount of content that was available before the dev released the tech update? I have no idea what goes into development, do you? God knows what kind of things they have to change in the code. It’s been what, six years or so, and they are still working on it. That’s a lot of time to get better at something and look back on your previous work and think, ‘What the fuck was I doing with that part?’ I’ve had that thought over a couple of things I’ve spent time on. Would you have preferred the devs just to give up and leave? If so, get out of here. You clearly don’t like the game in that case.

the people complaining are the ones who already HAVE played the content and have been waiting two years for something whicih should take less than 6 months. i DO know what goes into development and this is simply idiotic. also the dev blatantly pushing out a WIP build to avoid the abandoned tag sticking is predatory at best so they can keep the patreon money funnelling in. no one prefers the devs give up and leave, we prefer they do their job which they are being paid A LOT for, its not like its a single guy at this point with only 1k a month (that 6 month forecast i said earlier would be for just a single individual in their spare time btw). AND they have stated before that they do not have guidelines, deadlines or requirements for their team which is frankly insane. i understand its an creative project, but NO guidelines etc is only condusive to delays, reworks and pushed-back releases (as we can see).

 

[cadwaladr]

People in the discord sucking his cock praising it for being quick and smooth.

Yeah, because it's less than a quarter of the size it was, morons.

 

[Hargas]

Only difference I can see compared to some older games is it isn't using .pyo files (as they obsolete)

think ive only seen .pyo in like, 1 game or so

 

[EthanB86]

I don't literally care much, as i stated i kinda follow this game development because it was my first adult game i ever played so it's kinda for "sentimental value" but i'm not much into it and is not between my favourites by far.

I understand that many of you are kinda disappointed after a long wait just to see what seems like a rework/reboot of it but you should at least give some month to devs and see how much content they bring back in the next patch, maybe it will be a huge part of it or maybe not but why don't wait and see instead of this pointless whining? Ofc if i was a patreon i would have stopped my payments until i see what they are going to do for next releases but other than that why complain so much? Especially if you aren't even paying them. Just skip this release and wait at least few of future releases before saying that the game is dead.

To be honest STS was feeling a bit old even few years ago when i played it and while i admit that i would have managed this "backend update" in a different way (for sure i wouldn't have published it with so few content compared to v20) it was quite needed. And with that i'm not stating that i'm happy with this outcome from devs but simply that it's quite early to be so dramatic.

"but you should at least give some month to devs and see how much content they bring back in the next patch"... thats what we have been doing... for years... they said it would only take a couple of months yet here we are. calling this "pointless whining" and for us to "wait and see" is dumb, we are YEARS past that stage. theyve been given far more time than necessary and youre saying "just wait bro"??? lmao. im not even that interested in this project and i dont really care for it that much but seeing the dev become an actual con-artist just makes me angry

 

[anminter17]

Give the dev time?? You got to be fucking kidding me I can't with these people

So don't give them time, what's the matter? Just get past it and play something else, i just don't find logic between this enrage. Very few of us gave even a penny to devs, so why bother so much?

 

[EthanB86]

It's not how it works. Devs can do what they want and people can do/pay what they like. You can think that someone is stupid to do something but you have no right to tell them that they are stupid because what is stupid for you may not be for another. In my eyes people that follow football games are wasting time because when i tried to do the same i found no joy into it and i felt stupid into follow a game that has so simply ruleset but i don't think that they are stupid, they just watch what they like. Many of them probably aren't into motorsport and could fall asleep watching an F1 race (especially if it's like the last one) neverless i enjoy it a lot. That's the point. You can think what you like about the product and even about the people that support it but if you aren't interested into it why are you here being toxic towards other people? Are they spending your money? Or are they hurting you somehow doing so?

your analogy of football holds no water. this is not a matter of "i dont enjoy it" its a matter of "theyre making 500k a year and give barely a fraction of what they should back to their supporters". its like paying for an expensive meal and getting 2 fries and the discarded fat of a steak and being told to be happy with it

 

[FlyingPony]

At least Patrons can count their pledge money as a charity for tax credits. Cuz I see no service and no product here.

 

[EthanB86]

So don't give them time, what's the matter? Just get past it and play something else, i just don't find logic between this enrage. Very few of us gave even a penny to devs, so why bother so much?

THEYVE HAD THE TIME. THATS WHY PEOPLE ARE UPSET LMAO, WHAT DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND

if this was 5 months into the tech update development then i would agree, but its five times that. over 2 years now. it simply does not take that long to produce this small amount of a rework

 

[Dave98424]

From the early days of Icstor more and more so called game developers have watched and taken note of how little work is needed to keep the money coming in so more and more of them continue to drag their asses and at the end of the day this is about a paycheck and not some creative outlet or dream project. It is simply another way to get money from someone by doing as little as possible to earn it and until the fanboy idiots that defend bad developers get called to the carpet and the majority stop financially supporting them will we see any real change. The best short term option is to call out the good developers and promote them while dropping any financial support for the bad ones.

 

[cadwaladr]

Heck, Ren'Py isn't even that bad for sandbox when you get your shit together. Obviously doesn't hold a candle to Unity, but it's far more workable than people may make it seem. Sometimes very annoying, but any engine will be.

I've heard from dogpark (previous lead programmer) that the hardest part of it all was actually doing the mini-games, which yeah sounds like one hell of a nightmare to do in raw python basically lol

So the hardest part of the game to program is the part of the game that everyone hates?

Sounds on brand.

 

[allintine]

has anyone been able to trigger the jenny missionary scene?

 

[Morgenthai-U]

It's not how it works. Devs can do what they want and people can do/pay what they like. You can think that someone is stupid to do something but you have no right to tell them that they are stupid because what is stupid for you may not be for another. In my eyes people that follow football games are wasting time because when i tried to do the same i found no joy into it and i felt stupid into follow a game that has so simply ruleset but i don't think that they are stupid, they just watch what they like. Many of them probably aren't into motorsport and could fall asleep watching an F1 race (especially if it's like the last one) neverless i enjoy it a lot. That's the point. You can think what you like about the product and even about the people that support it but if you aren't interested into it why are you here being toxic towards other people? Are they spending your money? Or are they hurting you somehow doing so?

You argue like a manchild redditor. My points were clear. There is no point in responding to this. Feel free to think whatever you want about it, idc.

 

[VegitoHlove]

your analogy of football holds no water. this is not a matter of "i dont enjoy it" its a matter of "theyre making 500k a year and give barely a fraction of what they should back to their supporters". its like paying for an expensive meal and getting 2 fries and the discarded fat of a steak and being told to be happy with it

I mean I wouldn't be unhappy with the the discarded fat from a steak. That said I also want the steak. I want both.

 

[PElvisTek]

What the fok? They're remaking the game or am I wrong? afaik the main story was done and now it's only the first day?

 

[EthanB86]

You argue like a manchild redditor. My points were clear. There is no point in responding to this. Feel free to think whatever you want about it, idc.

yea his argument makes literally zero sense. its not about enjoyment its about a transactional exchange, except only one side gives and the other just takes and takes

 

[Wisconzin]

Damn, there are lots of complainers. Instead of complaining about the update, how about you play the sheer amount of content that was available before the dev released the tech update? I have no idea what goes into development, do you? God knows what kind of things they have to change in the code. It’s been what, six years or so, and they are still working on it. That’s a lot of time to get better at something and look back on your previous work and think, ‘What the fuck was I doing with that part?’ I’ve had that thought over a couple of things I’ve spent time on. Would you have preferred the devs just to give up and leave? If so, get out of here. You clearly don’t like the game in that case.

I do. There is absolutely no way a full time development cannot wrap this in 6 months. They know what it should look like. They know what do do with it. If not, they can reverse engineer it. Three times that, which is the second extreme, is 18 months. The code is not some mysterious scribbles. Its just a bunch of triggers, checks and variables.
After 6 years, when they think: "what I was thinking about this part?" They now have a good idea how to streamline the whole thing. They have 6 years of experience under their belt.

 

[CigarRex]

So don't give them time, what's the matter? Just get past it and play something else, i just don't find logic between this enrage. Very few of us gave even a penny to devs, so why bother so much?

Look, people wouldn't ever be this majorly upset at the current state of things if they didn't enjoy STS once before. This isn't a targeted trolling campaign or something, we're talking about one of the biggest WEGs of all time. It's far less logical to not see the reason for the outrage, from paying subs to free players watching by the sides.

 

[pussyreaperxxx]

If you enjoy the game in this state of development then go ahead and play it.

I always thought discussion was meant for people who wanted to use their brains and to let other people know what the reality is and whether or not to play a game.

No reason to defend #1 financially secure adult game dev and cover up people actually talking about the game.

 

[BigLoada]

Oh wow, he subverted expectations by removing content! It's the Last Jedi of "updates"! If you've been supporting this dev for over a year I hope this nice middle finger in the guise of an update is enough of a reward for you !

Wait for the people to defend it too. I've never been happier I didn't spend money on something than right now.