Simpgor

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- Power scaling has an exponential factor.

Boobsize is bordeline the metaphysical manifestation of fate in this game. If you don't have huge knockers, you don't get to be in the main cast.
I agree that it's exponential after all I'm sure MC now (400-500) could easily beat a dozen MC/Kyle during the first party. Is there a level of power that causes you to fail the fight at the restaurant at the very start of the game? If you lose with less than 4 power for example and there are 4 guys it could make some sense that (at low levels) 1 power is 1 human but even then they had guns and were just random thugs which wouldn't be "average".

Boob size = fate?

Mia beating fate by being in main cast with reasonably sized booba? Sounds good to me!
 

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You're welcome :WeSmart:.
How the hell do they get their samples? Sign me up.
I'm willing to bet that they deduce this from bra sales.

I agree that it's exponential after all I'm sure MC now (400-500) could easily beat a dozen MC/Kyle during the first party. Is there a level of power that causes you to fail the fight at the restaurant at the very start of the game? If you lose with less than 4 power for example and there are 4 guys it could make some sense that (at low levels) 1 power is 1 human but even then they had guns and were just random thugs which wouldn't be "average".

Boob size = fate?

Mia beating fate by being in main cast with reasonably sized booba? Sounds good to me!
Is she really? She seems like a plot device to me. Be weary of named smallboobed girls, they aren't trustworthy. Lucy I'm looking at you.

Is it completed?
Nope, it's probably halfway.
 

harem.king

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Your view on the boob size is very skewed. When you want to judge boob size, you have to judge it based on reality, not based on porn. LOL

Do you realise that "average" boob size is B cup?? (It is B in EU measurements. In US measurements the average is somewhere between A and B.)

And this is how B cup looks like.
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Look at the picture and then look again on your "average" list of girls.
There is no way Clover, Devana and Zara are just "average". They are a way above average.
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reminds me of the hilarious scene where you ask that girl from SIN why her boobs are small.
 

lorkdubo

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Not really, I mean, there exists some very rough description of what it is, and we can get some more from context, but that's all.
My own observations is that
- Power is both the Pool and the Output.
- It's rare for a Superhuman to exhaust all his Power in a single action, unless he enters a power contest with a more powerful one.
- The first two levels are Power capped although I can't really tell if it's a soft or a hard cap. If I had to guess, Level 1 seems to be capped around 20. Level 2 is probably closer to 200, as we have 2 C Ranks with 170~ Power.
- Power scaling has an exponential factor. If the difference is small (let's say 14 Power vs 17 Power), the Superhumans are about equal. If the Power difference is huge, it's hard to put it in a function. For example a 1000 Power Superhuman should have an easy time dealing with 1000 Superhumans with 1 Power.

Boobsize is bordeline the metaphysical manifestation of fate in this game. If you don't have huge knockers, you don't get to be in the main cast.
Power doesn't mean much when there is an abstract feeling into the powers of superhumans. That, and also the quality jump from level 1 to level 2, and so on. The power is more akin to a mana pool and shouldn't have more meaning than that to be honest.
 

DrDerpington

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I'll help you understand it, don't worry.
Average means that you take a sample and find the number in the middle.

So if you have 10 characters with some arbitrary values that sum up to 80, the average is 8.
All characters that fall below this number, are below average.
All characters that fall above this numbers, are above average.

So if the average character in the game is let's say D cup, those with B caps are below average, those with E cups are above average.

Let's say that the minimum is 1, and the maximum is 12
A possible naming scheme is
Small: 1 to 3
Below Average: 4 to 6
Average: 7 to 9
Above Average: 10 to 11
Top: 12

Depending on the context and how the characters can be grouped, a different naming scheme can work.
In the post you quoted, the characters are grouped because their boob size is roughly equal.

So even if Clover is bigger than Devana, it doesn't make much sense to put her in a different group,
because the smallest of the next group is significantly bigger than her.



This is a different exercise to the previous one. You can attempt to define a Superhuman based on how many humans he would kill, or count how much force they can generate based on the average MMA fighter punch, or whatever.

The Superhuman average will still be thousand of times more than the average Human.

So if you try to make a tier list on how much weight Superhumans can bench, and the Human average is lets say 100kg, you can't possibly claim that those Superhumans who can lift up to 100kg are Average.

This is exactly what you did with the boob size.

So no, your premise is flawed beyond any reason. But no hard feelings.
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Gtdead

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I'll summarize
You are
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My other favorite girl is Ella.....trustworthiness is secondary :HideThePain:
You had to go there, didn't you? :ROFLMAO:
Tbh, I implicitly trust that she wants MC to get strong. She may end up feeding him to a god or something, but at least I can use the word "trust" in the same sentence. That's something!

Power doesn't mean much when there is an abstract feeling into the powers of superhumans. That, and also the quality jump from level 1 to level 2, and so on. The power is more akin to a mana pool and shouldn't have more meaning than that to be honest.
I think it has to be more nuanced than that. We focus a lot on the evolution levels etc because the story deals with MC's development. But when looking at the level 5s, particularly the captains, it's chaos.

And even among level 4s, the difference in power between characters is significant. Ella as a level 4 was capable of bitchslapping S Class monsters. Most of HERO level 4s aren't on that level. Clark and Alexis have been Superhumans for a longer time.

Is it about ability and skill? Perhaps at to a point, but neither explain Bernhardt..
 

Simpgor

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You had to go there, didn't you? :ROFLMAO:
Tbh, I implicitly trust that she wants MC to get strong. She may end up feeding him to a god or something, but at least I can use the word "trust" in the same sentence. That's something!
That's more than some people grant her so I'll take it :KEK:
I feel like she's more likely to want MC to eat god though but that might just be my "badass onee-sama trainer" fetish that the grisaia games started acting up
 

KingAgamemnon

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Tbh, I implicitly trust that she wants MC to get strong. She may end up feeding him to a god or something, but at least I can use the word "trust" in the same sentence. That's something!
You can trust in untrustworthy people so long as they are reliably untrustworthy. And I can definitely trust that Ella will try to fuck us over again. So there's no betrayal :D
 

lorkdubo

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I think it has to be more nuanced than that. We focus a lot on the evolution levels etc because the story deals with MC's development. But when looking at the level 5s, particularly the captains, it's chaos.

And even among level 4s, the difference in power between characters is significant. Ella as a level 4 was capable of bitchslapping S Class monsters. Most of HERO level 4s aren't on that level. Clark and Alexis have been Superhumans for a longer time.

Is it about ability and skill? Perhaps at to a point, but neither explain Bernhardt..
I don't mean that the power pool is obsolete, but akin to the development of your power in quality, there is also the scope of what you can do with the power pool you have. There was a novel or comic where the MC had the power of temperature control, where he had shit mana/power pool, but alongside his quality improvement, the more his mana/power pool, the more stuff he could do, like control the temperature of a person and kill them instantly, but he didn't need that much mana/power pool to do that. The biggest change came from a paradigm shift in how he viewed his "thrash" power.
Tiffany's power is busted, and it's not given the proper justice it deserves, to be honest.
 

Dipasimaan

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How the hell do they get their samples? Sign me up.
I'm willing to bet that they deduce this from bra sales.
If it's like this then the results are a bit flawed, not too much but enough to not be neglected, because there are many young girls that have yet to develop that buys bras.
Also there are many girls that buy a different cup than what they should exactly wear, don't ask me why but it's just like this
 

Simpgor

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Trust in her self interest
The only thing I can't get behind as her "self interest" is healing Mia. It doesn't make sense for her to keep her promise to a (potentially dead) failure like Jake and she would know that MC would be able to do it at some point because ella has always been more body than memory.

I think its plot reasons over her being nice to MC for once but I really don't see how her helping the MC out a few weeks before he could solve it himself fits with her MO
 

Gtdead

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I don't mean that the power pool is obsolete, but akin to the development of your power in quality, there is also the scope of what you can do with the power pool you have. There was a novel or comic where the MC had the power of temperature control, where he had shit mana/power pool, but alongside his quality improvement, the more his mana/power pool, the more stuff he could do, like control the temperature of a person and kill them instantly, but he didn't need that much mana/power pool to do that. The biggest change came from a paradigm shift in how he viewed his "thrash" power.
Tiffany's power is busted, and it's not given the proper justice it deserves, to be honest.
In this context it's a good parallel. After all Level 1 MC has a lot of trouble making small amounts of steel, but he could always create his jacket buttons without even thinking about it.

In any case, we need a theory that can explain the following.
1. Output
2. Efficiency
3. Pool and Replenishment
4. Interactions and Contests.
5. State and transformation.

Output is fairly simple. The more power you have, the more you can output.

Efficiency is a bit odd. We know that it exists as a concept, but it doesn't seem to be related to Power or training. Instead it's related to.. connection. The main theme behind Evolution Trances is that the Superhumans can output way more than they should due to efficiency.

Pool seems straightforward. The more power you have, the bigger your pool. How you gain back that energy though is a mystery. For example MC at some point says that as long as he fights low class monsters, he can keep up practically indefinitely. Then we have Alice who thanks to Clark's power she could replenish her power reserves to throw more bombs, but it was a trickle instead of being able to capitalize on the extreme power housed in her arm.

The Power contests are a nightmare. The obvious example here is Ella vs Duncan but there are more, like how could Jake affect Laurie so completely when they had the same Power. Also how the Jake vs MC fight played out, where MC claims that Jake's commands are efficient compared to his fighting style.

State and transformation have to do with the higher evolutions. How Power affects and strengthens the body or how Kira and Elijah could use their reserves to control their movement.

I'm certain that not all of those are attributed directly to Power and connection probably plays some role, along with the evolution level. The exact system though remains a mystery.

As for Tiffany, 100% agreed. She is indeed busted. I've been vocal about this.
 

Athmas

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Out of curiosity, What did you guys name the mc and the mc's superhero name?

I just named mine Deacon Killgrave cause it sounded edgy and his superhero name Blacklight (based from the virus in the prototype games)
Real name
and i called him King
 
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