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No, people are not losing their shit over the open relationship, people are losing their shit over the lack of choice in that regard. Nobody would give a fuck about her suggesting an open relationship if there was an option to break up with her (And yes I know there PROBALY will be next update). So you can try and shape the narrative that we are possesive, jelous, insecure or whatever but the fact is just add one more option there(whic again is most likely gonna get added anyway) and everything would have been fine.
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Nicole: I love you.
MC: I love you.
Nicole: Would you consider a temporary open relationship?
MC: We are breaking up.
Yeah, that makes no sense.
CK3 is way more than incest though. But ye, that's still fun, specially on the religion side.
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Heh, Most of it reads like a conversation between Alexa & Siri where they occasionally get a bit confused talking about romance and go in great detail into the mechanics of fixing various appliances before someone resets them and they get back to the mostly banal self-doubt and general pointless fluff on the topic of love.
The way things have played out so far it does make sense. Nicole was already fairly distant with the MC and the relationship has already been rocky. Then she is all on board with you flying to the other side of the country for the summer as it "will give you time to sort out your relationship", then she starts off a video call with "we should see other people". If I was the MC it would seem to me she already found someone new and got you out the picture for the summer, and the open relationship is just a way of guilt free cheating. Even the mutual "I love you" is cheap, people say that all the time as they head out the door to cheat on their spouse, it means nothing.
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" If I was the MC" Yeah, but you aren't the MC are you? Sounds like you have trust issues.
The story as written has adults who are seeing the bigger picture. Both are in love with each other, trust each other and both want their relationship to work. Turning around and ending the relationship right then and there just doesn't make sense to characters as they are portrayed. Yes, the relationship is rocky, but that doesn't mean either of them fell out of love and both of them want the relationship to work.
Going into the open relationship call I was anticipating and planning on using the option to break up with Nicole. Seeing the discussion here it occurs to me that part of the reasoning for that is because I was prepared for the call based on scenes we see with Nicole. For the MC the suggestion comes utterly out of the blue during a call where they have a very short amount of time to speak with each other and he has 5 more years of history with her than we do I can see why he wouldn't immediately jump to the break up option, then he is immediately off with Vicky so there is not really time to reflect either.
I basically consider the MC and Nicole broken up at this point, just given her rules she doesn't want to hear about it until I've picked out my LI(s) to pursue. I agree with some of the comments here about how controlling she is with the MC and how uncomfortable the dynamic was with the two of them in the beginning scenes. Gerald and Nicole seem to get along better than the MC does with either of them.
Did anyone think it was weird that the MC acted so shocked that his dad might have cheated on Ashley? MC even comments about how his dad cheated on his mom with Ashley so it seemed a little odd to me.
If I could remove any character from the game I think it would be Ashley. Maybe she can decide she needs to go on another multi-month vacation and inform everyone by note. It may just be the writing but it seems weird that she is so cagey about explaining things to the MC if the only reason for the breakup was Gerald cheating. Cutting Lacey off from contacting them seems like an overreaction too and I wish the MC hadn't accepted her reasoning on that so easily.
I also find it creepy how much she is pursuing the MC. She even acknowledges that he doesn't seem interested in a few responses and she still manipulated the MC into the shower scene and kisses him on the lips. I have some suspicions that Ashley was attracted to the MC when he was 15 or concerns about the relationship between MC and the sister and that contributed to her dramatic departure and breaking off contact.
It is also disturbing that Ashley is more concerned with throwing herself at the MC and avoiding questions that would greatly improve the dynamic between the MC and sister. Her nonchalance at disappearing for months and leaving her daughter to sink or swim with a failing hotel and refusal to really take responsibility for some horrific parenting mistakes for both her daughter and the MC is off-putting.
Terrible parents do seem to be a strong theme in this game (Gerald, Ashley, Ashley's sister, their parents kicking Ashley out, orgy priest dad, psycho murder chef and maybe others I'm not thinking about now). I hope we don't get any bad revelations about Mr. Roshi, he seems pretty great.
I basically consider the MC and Nicole broken up at this point, just given her rules she doesn't want to hear about it until I've picked out my LI(s) to pursue. I agree with some of the comments here about how controlling she is with the MC and how uncomfortable the dynamic was with the two of them in the beginning scenes. Gerald and Nicole seem to get along better than the MC does with either of them.
Did anyone think it was weird that the MC acted so shocked that his dad might have cheated on Ashley? MC even comments about how his dad cheated on his mom with Ashley so it seemed a little odd to me.
If I could remove any character from the game I think it would be Ashley. Maybe she can decide she needs to go on another multi-month vacation and inform everyone by note. It may just be the writing but it seems weird that she is so cagey about explaining things to the MC if the only reason for the breakup was Gerald cheating. Cutting Lacey off from contacting them seems like an overreaction too and I wish the MC hadn't accepted her reasoning on that so easily.
I also find it creepy how much she is pursuing the MC. She even acknowledges that he doesn't seem interested in a few responses and she still manipulated the MC into the shower scene and kisses him on the lips. I have some suspicions that Ashley was attracted to the MC when he was 15 or concerns about the relationship between MC and the sister and that contributed to her dramatic departure and breaking off contact.
It is also disturbing that Ashley is more concerned with throwing herself at the MC and avoiding questions that would greatly improve the dynamic between the MC and sister. Her nonchalance at disappearing for months and leaving her daughter to sink or swim with a failing hotel and refusal to really take responsibility for some horrific parenting mistakes for both her daughter and the MC is off-putting.
Terrible parents do seem to be a strong theme in this game (Gerald, Ashley, Ashley's sister, their parents kicking Ashley out, orgy priest dad, psycho murder chef and maybe others I'm not thinking about now). I hope we don't get any bad revelations about Mr. Roshi, he seems pretty great.
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Lol likely I have trust issues as well then, but I already wanted the chance to break up with her before he even flew off to the island. It did not feel like a loving or healthy relationship already while he was still there in the rain. Then again I have a thing against overly controlling women with their whole life plan already decided and little compassion for someone that likely just had a serious bad day when fired instead of promoted, so I am likely prejudiced.
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Yep. Being a trial lawyer, sometimes you get thrown for a loop. There are a lot of trial attorneys out there, and their personalities run the gambit.
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Honestly the whole open relationship thing to me is basically the game asking whether you want to see Nicole fuck other people... Well I don't give a fuck about her... She pales in comparison to the women directly in MC's life... She is forced on the player basically.
Honestly I'm more pissed at the sex scene in this update... To skip it then show it in a day dream is beyond stupid writing.. You killed all the fucking steam, the spontaneous... And most importantly, my boner.
Honestly I'm more pissed at the sex scene in this update... To skip it then show it in a day dream is beyond stupid writing.. You killed all the fucking steam, the spontaneous... And most importantly, my boner.
I am not the MC but as someone who has played table top RPG's for over 30 years, I do tend to make decisions in a VN as if I was the MC, I get very immersed in what I am reading. Yeah some trust issues, having been on the bad end of something like that does that to a person. However, taking lessons from that a real "loving" relationship with problems is not going to be resolved for most people with both sides going off and having casual sex with others. Once again my opinion, and from many of the post, others as well. Not saying that you opinion is wrong, everyone handles relationships and sex in different ways. Would have just been nice to have the option for a clean split, or a longer more in depth conversation with Nicky about it, as there was little give in take, more just here is how it is take it or leave it.
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And that’s how the Donutstan Navy rolls. Lol. Being an Air Force veteran myself, I know it can be a bit jarring. This probably will be something to fix at the end and hope by then someone has come up with better uniforms for Daz, because they were very limited. And yes, fixing the hats too.
But if this has pissed off a sailor, maybe it is my Air Force duty to ensure this doesn’t get fixed...
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"Bro, it's just a plot convenience, bro" is just an excuse for lazy writing.
MC/Nicole's relationship has been obviously toxic from the beginning. The MC is written as a bit of a spineless whinebaby just going with whatever those around him want. I don't think the criticism coming from from players that want a well written story is invalid.
If the Dots team wanted to avoid this blowback it could have been easily done, a bit more build up of expressed anger/resentment at the situation between them, then the open relationship question is put forth by the MC, not Nicole. It would have been some character growth by the MC taking control of his romantic life and would have achieved the plot convience that the writer wanted. I think most people do understand if there is an open relationship it doesn't always mean both sides use the pass for it, but the one proposing it is almost always understood to be the one that wants to use it to it's fullest advantage.
The fact that it was proposed at long distance without even some feeling out pre-discussion just fuels the scummy feeling people have about Nicole. 100% Nicole could be proposing this because she's a cuckqueen, but the characterization of her and the MC requires far too much suspension of disbelief at this point in the story for this scenario to be remotely believeable.
I might be more inclined to buy in if the MC wasn't being written so passively, but with the story as it is, it's a very easy, and obvious, conclusion that Nicole wants a fresh dick to hop on. If the script writer doesn't understand that perception from readers, well I can't help the script to this point is poorly written.
MC/Nicole's relationship has been obviously toxic from the beginning. The MC is written as a bit of a spineless whinebaby just going with whatever those around him want. I don't think the criticism coming from from players that want a well written story is invalid.
If the Dots team wanted to avoid this blowback it could have been easily done, a bit more build up of expressed anger/resentment at the situation between them, then the open relationship question is put forth by the MC, not Nicole. It would have been some character growth by the MC taking control of his romantic life and would have achieved the plot convience that the writer wanted. I think most people do understand if there is an open relationship it doesn't always mean both sides use the pass for it, but the one proposing it is almost always understood to be the one that wants to use it to it's fullest advantage.
The fact that it was proposed at long distance without even some feeling out pre-discussion just fuels the scummy feeling people have about Nicole. 100% Nicole could be proposing this because she's a cuckqueen, but the characterization of her and the MC requires far too much suspension of disbelief at this point in the story for this scenario to be remotely believeable.
I might be more inclined to buy in if the MC wasn't being written so passively, but with the story as it is, it's a very easy, and obvious, conclusion that Nicole wants a fresh dick to hop on. If the script writer doesn't understand that perception from readers, well I can't help the script to this point is poorly written.