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Just to be clear: I really enjoyed Melody, and I really enjoyed Sunshine Love. And I liked the Melody cameos in Sunshine Love
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IMHO Melody is still the best game they made by far.Just to be clear: I really enjoyed Melody, and I really enjoyed Sunshine Love. And I liked the Melody cameos in Sunshine Love
DMD up to CH2 is also quite decent.
Then a huge gap.
Then Sunshine Love.
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well it'd have same problem as incenton games had aka after 2nd game on their best known game series there will be no 3rd since it wouldn't be that interesting and they'd need to canonize either of main endings and this has like million endings.
I don't really see how..? MC could simply have option to stay and go to the girl of his choice (which would especially make sense if he's already broke up with Nicole) instead of getting into that stupid plane. This wouldn't affect endings where he does decide to get in the stupid plane to actually be with Nicole.
But how many advertising leaflets about knives will he quote?
I hated the ending, but never cheated the numbers and deleted after, which was before the newer one was put out. At least MC wasn't alone - he wound up with Connie. She was cute, but there were better choices.
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So just mindless fucking in the next one? That should appeal to most folks here that are only around for the fapping. Will you be dropping the "N" and just call it an AV loop?
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That's not what he said though...
Not sure why you think that a MC that knows what he wants with less unnecessary inner monologue equates to "mindless fuckfest".
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nope - you should know us better. We don't do "just fucking games".
A more confident MC with spine has nothing to do with "just fucking around"
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OMG, what did I read here, it’s been a long time since I came into this thread...
While people Mc is judging everything, I noticed something, and I just want to turn to Mc future for fun... Dude, I wish you knew what to expect with this beauty!
While people Mc is judging everything, I noticed something, and I just want to turn to Mc future for fun... Dude, I wish you knew what to expect with this beauty!
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This guy might have gone on a little too far at times, but you can't have a realistic MC without a little introspection, unless what you're going for is a simpleton manwhore or a sociopath. I've tried VNs with both of those types, and abandoned them within a couple of releases. With all the commentary I've seen on all the threads I follow, I know we have scads of fans for both of those, but I think those are on the extremes, not necessarily the sweet spot.
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i didn't say the next MC is completely out of thoughts or a psychopath.
But what we did wrong in SL and what we want to change in next game is situations like:
MC (thinking):
Oh, she has a stunning body. Maybe i should spy on her. But it's not normal to spy on your sister. I shouldn't do that - she might catch me.
1.) peep on her nevertheless
2.) go away
....
There is no need to have such inner monologue. The player is the one leading MC's choices. So the player should be the one having such thoughts. We shouldn't tell the player what he/she has to think. It's more immersive when players make their own thoughts about what to do and why to do and maybe even feel the consequences.
It just would be weird to script "second thoughts" or even "morality" and let the player act the opposite way. Same goes other way around. If we would make the player having thoughts like a douchebag, the player will be upset too (see for example the flight at the end of SL).
We want the player to be more free in his own thoughts and being able to act that way he wants to play based on his own morality, and not based on a scripted one.
This has been the main "issue" i managed to convince MrDots to change about the games. And he liked my point of view. That's the reason i was called into the core team to develop the story arcs. Also my job is to "proofread" the scenes once they are written by Hearsz and change/tweak scenes where they "fall back into old habbits".
As the first release scenes are already written, i can assure you, that the mentionned "issues" are "solved" in "Thief of Hearts". It will be again a game with a main story arc like a novel, and not just a senseless fuck feast. Also this time there will be a dedicated possible full harem ending right from the start (on players choice).
(Sidenote: one of the main Sidegirls (we get to see her in first update for a short scene already) , having massive impact on the story the one way or the other, has been more or less my doing. She is exactly as i wanted her to be - by character, background story and her looks.)
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Especially when it goes on for an entire scene.
My rule of thumb is if internal monologue goes beyond 4-5 lines, it's way too much... and even 5 is pushing it.
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actually even more than 2 lines is too much (few exceptions - for example if MC has to be quiet because there are others around him). Some scenes aren't going to work without inner monologue. But it will be a HUGE difference compared to the previous games.
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I don't disagree... 4-5 is on the high end because I wanted to be nice.
Will Dots team be dialing back the use of "Hmmm..." as well?
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Hmmm ... i guess notI don't disagree... 4-5 is on the high end because I wanted to be nice.
Will Dots team be dialing back the use of "Hmmm..." as well?
(kidding - not sure for now - it may still be used here and there)But as far for "hmmm..." used as intro to inner monologue, it will be less used, because inner monologues will be less overall.
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HmmmmHmmm ... i guess not
Peace
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I think your example isn't the best - that level of introspection seems appropriate. Multiple pages ad infinitum would be problematic, but fewer than 30 words when you're deciding to broach a societal taboo isn't so bad. In your brain, that introspection would likely be a bit more abbreviated, but abstract concepts and thoughts take a word or two when written out. That introspective moment would still likely happen for the overwhelming majority of humans, so spelling it out like that seems appropriate, though I could edit it to fewer words and still get the same concept across, thus:
Oh, she's stunning! Should I look? Is it normal to spy on your sister? Maybe I shouldn't - what if she catches me?
That's also much better "thought" and "conversational" English. I think the issue that was seen in SL was that language was often too formal and thus too verbose - not enough contractions and verbal shortcuts. For someone like Svetlana, whose first language isn't English, that would be more appropriate, but not for a the overwhelming majority of most native speakers with normally functioning brains. The concept of the inner dialogue wasn't really the problem for the most part - it was the execution and the verbosity of the language used.
If you don't shape the nature of the character at all for fear that the player will feel judged, then the character really has no "character" and it would seem that the story becomes nothing more than a flirting/dating/screwing app. If you leave out inner dialogue altogether, that would leave much of the world you're creating uncrafted and bland. Then again, I'm a thoughtful and decent guy with self control - others' mileage may vary.
Really just trying to give you some feedback that might help you write a more successful dialogue. It seems you may be trying to use an axe when a scalpel might be more appropriate.
My personal annoyance with the internal monologues in this game wasn't the existence of them, but: #1 that they'd repeat the same sentiments ad nauseum (there's only so many ways one can wring hands over the prospect of sexual contact with their sister or any other woman for this matter before it gets really tedious) and #2 there were instances where MC would do complete 180 in his thoughts in less than 3 sentences, or apparently completely forgot what he was thinking about just a moment ago.
Those were main culprits in making the dude appear like an idiot, and there's nothing entertaining in playing a dumb as rock MC when it's not voluntary but forced on you by the game.
Those were main culprits in making the dude appear like an idiot, and there's nothing entertaining in playing a dumb as rock MC when it's not voluntary but forced on you by the game.