VN Ren'Py Completed Sunshine Love [Ch. 3 v1.01i Extras] [MrDots Games]

[NebulousShooter]

since when lily and ivy have been upgraded from casual fucks to lis?

(Allegedly)They made the twins continue as a package to consolidate endings, doesn't matter how you label them, if an ending on their path is in the works, people have the right to be pissed about investing in these characters. I don't know why you keep pretending you don't see the issue.

I already posted earlier about a perfect setup for an escort background, with Riona, MC and players know what she does before pursuing her, they don't wake up in ep7 finding out about it. Can you say the same about the twins? Did you figure it out what they were doing in early episodes when you start their path? Obviously not.

 

[Name356]

Shit, I fucked the shit out of both twins, don't care about their side job, I just wish I could have came inside one of them without them getting annoyed. And it's not NTR or cheating when it's just a casual/open relationship or fuck buddies. Just as in real life, in that situation the girl is free to fuck who she wants as much as the guy is. Do you really think when taking a girl on a 1st (or even 10th) date you're the only one she's dating and maybe even fucking? If so you're pretty damned naive.

This is not real life, this is a f*cking videogame. There are big differences. In real life, usually siblings or even step-siblings don't hit on each others, for example. Rules of real life doesn't apply in videogames. Videogames are fantasy: you play to win Formula 1 world championship, kill a thousand of nazis and be the hero of your platoon, or save the galaxy from the Reapers, and that makes you feel somehow good, even if it's not real. You are not going to do any of that in real life.

Porn videogames are a fantasy too: you play to get all the girls you want, and/or find true love. Most people don't want to be cheated in their own fantasy or being pushed aside by the girls they like, because suddenly they discover that they are "bi" and like each other. NTR in games is simple: a situation to provoke jealousy in the player. And two of the Lis suddenly having sex with each other like if MC didn't exists, is something that can provoke jealousy. Some people like that, is a fetish. But most people don't like that at all. It's like playing Call of Duty with a character that instead of saving the day, is a coward or clumsy guy that screw things up. Also, most of the people don't find attractive that a Li is a prostitute. If it's a really good character, maybe she can be attractive in spite of being a prostitute, but it's the exception of the rule.

But if the player actually doesn't care about characters and plot, and only wants it to fap with rendered sex scenes, nothing of that applies, of course.

 

[CamaroFan432]

Porn videogames are a fantasy too: you play to get all the girls you want, and/or find true love. Most people don't want to be cheated in their own fantasy or being pushed aside by the girls they like, because suddenly they discover that they are "bi" and like each other. NTR in games is simple: a situation to provoke jealousy in the player. And two of the Lis suddenly having sex with each other like if MC didn't exists, is something that can provoke jealousy. Some people like that, is a fetish. But most people don't like that at all. It's like playing Call of Duty with a character that instead of saving the day, is a coward or clumsy guy that screw things up. Also, most of the people don't find attractive that a Li is a prostitute. If it's a really good character, maybe she can be attractive in spite of being a prostitute, but it's the exception of the rule.

I agree. And I want to add, if either Vic or the sis would've been a dude, nobody would've tried to defend the game, everybody would've said it's a type certain content. But because they're both females, it's magically okay, that they hook up, because "lesbian sex is hot and every guy out on the planet agrees to that". Now I suprise some people out there: not everybody likes lesbian content and some fetishes apply regardless of the gender. So forcing this lesbian content on the players invoke the same feelings, that the same scene would invoke if you switch the gender of one of the two. And them plotting behind the back of the MC is also dumb. I get, they're are jealous, but they knew from the beginning, that they're not the only one, that there is at least Nicole. It's only natural that people start to call you out, if you come with these "plot twists" close to the end, just because of drama or whatever.

 

[Fastbuck]

thank god I ended it with the twins earlier so they are prostitutes so I'm guessing the girl's for the father's Friday fun comes from them and they know what they father is doing behind they mom's back?
Cash before family I guess
At the end of summer the mc get a invoice (for those who still on the twin path) for they service and he leaves Sunshine Bay broke

 

[artofwar]

It's just the writing which has been adjusted because people understood things the wrong way.
For example:
escort service is NOT an expensive whore service which serves every customer
or
2 girls spontanously having fun isn't "going full lesbian" out of sudden
or
why is there no chance to avoid the lesbian scene? (which will be there now)

>It's just the writing which has been adjusted because people understood things the wrong way.
Because people didn't like the way 'we' wrote it you mean. Nobody 'understood things the wrong way' - we understood things perfectly, this is on you guys.

>escort service is NOT an expensive whore service which serves every customer
That's *exactly* what an escort is my guy, pull your head out of your ass. It's up to the customer to decide what role the escort plays, sometimes that's a dinner date - others it's just having sex in a hotel room. Just like any old prostitute they can decline to take on a customer, they aren't anything special. Fuck me you've romanticized what an escort is.

>2 girls spontanously having fun isn't "going full lesbian" out of sudden
Just... are you dumb?

We don't change a story just because some over here might want it that way, but of course we might see some points where we made things not that obvious to players as they are for us. As always MrDots creates his games like HE wants them to be - maybe he listens to what people on Patreon or Subscribestar tell him in private or public messages, as THEY pay his bills. But he couldn't care less what's written over here. So you should not think that it was YOU who made him change things. In fact, nothing really changed, it's just written in a "better" and more obvious way and mostly the update will be a fix for major bugs which were detected on certain paths (thanks again @Sancho1969 and some others for reporting bugs)

OK, why are you in here justifying yourself then? I remember you the last time shit hit the fan whining about everyone and in general making things much worse for the devs. I don't know what your role is but if it is pissing people off and driving away current and potential subscribers and patrons then you're doing a good job.

 

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May 07, 2023 07:41 pm
Sunshine Love CH2 v.0.06.1 Extras Included

All the best, stay safe, and we hope you are looking forward to the continuation of “Sunshine Love”!

MrDots

Lesbian NTR out of the blue, but... hey, avoidable because you can take control for a moment of one of the Lis

And two of the characters, out of the blue too, are prostitutes, but... hey, now with a sad backstory



Congratulations, MrDots. You have made a game I don't want to play even for free.

 

[NebulousShooter]

Now you can decide on the bisexuality of another character, thats not very progressive from Mr Dots

 

[Amedore]

Now you can decide on the bisexuality of another character, thats not very progressive from Mr Dots

A lesbian wedding just because, making a bunch of priests the villains of the game, and the MC being a soy-boy that couldn't grow a pair even if his life depended on it, is not woke enough for you?

 

[NebulousShooter]

I can't resist not dropping this here. Random discord people fixing the game in 5 minutes.
Add a 'Skip Showing the Scene' button, for those that absolutely hate lesbian sex and you are golden, instead of the player deciding how NPCs act

 

[Hahn1900]

puh... sunshine love was one of my favorites, but MrDots starts to ruin the whole game with each update more and more... And its yet again the same thing with DmD, you can see that they dont have a plan to go about the game on long term.

Melody was obviously an exception. The overall plan from start to end worked perfectly there. And each and every character and ending made complete sense.

Sunshine love is starting to get a real mess. The whole victoria and sis mess doesnt make any sense at all. And to make a kinda "hotfix" to avoid the NTR hate (that was obvious that it will come) we will get a choice here... which doesnt make sense either, so if sis rejects Vic, Vic breaks up with MC... of course... what?

Fuck this... you should go about it just like in Melody... screw around, get caught, you are done... if people cant deal with it, so be it, but its the only way that makes sense. OR write those characters in a way they like sharing in the first place... but its not done so here. Nearly every single girl wants a faithful lover (especially victoria, not so much sis, she hinted you can fuck around), and doesnt make a secret out of this. You cant come up with something like this shit only cause you pissed off players. And than add a option that is halfdone to avoid those things afterwards... it does not work like that, the personalties in sunshine love is a weakspot of the game already, but like this... its completly gone, like this you could easily just make a choice at the start of the game and ask the player "hey do you want that everyone bangs everyone, or do you want faithful routes only?" and you dont have to bother with personalties anymore... its obvious that since making the game Melody MrDots doesnt have a clue anymore how to make personalities in characters and stick with them... to me its obvious that the writers of Melody are not the same in DmD and sunshine love...

MrDots already give control about nearly every character in DmD along the road, and scratched every personalitiy out of it, choices and character development didnt mean anything anymore, that was really bad development the longer the game went... and now its the same all over again with sunshine love. Just everything to avoid "consequences" Then dont start the game like you started it...

In Melody it was clear... if you cheat on her, (or cheat on every other girl) you are fucked... only exception, if you were open about it in the first place that you like sophia too and Melody has something going on with her, you get a threesome alonng the road, but not really a full on "love route" The players get a chance to avoid the lesbian thing in the first place BEFORE anything happened between MC and sophia. Thats a legit way to go about this... BEFORE something happened. Not after.... if things already happened, you need to set consequences. If you dont want consequences, dont go down those paths.

 

[NebulousShooter]

People that hate NTR aren't going to be satisfied with a skip button, they don't want it to happen at all. I've played a few games that have "throuple" relationships and the good ones always have the MC either encouraging it or them already being together before the MC came along and him joining their relationship. Having the girls fuck behind the MC's back is a shitty way to set it up.

Imo, I feel that shouldn't be the focus anyway, since those will never be happy, I am talking about salvaging characters for the rest of us. Like this Vicky isn't a selfish hypocritical asshole and the sister bipolar in 100% of scenarios, just depended on how much effort you put into those relationships.

 

[cxx]

(Allegedly)They made the twins continue as a package to consolidate endings, doesn't matter how you label them, if an ending on their path is in the works, people have the right to be pissed about investing in these characters. I don't know why you keep pretending you don't see the issue.

I already posted earlier about a perfect setup for an escort background, with Riona, MC and players know what she does before pursuing her, they don't wake up in ep7 finding out about it. Can you say the same about the twins? Did you figure it out what they were doing in early episodes when you start their path? Obviously not.

well they wouldn't mind mc staying in sb but doubt they would get serious with him.

who's riona?

 

[NebulousShooter]

well they wouldn't mind mc staying in sb but doubt they would get serious with him.

who's riona?

From Being a DIK, I assumed since you have 3 trillion posts and seems to live on this forum, you might know about one of the biggest games on the site

 

[cxx]

From Being a DIK, I assumed since you have 3 trillion posts and seems to live on this forum, you might know about one of the biggest games on the site

heard about it but not on playlist.

 

[jamdan]

I don't think he is "official" either. The Discord itself isn't even official. The same thing happened during the DMD stuff. He and the other mods/admins basically attack anyone who aren't "right" about whatever drama the developers created.

The other thing is Hypserver does the exact same things towards others he is talking about on Discord. Many of his reviews and posts I've saw are quite negative towards the game/dev. And complaining about pirates while also being a pirate....

Also, isn't this what happened in this game?

NTR tag missing - she fucks you behind your back and you haven't agreed to.

 

[Deleted member 4865569]

That kind of smug arrogance is the reason their Patreon and SubscribeStar numbers are dropping...
If that were my PR person I'd fire him...

No accountability whatsoever, that's what it is.

Bad writing, but it's OUR fault for “not understanding” I guess LOL.
That's not how it works, you write, and we react to wtf you wrote.

If you failed to get us to “understand” than that's not our fault, it's the
lack of ability of coherent writing, and YOUR FAULT.

How the twins were written and the vic and sister shit, was just BAD and was handled TERRIBLY and the PR guy isn't making it any better. Maybe it is time for Mr. Dots to get someone else because if he's going for damage control, it looks like he's done a pretty shit job at it.

You already got people mad, But his attitude and smugness isn't making it any better. And it's quite funny for someone who claims he doesn't care about us over here, Dude surely spends a lot of time on here doing damage control, and bad PR.

Pack him up.

 

[Hyperserver]

I understand you're basically a PR person.

1.) never said that i am "PR" person for anyone.
2.) as "officials" we are ordered best to ingore all comments over here on F95 at all by MrDots. He doesn't even want us to give him feedback from F95.
3.) As private persons (of course still with insight), we are of course over here on F95 like all the others.
4.) All intel we provided, we did on our own will so far, as long as we don't give away too much about future releases.
5.) In the end MrDots seems to be right, that it might be for the better, to just ignore the threads of our games at all.
6.) No matter what we will do or not do - the same people will complain anyways about everything - like they do since years. We just get used to it.

Seems you guys just lost the last way to maybe have a slight impact on the game at all quite right now - congrats
You now can go full rant about everything you want. We will not feature nor provide any intel anymore.
So far you got me done. I am tired to fight against windmills and stop to believe that over here may be people who are able to reason with.
Once more, we are shown, how wasted every minute will be, which we spent in even considering to reply or answer over here.
So far, i stop my support for intel, removed the patches for patreon, and also i probably will not take part in any conversations over here anymore.
Yes, believe it or not, i even consider to put this thead on ignore to give you the place to rant as much as you want like nobody cares - so have fun.

 

[Saraf]

Went through the rewrite and credit where credit is due,its better.
The Twins twist is still a really questionable decision and leads to a tonal gulf(that is in fact even deeper now)but at least it reads somewhat consistent(for the most part).
I dont buy for a second that this is how it was always planned and people merely misunderstood but thats more a fuckup of their PR machine than anything.

Twins
-now a clear timeline of being pimped out by their father,against their will through contract loophole
-completely changes dialogue from empowerment to victimhood angle
-knowingly employ brainwashed girls with the excuse of telling them about the job,seemingly dont understand what brainwashing means or placate themselves with the excuse of telling them what the job entails being enough
-would give up business to save sister but not innocent brainwashed girls
-pre coitus scene rather suddenly inserts a declaration they dont actively participate anymore when prior dialogue makes it sound like they still do,assumedly supposed to indicate that only their stable does the work now but is inserted really poorly,should be placed much earlier in the discussion to not feel so forced and maintain the desired effect(as well as make the whole thing go over easier for people who are interested in the LIs but not fond of the self-prostitution angle)
-post coitus scene is unchanged,still has them saying they dont want to give up the escort service(despite now being forced into it)in a really upbeat manner,clashes with the victimhood narrative resulting in it not really lining up,needs a touch up(also kill dumbass MC´s pimping line,that joke is completely out of place considering the changed angle)

We will see how the future goes.
Overall the whole scene still could use some more polishing and Im not quite sure how one would redeem the twins from the knowing employment of brainwashed young girls.
Victimhood sympathy points only really hold till the person in question becomes a perpetrator themselves.


Sis/Vicky
Pretty decent rewrite all things considered,putting the relationship talk in the forefront was the most workable solution.
Bisexuality and attraction still rather comes out of left field,especially for Sis and should have been hinted at starting far earlier in the narrative but overall its fine,circumvented the cheating angle well enough.

 

[Chimba]

As mentioned above, we have added an option where you can “Accept” or “Reject” Victoria’s advances when she is sitting on her sofa with Sis in her home.

Choosing to “Reject” her advances will eventually close the Vicky path, but not until later in Week 11.

tf is this shit? choice with another character?
so practically the player decides if they cheat on the mc or not and if any player is not interested in lesbian they lose the threesome and even close the path with a LI... hilarious another dev who thinks that for a threesome the LI should be bisexual and forces the player with X content to get X content.