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since when lily and ivy have been upgraded from casual fucks to lis?
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I get the feeling that MrDots think that we are stupid and were not going to figure out that this game is being written by an AI. He said "ChatGTP, write the scrip for a porn VN", and that's what came out.
After reading the changes, the situation with the "threeway setup" got not really solved. It's now "you have the option to reject Victoria's advancement, but you also kill the potential threeway alltogether if you do so" or "go along with the sudden lesbian scene, that we implemented in some kind of punishment for going for both LIs in one playthrough, if you want the threeway". In my opinion it doesn't even make any sense at all, that if the sister (by player choices) doesn't want to fuck Victoria, that Vic breaks up with the MC. And there are probably thousand different ways to implement a threeway relationship without the betrayal of any LI. But here you went with one of the worst.
As for the twins, yeah, well nobody needs to be prefect and I don't expect anyone to be a virgin uppon meeting. I don't even care, if the LI or fuckbuddy has already children. But in all honesty, coming now, close to the end of this VN, and revealing that they running an escort services, them saying they are part of the service and not only managing it, and also having sex with some of the clients for cash and then telling us outside of the VN, that they're not prostitutes, is the most dumb way to justify this. And IMO, there is no way you could rewrite that without changing the story, so that your fanbase will magically accept it. It's still prostitution, even if you call it escort service.
Take my post with a grain of salt, because I didn't play this "fix and rewrite". I even doubt, that my opinion would change. The whole update felt in the first attempt like a punishment for players, that tried to maximize their scene count in one playthrough, and the post with the changes reads like it didn't get better in any way. But whatever, my post will probably once again be deleted, like the last one in this thread.
As for the twins, yeah, well nobody needs to be prefect and I don't expect anyone to be a virgin uppon meeting. I don't even care, if the LI or fuckbuddy has already children. But in all honesty, coming now, close to the end of this VN, and revealing that they running an escort services, them saying they are part of the service and not only managing it, and also having sex with some of the clients for cash and then telling us outside of the VN, that they're not prostitutes, is the most dumb way to justify this. And IMO, there is no way you could rewrite that without changing the story, so that your fanbase will magically accept it. It's still prostitution, even if you call it escort service.
Take my post with a grain of salt, because I didn't play this "fix and rewrite". I even doubt, that my opinion would change. The whole update felt in the first attempt like a punishment for players, that tried to maximize their scene count in one playthrough, and the post with the changes reads like it didn't get better in any way. But whatever, my post will probably once again be deleted, like the last one in this thread.
- Oct 24, 2018
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(Allegedly)They made the twins continue as a package to consolidate endings, doesn't matter how you label them, if an ending on their path is in the works, people have the right to be pissed about investing in these characters. I don't know why you keep pretending you don't see the issue.
I already posted earlier about a perfect setup for an escort background, with Riona, MC and players know what she does before pursuing her, they don't wake up in ep7 finding out about it. Can you say the same about the twins? Did you figure it out what they were doing in early episodes when you start their path? Obviously not.
This is not real life, this is a f*cking videogame. There are big differences. In real life, usually siblings or even step-siblings don't hit on each others, for example. Rules of real life doesn't apply in videogames. Videogames are fantasy: you play to win Formula 1 world championship, kill a thousand of nazis and be the hero of your platoon, or save the galaxy from the Reapers, and that makes you feel somehow good, even if it's not real. You are not going to do any of that in real life.
Porn videogames are a fantasy too: you play to get all the girls you want, and/or find true love. Most people don't want to be cheated in their own fantasy or being pushed aside by the girls they like, because suddenly they discover that they are "bi" and like each other. NTR in games is simple: a situation to provoke jealousy in the player. And two of the Lis suddenly having sex with each other like if MC didn't exists, is something that can provoke jealousy. Some people like that, is a fetish. But most people don't like that at all. It's like playing Call of Duty with a character that instead of saving the day, is a coward or clumsy guy that screw things up. Also, most of the people don't find attractive that a Li is a prostitute. If it's a really good character, maybe she can be attractive in spite of being a prostitute, but it's the exception of the rule.
But if the player actually doesn't care about characters and plot, and only wants it to fap with rendered sex scenes, nothing of that applies, of course.
I agree. And I want to add, if either Vic or the sis would've been a dude, nobody would've tried to defend the game, everybody would've said it's a type certain content. But because they're both females, it's magically okay, that they hook up, because "lesbian sex is hot and every guy out on the planet agrees to that". Now I suprise some people out there: not everybody likes lesbian content and some fetishes apply regardless of the gender. So forcing this lesbian content on the players invoke the same feelings, that the same scene would invoke if you switch the gender of one of the two. And them plotting behind the back of the MC is also dumb. I get, they're are jealous, but they knew from the beginning, that they're not the only one, that there is at least Nicole. It's only natural that people start to call you out, if you come with these "plot twists" close to the end, just because of drama or whatever.
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thank god I ended it with the twins earlier so they are prostitutes so I'm guessing the girl's for the father's Friday fun comes from them and they know what they father is doing behind they mom's back?
Cash before family I guess
At the end of summer the mc get a invoice (for those who still on the twin path) for they service and he leaves Sunshine Bay broke
Cash before family I guess
At the end of summer the mc get a invoice (for those who still on the twin path) for they service and he leaves Sunshine Bay broke
>It's just the writing which has been adjusted because people understood things the wrong way.
Because people didn't like the way 'we' wrote it you mean. Nobody 'understood things the wrong way' - we understood things perfectly, this is on you guys.
>escort service is NOT an expensive whore service which serves every customer
That's *exactly* what an escort is my guy, pull your head out of your ass. It's up to the customer to decide what role the escort plays, sometimes that's a dinner date - others it's just having sex in a hotel room. Just like any old prostitute they can decline to take on a customer, they aren't anything special. Fuck me you've romanticized what an escort is.
>2 girls spontanously having fun isn't "going full lesbian" out of sudden
Just... are you dumb?
OK, why are you in here justifying yourself then? I remember you the last time shit hit the fan whining about everyone and in general making things much worse for the devs. I don't know what your role is but if it is pissing people off and driving away current and potential subscribers and patrons then you're doing a good job.
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Lesbian NTR out of the blue, but... hey, avoidable because you can take control for a moment of one of the Lis
And two of the characters, out of the blue too, are prostitutes, but... hey, now with a sad backstory
Congratulations, MrDots. You have made a game I don't want to play even for free.
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- Oct 24, 2018
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Now you can decide on the bisexuality of another character, thats not very progressive from Mr Dots
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A lesbian wedding just because, making a bunch of priests the villains of the game, and the MC being a soy-boy that couldn't grow a pair even if his life depended on it, is not woke enough for you?Now you can decide on the bisexuality of another character, thats not very progressive from Mr Dots
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I can't resist not dropping this here. Random discord people fixing the game in 5 minutes.
Add a 'Skip Showing the Scene' button, for those that absolutely hate lesbian sex and you are golden, instead of the player deciding how NPCs act
Add a 'Skip Showing the Scene' button, for those that absolutely hate lesbian sex and you are golden, instead of the player deciding how NPCs act
puh... sunshine love was one of my favorites, but MrDots starts to ruin the whole game with each update more and more... And its yet again the same thing with DmD, you can see that they dont have a plan to go about the game on long term.
Melody was obviously an exception. The overall plan from start to end worked perfectly there. And each and every character and ending made complete sense.
Sunshine love is starting to get a real mess. The whole victoria and sis mess doesnt make any sense at all. And to make a kinda "hotfix" to avoid the NTR hate (that was obvious that it will come) we will get a choice here... which doesnt make sense either, so if sis rejects Vic, Vic breaks up with MC... of course... what?
Fuck this... you should go about it just like in Melody... screw around, get caught, you are done... if people cant deal with it, so be it, but its the only way that makes sense. OR write those characters in a way they like sharing in the first place... but its not done so here. Nearly every single girl wants a faithful lover (especially victoria, not so much sis, she hinted you can fuck around), and doesnt make a secret out of this. You cant come up with something like this shit only cause you pissed off players. And than add a option that is halfdone to avoid those things afterwards... it does not work like that, the personalties in sunshine love is a weakspot of the game already, but like this... its completly gone, like this you could easily just make a choice at the start of the game and ask the player "hey do you want that everyone bangs everyone, or do you want faithful routes only?" and you dont have to bother with personalties anymore... its obvious that since making the game Melody MrDots doesnt have a clue anymore how to make personalities in characters and stick with them... to me its obvious that the writers of Melody are not the same in DmD and sunshine love...
MrDots already give control about nearly every character in DmD along the road, and scratched every personalitiy out of it, choices and character development didnt mean anything anymore, that was really bad development the longer the game went... and now its the same all over again with sunshine love. Just everything to avoid "consequences" Then dont start the game like you started it...
In Melody it was clear... if you cheat on her, (or cheat on every other girl) you are fucked... only exception, if you were open about it in the first place that you like sophia too and Melody has something going on with her, you get a threesome alonng the road, but not really a full on "love route" The players get a chance to avoid the lesbian thing in the first place BEFORE anything happened between MC and sophia. Thats a legit way to go about this... BEFORE something happened. Not after.... if things already happened, you need to set consequences. If you dont want consequences, dont go down those paths.
Melody was obviously an exception. The overall plan from start to end worked perfectly there. And each and every character and ending made complete sense.
Sunshine love is starting to get a real mess. The whole victoria and sis mess doesnt make any sense at all. And to make a kinda "hotfix" to avoid the NTR hate (that was obvious that it will come) we will get a choice here... which doesnt make sense either, so if sis rejects Vic, Vic breaks up with MC... of course... what?
Fuck this... you should go about it just like in Melody... screw around, get caught, you are done... if people cant deal with it, so be it, but its the only way that makes sense. OR write those characters in a way they like sharing in the first place... but its not done so here. Nearly every single girl wants a faithful lover (especially victoria, not so much sis, she hinted you can fuck around), and doesnt make a secret out of this. You cant come up with something like this shit only cause you pissed off players. And than add a option that is halfdone to avoid those things afterwards... it does not work like that, the personalties in sunshine love is a weakspot of the game already, but like this... its completly gone, like this you could easily just make a choice at the start of the game and ask the player "hey do you want that everyone bangs everyone, or do you want faithful routes only?" and you dont have to bother with personalties anymore... its obvious that since making the game Melody MrDots doesnt have a clue anymore how to make personalities in characters and stick with them... to me its obvious that the writers of Melody are not the same in DmD and sunshine love...
MrDots already give control about nearly every character in DmD along the road, and scratched every personalitiy out of it, choices and character development didnt mean anything anymore, that was really bad development the longer the game went... and now its the same all over again with sunshine love. Just everything to avoid "consequences" Then dont start the game like you started it...
In Melody it was clear... if you cheat on her, (or cheat on every other girl) you are fucked... only exception, if you were open about it in the first place that you like sophia too and Melody has something going on with her, you get a threesome alonng the road, but not really a full on "love route" The players get a chance to avoid the lesbian thing in the first place BEFORE anything happened between MC and sophia. Thats a legit way to go about this... BEFORE something happened. Not after.... if things already happened, you need to set consequences. If you dont want consequences, dont go down those paths.
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Imo, I feel that shouldn't be the focus anyway, since those will never be happy, I am talking about salvaging characters for the rest of us. Like this Vicky isn't a selfish hypocritical asshole and the sister bipolar in 100% of scenarios, just depended on how much effort you put into those relationships.
- Nov 14, 2017
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well they wouldn't mind mc staying in sb but doubt they would get serious with him.
who's riona?
- Oct 24, 2018
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heard about it but not on playlist.From Being a DIK, I assumed since you have 3 trillion posts and seems to live on this forum, you might know about one of the biggest games on the site
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I don't think he is "official" either. The Discord itself isn't even official. The same thing happened during the DMD stuff. He and the other mods/admins basically attack anyone who aren't "right" about whatever drama the developers created.
The other thing is Hypserver does the exact same things towards others he is talking about on Discord. Many of his reviews and posts I've saw are quite negative towards the game/dev. And complaining about pirates while also being a pirate....
Also, isn't this what happened in this game?
The other thing is Hypserver does the exact same things towards others he is talking about on Discord. Many of his reviews and posts I've saw are quite negative towards the game/dev. And complaining about pirates while also being a pirate....
Also, isn't this what happened in this game?
No accountability whatsoever, that's what it is.
Bad writing, but it's OUR fault for “not understanding” I guess LOL.
That's not how it works, you write, and we react to wtf you wrote.
If you failed to get us to “understand” than that's not our fault, it's the
lack of ability of coherent writing, and YOUR FAULT.
How the twins were written and the vic and sister shit, was just BAD and was handled TERRIBLY and the PR guy isn't making it any better. Maybe it is time for Mr. Dots to get someone else because if he's going for damage control, it looks like he's done a pretty shit job at it.
You already got people mad, But his attitude and smugness isn't making it any better. And it's quite funny for someone who claims he doesn't care about us over here, Dude surely spends a lot of time on here doing damage control, and bad PR.
Pack him up.