VN Ren'Py Completed Sunshine Love [Ch. 3 v1.01i Extras] [MrDots Games]

[Rythan25]

LOL???
We explained thousand times that it's not going as bad and that she will NOT fuck other men...
No one listened - that's why we given up on further explainations.

I'm sorry, but if you did do this, and were going to keep true to it (unlike DmD), and no shady stuff like "its not cheating cause your taking a break, now watch this Nicole scene with a black dude, or an old dude, or a fat dude". Meaning no double meaning, she wasnt going to fuck ANY MAN PERIOD...

That should have been it, at that point you stick to your guns and put your foot down... criticism will always exist, as will complaining/bitching ! Let them rage, as others have said as long as you kept to your word, the quality of your work would eventually win some of the cry-babies back.

As for the complaining about vanilla... fuck those people, those literally are a vocal MINORITY ! Go look at Neverlucky's games, and see how lame dudes get chased out of the threads when they come complaining that the game is "too cute and happy", Vanilla is a fucking minority on this site... and I mean pure vanilla, to me harem isnt fucking vanilla, vanilla is boy meets girl, they are happy throughout the story... the end.

Even DmD had some drama (back when it was good) with Rachel taking Dee away, and later the threat of incest being found out in SeaSide and possible separation and jail time for Dad... It doesnt need stupid shit to "keep it interesting" such as letting a co-worker who is supposedly a "bro" compliment your daughter translating into "you have my blessing to black my 4'11" daughter hue hue hue".

Back before the mess that is Ch3 of DmD Mr Dots and Neverlucky were literally the only ones with a more vanilla taste in games, and it was glorious !! Thats why I was a Patreon for several months to you guys, I left during the last stages of Melody (which I felt bad for, as Melody was your best game) but I left due to the trolling from the devs/writers talking about how Dating my Daughter made sense to focused on "Whoring out my Daughter: Sexual Awakening Yo !!"

If Ch4 of DmD never manifisted and seeing how SL was going I was going to Patreon again, but due to the Nicole fiasco, the trolling of "maybe it will, maybe it wont hue hue hue", and the possibility of Martin fucking Dee in DmD, I just honestly cant...

 

[DA22]

I still say that the monogamous route might be the "easy win" button in that. If you choose to remain monogamous and play that part of the game correctly (I.E. successful in the relationship part) that she either works against the bad guys by being on your side in court or by sabotaging them from the inside.

True, both still would have likely pretty bad consequences for her career though. Her managing partner would not invite her in the office congratulating her in having lost a big case and account or possible account for the firm. More likely she is fired on the spot and can forget working for any of the other bigger firms in that city or even beyond. Well maybe she could start her own small law firm to fight the right causes on the Island, but that is a very different path as the one she seems to have chosen for herself.

 

[NateGrey]

If Ch4 of DmD never manifisted and seeing how SL was going I was going to Patreon again, but due to the Nicole fiasco, the trolling of "maybe it will, maybe it wont hue hue hue", and the possibility of Martin fucking Dee in DmD, I just honestly cant...

You realize you can disable the sharing with Martin in DmD with literally one click, right? Or does the fact that the possibility exists AT ALL for other people already rile you?

 

[SeveredRealms]

As I also said before I think I will wait for a few more updates while other things being discussed get planned and fleshed out. I say this because I do not want to start over in my playthrough no more then needed and according to the post from hyperserver on page 169 more fetishes are talked about including harem. so with the harem possibly being brought into the game nicole and the open relationship deal could also become one of the ladies in the harem. This is just a thought, maybe wishful thinking But it is on the table for possible fetishes being brought into the game. Please dont bash me for this post until you read what hyperserver posted.

 

[tanstaafl]

True, both still would have likely pretty bad consequences for her career though. Her managing partner would not invite her in the office congratulating her in having lost a big case and account or possible account for the firm. More likely she is fired on the spot and can forget working for any of the other bigger firms in that city or even beyond. Well maybe she could start her own small law firm to fight the right causes on the Island, but that is a very different path as the one she seems to have chosen for herself.

That would actually work out as a "romantic ending" for the monogamous route. She relaxes on the career drive, but still remains a lawyer. She could start her own office in Sunshine, live with the MC who is working at the hotel and everybody is lovey dovey happy.

 

[tanstaafl]

You realize you can disable the sharing with Martin in DmD with literally one click, right? Or does the fact that the possibility exists AT ALL for other people already rile you?

I'm not really against open relationships, but I am a father. What MrDots and many people fail to realize that he is her lover AND her father. As a lover, sure open relationships can work. But as a father? That's a whole different thing.

 

[Rythan25]

You realize you can disable the sharing with Martin in DmD with literally one click, right? Or does the fact that the possibility exists AT ALL for other people already rile you?

BINGO... the possibility that exist is enough to rile me up, as I dont think that plot makes sense, the camera man (either one, yes ! Martin ? No)...

I fully understand this makes me a total jackass for not tolerating "optional content", but I rather be a straight shooter, and not pussy-foot or make excuses, I dont like it simple as that.

Again if the game from start was called "Perverting my Daughter" that has a connotation that is open for interpretation, "Dating my Daughter" and the way the story was pre-Ch3 its complete horseshit that Dad is totally ok with Dee whoring herself like a little bitch. Hell the last update I played before calling it quits has the MC questioning "Am I really ok with Dee fucking other men?"... thats not the thoughts of someone who is dying to get cucked... He should be creaming his pants at the thought that his little girl is developing jungle fever LOL (if it was that kind of game).

The fact that going into that thread when Ch3 started you never get any discussion about the Dad/Dee dynamic unless its people bitching that its gotten stale, and demanding Martin fuck Dee, then Georgina, and then a dog fucking Dee...Its just infuriating what dumpsterfire that thread became, and the kind of fans that now follow what once was one of the GREAT adult games.

 

[DA22]

That would actually work out as a "romantic ending" for the monogamous route. She relaxes on the career drive, but still remains a lawyer. She could start her own office in Sunshine, live with the MC who is working at the hotel and everybody is lovey dovey happy.

True but is it the ending that fits with the Nicole that we have seen until now and some love more as others? I agree it is possible her growth and happy end story, but she is not there yet. Just as MC is not yet a confident man having dealt with the scars of his past that could be a great partner for her.

 

[NateGrey]

I'm not really against open relationships, but I am a father. What MrDots and many people fail to realize that he is her lover AND her father. As a lover, sure open relationships can work. But as a father? That's a whole different thing.

I don't want to derail this thread too much with DmD, but this just sounds as having your cake and eating it too. After taking all of the daughter's virginities the dad can't claim to be an ethical and protective father with the moral high ground anymore.

 

[Trikus]

Then why you told she would not sleep with other man in the open relationship?
Why the monogamous choice if we are being locked in content?
Untill this day for me at least only Kath from deliverance made me do a faithful walkthrough and Nicole isn't painted in a good way to attract that. So the only 2 option we got was locked in content or the open relationship were everything indicates that she could be going to sleep with other. Why not change the locked content option for one were people that don't want to share her and one were that could happen? That way you would had covered the 2 option with the majority of players.
I just played DMD chap 1 and a bit of chap 2 it wasn't a game that I found fun to keep playing but at least to the part of the game I reached I didn't had to share D with anyone and still could have fun with other. Melody I liked that game and didn't had to let melody sleep with other to have fun with others.
Here is the same why with that 2 option we can't have the good of both worlds? At least there you would not have all this criticism.
You know how our man mind can be and where some don't mind sharing others care about that.

Than maybe this isn't a game for me even if I love the renders but being in a open relationship where even the mc don't want or being locked isn't that good of choices.

This is just my thoughts and my way of viewing things

Some points. Nicole has been faithful up to and including the video call. You even see her turn down a guy. Also, yes I agree that the MC didn't want the open relationship, but, he doesn't seem that bothered with it AFTER he had sex with Vicky, did he? Falling asleep with a big grin on his face replaying it in his head. Was there any inner turmoil about being with someone other than Nicole? No. Was there any guilt? No. After S falls asleep does he leave for his room? No, he cuddles up next to her draping an arm across her, again. Looks like he is enjoying the idea of an open relationship.

"Why the monogamous choice if we are being locked in content?"
Because you chose to be monogamous. Do you not understand the term? Or do you want to choose to monogamous and decide to cheat on Nicole? Well, if you want that, why not just choose the open relationship? The only content that has been locked behind the open relationship is sex with Vicky. You can do pretty much everything else. You still go on the date with Vicky, even though it doesn't end in sex. Head over to the DMD board and you will see people saying "I'm not sharing D". That is a monogamous choice.

"Why not change the locked content option for one were people that don't want to share her and one were that could happen?"

That is literally what they were offering in this update. Don't want to share, chose Reject the offer which has the locked content. Do want to share, choose the open relationship which unlocks the content.

The issue that MrDots and his team have faced with DMD and Melody is a lot of comments about the game being vanilla. Melody gets most of the heat for that one since it was designed to be on Patreon's good side. So, with this one, they were thinking about what else they can do. Maybe throw a bit of spice in the story. Before you say it, I know Jeff said the cuckqueen wasn't approved, but it was at least discussed.

"Melody I liked that game and didn't had to let melody sleep with other to have fun with others.
Here is the same why with that 2 option we can't have the good of both worlds? At least there you would not have all this criticism.
You know how our man mind can be and where some don't mind sharing others care about that."

Unless I'm wrong, and please correct me if I'm wrong. You are basically asking for Nicole to be monogamous and the MC to go around sleeping with women, right? You would have been fine if Nicole said "Hey, since we are apart for a few months, I'm giving you a free pass to fuck all the girls around you, but don't worry, I am slipping on the chastity belt and mailing you the key. You have fun."

 

[NateGrey]

Unless I'm wrong, and please correct me if I'm wrong. You are basically asking for Nicole to be monogamous and the MC to go around sleeping with women, right? You would have been fine if Nicole said "Hey, since we are apart for a few months, I'm giving you a free pass to fuck all the girls around you, but don't worry, I am slipping on the chastity belt and mailing you the key. You have fun."

To be fair, that is essentially how a very large part of the AVN's work, and anything other than that gets shouts of "NTR!"

 

[tanstaafl]

I don't want to derail this thread too much with DmD, but this just sounds as having your cake and eating it too. After taking all of the daughter's virginities the dad can't claim to be an ethical and protective father with the moral high ground anymore.

Who said what fathers feel is logical?

 

[Trikus]

True but is it the ending that fits with the Nicole that we have seen until now and some love more as others? I agree it is possible her growth and happy end story, but she is not there yet. Just as MC is not yet a confident man having dealt with the scars of his past that could be a great partner for her.

It might if the character is allowed to grow. We have already seen character growth with her. When the MC suggest a threesome, she rejects it. Then after outside influences, including a messy divorce where the bride regrets her decision not to try things and her incredibly horny pushy sister (who we all love), starts to get her to open up to other ideas. The game is only in it's second week and will take place over a few months. Who knows what will happen, outside of the devs? Thats part of the fun of a story. Seeing characters change and grow.

 

[kameohawk]

To be fair, that is essentially how a very large part of the AVN's work, and anything other than that gets shouts of "NTR!"

Everyone likes to do a dicking, but not everyone likes to see someone else get a dicking.

I think a lot of this could have been avoided by simply fleshing out the girlfriend more. I think because she's been left implicitly on the fence (showing doubts about the relationship but then being seen to pine for the MC and reject advances from others) it's meant no one knows how to handle her.

Simpler to have had the relationship fail early and then free up the MC to liaise with the other characters in the game. Not to mention cut down on the number of girls that need content created for them. Having too many girls means each will get less content each update and there's nothing worse than seeing a new update only to discover that your fave has been ignored so that a character you're not keen on can get the limelight.

 

[fulcrum]

everytime i see people chewing their microphones like yuki does in the plane i get upset.

 

[DA22]

I don't want to derail this thread too much with DmD, but this just sounds as having your cake and eating it too. After taking all of the daughter's virginities the dad can't claim to be an ethical and protective father with the moral high ground anymore.

Uhm so you will be ok if we make it really fair and less vanilla and F can get a nice BJ from Martin and fuck him up the ass while he has sex with D and same for the other men he shares her with and those paths are added for fans of that? After all after F sharing all his conquests with his bisexual D and letting her have sex with them, it would only be fair if he can share as well in the ones she has sex with.

 

[Trikus]

Simpler to have had the relationship fail early and then free up the MC to liaise with the other characters in the game. Not to mention cut down on the number of girls that need content created for them. Having too many girls means each will get less content each update and there's nothing worse than seeing a new update only to discover that your fave has been ignored so that a character you're not keen on can get the limelight.

However, neither character wants the relationship to fail. That is made abundantly clear throughout all three releases so far. Sure, it isn't as strong as it used to be but both are still committed to each other. This is why the team's decision to have them break up in part 4 makes no sense given the characters as written. As we saw with Vicky, even if you choose to not date others, you can still go out with them, you just can't have sex with them. You can liaise all you want.

Another thing, we have no idea what is planned for Nicole. For all we know she will come down to Sunshine Bay to help protect the hotel from the MC's old law firm. She would not be "left on the fence" any more.

 

[Trikus]

Uhm so you will be ok if we make it really fair and less vanilla and F can get a nice BJ from Martin and fuck him up the ass while he has sex with D and same for the other men he shares her with and those paths are added for fans of that? After all after F sharing all his conquests with his bisexual D and letting her have sex with them, it would only be fair if he can share as well in the ones she has sex with.

You have asked that before and it was too stupid I ignored it. But since you asked it again: 1. Any sharing will be D and F, Martin and D or F and Martin with D in the middle. Just because you have a threesome doesn't mean all parties will engage with each other. Look at games like WVM where the MC has two girlfriends. They both have sex with him in threesomes, but they don't have sex with each other. 2. F, Martin and Ryan have not been shown to have homosexual or bisexual tendencies, so expecting them to be active with each other isn't gonna happen.

HOWEVER, what would be wrong if the guys did decide to do a bit of experimenting?

 

[tanstaafl]

HOWEVER, what would be wrong if the guys did decide to do a bit of experimenting?

From a purely social standpoint, nothing at all. From a porn game played primarily by heterosexual men, quite a bit.

 

[DA22]

You have asked that before and it was too stupid I ignored it. But since you asked it again: 1. Any sharing will be D and F, Martin and D or F and Martin with D in the middle. Just because you have a threesome doesn't mean all parties will engage with each other. Look at games like WVM where the MC has two girlfriends. They both have sex with him in threesomes, but they don't have sex with each other. 2. F, Martin and Ryan have not been shown to have homosexual or bisexual tendencies, so expecting them to be active with each other isn't gonna happen.

HOWEVER, what would be wrong if the guys did decide to do a bit of experimenting?

Nothing, if you want to be fair and goose and the gander are equal. It is just to show how hypocrite it is to say. F can have other women, but bisexual D can not have other dicks, that is so unfair, while she swims in pussy and F already shares with her. Besides it never anywhere in the story says that they are not bisexual so would be just as easy to fit in as d suddenly turning dick grazy while just fell in love with F and had her first time. It is just following that argument about D to its full and logical conclusion if people really wanted equality between them. Which we all know is not what they want, they just want a slutty D getting dicked.

Also i am quite sure that a lot of people who will be happy to see D getting other dick and bash others for not wanting that, will complain and whine as soon as the game would get optional male gay paths with Martin and F or other males (making the game a lot less vanilla as just D with other males scenes that are in 100's of games and making male gay players very happy as well) and dev time being put into that so they have to wait longer for their preferred next Martin-D scene.