VN Ren'Py Completed Sunshine Love [Ch. 3 v1.01i Extras] [MrDots Games]

[ffive]

And next MC will have WAYYYYYYY less inner monologues though

But how many advertising leaflets about knives will he quote?

 

[Anteron]

I hated the ending, but never cheated the numbers and deleted after, which was before the newer one was put out. At least MC wasn't alone - he wound up with Connie. She was cute, but there were better choices.

 

[ThorinKing]

We all agree that MC is a spineless douchebag .....
I promise that MC in next game is a different kind who knows exacrly what he wants.
And next MC will have WAYYYYYYY less inner monologues though

So just mindless fucking in the next one? That should appeal to most folks here that are only around for the fapping. Will you be dropping the "N" and just call it an AV loop?

 

[Uthuriel]

So just mindless fucking in the next one? That should appeal to most folks here that are only around for the fapping. Will you be dropping the "N" and just call it an AV loop?

That's not what he said though...
Not sure why you think that a MC that knows what he wants with less unnecessary inner monologue equates to "mindless fuckfest".

 

[Hyperserver]

So just mindless fucking in the next one? That should appeal to most folks here that are only around for the fapping. Will you be dropping the "N" and just call it an AV loop?

nope - you should know us better. We don't do "just fucking games".
A more confident MC with spine has nothing to do with "just fucking around"

 

[MAGO-DAG]

OMG, what did I read here, it’s been a long time since I came into this thread...

While people Mc is judging everything, I noticed something, and I just want to turn to Mc future for fun... Dude, I wish you knew what to expect with this beauty!

Spoiler: You are arguing with a woman that you will have quite good.... ahem...

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[ThorinKing]

nope - you should know us better. We don't do "just fucking games".
A more confident MC with spine has nothing to do with "just fucking around"

This guy might have gone on a little too far at times, but you can't have a realistic MC without a little introspection, unless what you're going for is a simpleton manwhore or a sociopath. I've tried VNs with both of those types, and abandoned them within a couple of releases. With all the commentary I've seen on all the threads I follow, I know we have scads of fans for both of those, but I think those are on the extremes, not necessarily the sweet spot.

 

[Hyperserver]

This guy might have gone on a little too far at times, but you can't have a realistic MC without a little introspection, unless what you're going for is a simpleton manwhore or a sociopath. I've tried VNs with both of those types, and abandoned them within a couple of releases. With all the commentary I've seen on all the threads I follow, I know we have scads of fans for both of those, but I think those are on the extremes, not necessarily the sweet spot.

i didn't say the next MC is completely out of thoughts or a psychopath.
But what we did wrong in SL and what we want to change in next game is situations like:
MC (thinking):
Oh, she has a stunning body. Maybe i should spy on her. But it's not normal to spy on your sister. I shouldn't do that - she might catch me.
1.) peep on her nevertheless
2.) go away
....
There is no need to have such inner monologue. The player is the one leading MC's choices. So the player should be the one having such thoughts. We shouldn't tell the player what he/she has to think. It's more immersive when players make their own thoughts about what to do and why to do and maybe even feel the consequences.
It just would be weird to script "second thoughts" or even "morality" and let the player act the opposite way. Same goes other way around. If we would make the player having thoughts like a douchebag, the player will be upset too (see for example the flight at the end of SL).
We want the player to be more free in his own thoughts and being able to act that way he wants to play based on his own morality, and not based on a scripted one.

This has been the main "issue" i managed to convince MrDots to change about the games. And he liked my point of view. That's the reason i was called into the core team to develop the story arcs. Also my job is to "proofread" the scenes once they are written by Hearsz and change/tweak scenes where they "fall back into old habbits".
As the first release scenes are already written, i can assure you, that the mentionned "issues" are "solved" in "Thief of Hearts". It will be again a game with a main story arc like a novel, and not just a senseless fuck feast. Also this time there will be a dedicated possible full harem ending right from the start (on players choice).
(Sidenote: one of the main Sidegirls (we get to see her in first update for a short scene already) , having massive impact on the story the one way or the other, has been more or less my doing. She is exactly as i wanted her to be - by character, background story and her looks.)

 

[GetOutOfMyLab]

There is no need to have such inner monologue.

Especially when it goes on for an entire scene.

My rule of thumb is if internal monologue goes beyond 4-5 lines, it's way too much... and even 5 is pushing it.

 

[Hyperserver]

Especially when it goes on for an entire scene.

My rule of thumb is if internal monologue goes beyond 4-5 lines, it's way too much... and even 5 is pushing it.

actually even more than 2 lines is too much (few exceptions - for example if MC has to be quiet because there are others around him). Some scenes aren't going to work without inner monologue. But it will be a HUGE difference compared to the previous games.

 

[GetOutOfMyLab]

actually even more than 2 lines is too much (few exceptions - for example if MC has to be quiet because there are others around him). Some scenes aren't going to work without inner monologue. But it will be a HUGE difference compared to the previous games.

I don't disagree... 4-5 is on the high end because I wanted to be nice.

Will Dots team be dialing back the use of "Hmmm..." as well?

 

[Hyperserver]

I don't disagree... 4-5 is on the high end because I wanted to be nice.

Will Dots team be dialing back the use of "Hmmm..." as well?

Hmmm ... i guess not (kidding - not sure for now - it may still be used here and there)
But as far for "hmmm..." used as intro to inner monologue, it will be less used, because inner monologues will be less overall.

 

[FatGiant]

Hmmm ... i guess not (kidding - not sure for now - it may still be used here and there)

Hmmmm

Peace

 

[ThorinKing]

i didn't say the next MC is completely out of thoughts or a psychopath.
But what we did wrong in SL and what we want to change in next game is situations like:
MC (thinking):
Oh, she has a stunning body. Maybe i should spy on her. But it's not normal to spy on your sister. I shouldn't do that - she might catch me.
1.) peep on her nevertheless
2.) go away
....
There is no need to have such inner monologue.

I think your example isn't the best - that level of introspection seems appropriate. Multiple pages ad infinitum would be problematic, but fewer than 30 words when you're deciding to broach a societal taboo isn't so bad. In your brain, that introspection would likely be a bit more abbreviated, but abstract concepts and thoughts take a word or two when written out. That introspective moment would still likely happen for the overwhelming majority of humans, so spelling it out like that seems appropriate, though I could edit it to fewer words and still get the same concept across, thus:

Oh, she's stunning! Should I look? Is it normal to spy on your sister? Maybe I shouldn't - what if she catches me?​

That's also much better "thought" and "conversational" English. I think the issue that was seen in SL was that language was often too formal and thus too verbose - not enough contractions and verbal shortcuts. For someone like Svetlana, whose first language isn't English, that would be more appropriate, but not for a the overwhelming majority of most native speakers with normally functioning brains. The concept of the inner dialogue wasn't really the problem for the most part - it was the execution and the verbosity of the language used.

If you don't shape the nature of the character at all for fear that the player will feel judged, then the character really has no "character" and it would seem that the story becomes nothing more than a flirting/dating/screwing app. If you leave out inner dialogue altogether, that would leave much of the world you're creating uncrafted and bland. Then again, I'm a thoughtful and decent guy with self control - others' mileage may vary.

Really just trying to give you some feedback that might help you write a more successful dialogue. It seems you may be trying to use an axe when a scalpel might be more appropriate.

 

[ffive]

My personal annoyance with the internal monologues in this game wasn't the existence of them, but: #1 that they'd repeat the same sentiments ad nauseum (there's only so many ways one can wring hands over the prospect of sexual contact with their sister or any other woman for this matter before it gets really tedious) and #2 there were instances where MC would do complete 180 in his thoughts in less than 3 sentences, or apparently completely forgot what he was thinking about just a moment ago.

Those were main culprits in making the dude appear like an idiot, and there's nothing entertaining in playing a dumb as rock MC when it's not voluntary but forced on you by the game.

 

[Bloodguard]

There is no need to have such inner monologue. The player is the one leading MC's choices. So the player should be the one having such thoughts. We shouldn't tell the player what he/she has to think. It's more immersive when players make their own thoughts about what to do and why to do and maybe even feel the consequences.
It just would be weird to script "second thoughts" or even "morality" and let the player act the opposite way. Same goes other way around. If we would make the player having thoughts like a douchebag, the player will be upset too (see for example the flight at the end of SL).

This is spot on what bothers me most about the MCs inner monologue in this game.
He passes moral judgement on himself constantly for being a pervert and a lying cheater, but does nothing to correct this behavior. Makes him look mentally weak and spineless for hating himself so much, but still acting the same.
I don't mind some introspection, or insight into the MCs mind, as long as it helps progress the story, or illuminates his character, but could do without the moral judgement and self-loathing.

 

[Ottoeight]

So, I'm failing to grasp why I'm not able to unlock Sis + Shortcake ending.

According to the walkthrough:

- You need to have 325 Sis points or more by the end of Week 12 - CHECK !
- Choose your “Sis” when the options come up - CHECK !
- You must be in a relationship with Cousin by the end of Week 12 - CHECK !
- You must NOT be in a relationship with Ashley or Jazmin by the end of Week 12 - CHECK !
- You must NOT be in an Open Relationship with Nicole - CHECK !
- This combination is available on the Good ending only - CHECK !

Moreover, I have 325 Shortcake points and I've already unlocked her solo ending.

So, what the hell is wrong?

if I choose Sis and I am in a relationship with both of them, but Shortcake points are less than 325 I GET Sis solo ending!

if I choose Sis and I am in a relationship with both of them, and Shortcake points are more than 325 I STILL GET Sis solo ending!

if I choose Shortcake and I am in a relationship with both of them, I GET Shortcake solo ending!

 

[SolarWindCatcher]

it is possible - depending on your previous choices

see here: All endings - and how to get them

in Shortcake's case:
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So if SolarWindCatcher gave her 300 points, and he didn't get the ending, then it's just becasue she needs 325 points
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EDIT:
Also we don't know which version he played. There has been a re-upload from MrDots with changed requested values. I guess the version in OP is still the "old" final version.

Thank you for explanation. And you just confirmed my earlier statement that dev expects players to read guides/walkthroughs I usually play without any guides just using common sense and that's why i "attacked" the game/dev. I played this game from first chapter, trying to get as much rel point with every girl as possible except "stepsister" because i didn't want to get ending with her. I was focusing on Shortcake, so i got like 299 points with her and that was biggest points values among all girl so i was expecting that i'll get ending with her. But game decided that i will get ending with Connie that had like 60 points... At second attempt i started from ch3 and just set 300 point with SC manually and end up with noone. Now i know that SC ending has additional conditions and it has more sense now.

 

[Hyperserver]

So, I'm failing to grasp why I'm not able to unlock Sis + Shortcake ending.

According to the walkthrough:

- You need to have 325 Sis points or more by the end of Week 12 - CHECK !
- Choose your “Sis” when the options come up - CHECK !
- You must be in a relationship with Cousin by the end of Week 12 - CHECK !
- You must NOT be in a relationship with Ashley or Jazmin by the end of Week 12 - CHECK !
- You must NOT be in an Open Relationship with Nicole - CHECK !
- This combination is available on the Good ending only - CHECK !

Moreover, I have 325 Shortcake points and I've already unlocked her solo ending.

So, what the hell is wrong?

if I choose Sis and I am in a relationship with both of them, but Shortcake points are less than 325 I GET Sis solo ending!

if I choose Sis and I am in a relationship with both of them, and Shortcake points are more than 325 I STILL GET Sis solo ending!

if I choose Shortcake and I am in a relationship with both of them, I GET Shortcake solo ending!

i don't know.
Maybe you are playing the first version of the game. There were issues with sis paths and these are already patched. Be sure you got the newest version available on our official site.
Yopu are of course entitled to use a pirated version over here for free - but then there is no guarantee that you got the most recently updated version though.

At least on discord there never has been reported issues about sister paths and endings after the last version been released.
Even there were lots of comments about all the paths, including sis paths. So it IS possible to get these. Something has to be wrong on your end.

 

[Ottoeight]

i don't know.
Maybe you are playing the first version of the game. There were issues with sis paths and these are already patched. Be sure you got the newest version available on our official site.
Yopu are of course entitled to use a pirated version over here for free - but then there is no guarantee that you got the most recently updated version though.

At least on discord there never has been reported issues about sister paths and endings after the last version been released.
Even there were lots of comments about all the paths, including sis paths. So it IS possible to get these. Something has to be wrong on your end.

I got it here. The OP tells it's Ch3 v1.01i extras, but the game's main screen tells it's Ch3 v1.00