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Hyperserver

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Ah, I see. Makes sense.
What about the models though? I hope it's not a trade secret.
BTW: other devs actually have the same experience and are now way more cherrypicking
see: (creator if "the inn")
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Anteron

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Patreon really sucks. I've heard there's a good chance they stop allowing ANY adult content. Would be a disaster for the AVN community. There'd need to be a new way then. Of course that would be a large chunk of their income, too.
 

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Patreon really sucks. I've heard there's a good chance they stop allowing ANY adult content. Would be a disaster for the AVN community. There'd need to be a new way then. Of course that would be a large chunk of their income, too.
devs already leaving patreon and move to Subscribestar.
The ONLY benefit of patreon left is, that they accept PayPal whilst SS only accepting CC
(though PayPal actually IS the problem on patreon afaik - as they force Patreon to ban such content)

If it wasn't for PayPal being the only way some subscribers want to pay with, we would have already closed our Patreon page at all tbh.
 

Mr. Chatty

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devs already leaving patreon and move to Subscribestar.
The ONLY benefit of patreon left is, that they accept PayPal whilst SS only accepting CC
(though PayPal actually IS the problem on patreon afaik - as they force Patreon to ban such content)

If it wasn't for PayPal being the only way some subscribers want to pay with, we would have already closed our Patreon page at all tbh.
its 2024, does people don't have any clue about virtual cc or they aren't safe?
 

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its 2024, does people don't have any clue about virtual cc or they aren't safe?
maybe people just want to stay anonymous and not store their whole personal data (like adress). Also CC can easy be abused, as you only need the CC number and control number in some places to do transactions. I have 2 CC (one real and one virtual), but i use neither of them online. So - yes - people avoid CC online, me inclussive
 

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maybe people just want to stay anonymous and not store their whole personal data (like adress). Also CC can easy be abused, as you only need the CC number and control number in some places to do transactions. I have 2 CC (one real and one virtual), but i use neither of them online. So - yes - people avoid CC online, me inclussive
i mean if you are smart enough, there ought to be ways to stay anonymous while subscribing on subscribestar
 

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again like i said you just have to be smart enough
really smart people just ignore shops where you are forced to use CC only - that's the problem.
It's not like there is only one shop and one creator - many many other games out there.
People don't want to study IT just to be able to "secure" their purchase for an adult VN.
ANd not everyone is "new generation" and knows how to fake ID and VPN.
Fact is, CC is same bullcrap as virtual currency like BC
 
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Mr. Chatty

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really smart people just ignore shops where you are forced to use CC only - that's the problem.
It's not like there is only one shop and one creator - many many other games out there.
People don't want to study IT just to be able to "secure" their purchase for an adult VN.
ANd not everyone is "new generation" and knows how to fake ID and VPN.
Fact is, CC is same bullcrap as virtual currency like BC
lol being stuck with the ordinary belief isn't anything smart.

you don't believe everyone who's supporting you on ss is STRAIGHT UP using their cc to subscribe? Risking their identity and credentials?
 

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lol being stuck with the ordinary belief isn't anything smart.

you don't believe everyone who's supporting you on ss is STRAIGHT UP using their cc to subscribe? Risking their identity and credentials?
i never said that - also i never said that we are 100% happy with SS. I just said that for now, SS is the best alternative for patreon (except billing issues) regarding ToS and handling content.

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But aside that all, we are wayyyyyyyyyy out off-topic for this thread
We should stop before moderation deletes and maybe even closes the thread
 

cxx

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many devs share content at f95 too so wonder if patreon wants to get it's tendrils to here too and there are fan art threads of questionable content.
 

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many devs share content at f95 too so wonder if patreon wants to get it's tendrils to here too and there are fan art threads of questionable content.
i guess it's a difference between Devs sharing their content actively, or player uploading pirated stuff which a dev can't control. Btw this is one more reason why Dots isn't over here at all
 
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cxx

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i guess it's a difference between Devs sharing their content actively, or player uploading pirated stuff which a dev can't control. Btw this is one more reason why Dots isn't over here at all
right. devs can't control 3rd party patches either but still they got under review.

still f95-users get very creative on fan art threads and that's next potential risk.
 

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I hope MrDots team will work on sharing or NTR to add spice to his new games. It can be optional if some people don't want it though
100% we will NOT do that
No matter how often people will ask, does not make MrDots chage his mind - he HATES NTR and he will never do NTR game.
Even sharing is off-table after the last hickus around DMD.
 

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I hope MrDots team will work on sharing or NTR to add spice to his new games. It can be optional if some people don't want it though
I dont get I why it should be totally ok to ask tines of times for NTR in Non-NTR games, while even the question if NTR is avoidable seems to be an unholy sacrilege for the same people...
 
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